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Audi A3 or VW Golf

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    #32
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    spiggotpaddy wrote: »
    just curios, what is the weak points on the twin cam?


    Numerous sensor failures,
    Prone to burning valves or wearing valve guides below 100k,
    Auxiliary belt tensioner failures,
    Common for the plastic timing belt guide rollers to fail,
    Coilpacks fail constantly(although thats a general VAG problem)
    Blocked egr valve pipes and crank breather pipes, especially is the have low mileage.


    Thats just the most common engines issues that come to mind....


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    #33
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    PaulKK wrote: »
    I agree, and i like most vag stuff. I would never buy a new run of the mill audi, i just dont think they are worth it when there are such viable alternatives in the other marques. Some of the higher end stuff however :D

    Absolutely, the likes of RS4's, RS6's etc(real ones that is:P) are a different kettle of fish, but they are specialist non mass market cars and have very little to do with the Audi's that 95% of people drive.

    Thats like saying that a fiat panda is comparable to a Ferrari enzo...sure they are made by the same company:P


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    #34
    freestyla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    PaulKK wrote: »
    I'd take a Highline Golf before a crap spec A3 anyday.
    I'd also definitely have a Highline Passat over a crap spec A4 too.

    As is often said, looks are subjective, but I definitely think the Passat is a nicer looking machine than the bland A4, the finish in my opinion is comparable.

    A good spec golf is much nicer looking than a boggo A3 too:

    VW_Golf_Mk_lg.jpg

    538739169-Audi_A3_1_6_Tdi.jpg

    +++++

    What comes to lower class Golf mk5 or mk6 makes more sense than new Audi.. design taste aside but I know that maintainance should be cheaper in overall (not sure in Ireland tho?)

    Audi upper classes A6 and A8 are the real Audis imo. Lower classes would always chose Golf, Skoda or even Seat.


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    #35
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    bbk wrote: »
    I don't see the sense in VAG having the exact same components fitted across their various makes and models. The same basic platform with different suspensiony bits as an example makes much more sense. Having said that being based on the same chassis would keep a fair chunk of similarity there between them.
    The sense is that it hugely reduces the costs of design, engineering, production and supply. They can design components once, make sure they work together properly, and use them across a range of cars. If they have to redisgn a component for each car, they then have to redesign the other components it works with and verify that they all work. They can bulk manufacture whatever bits they still make themselves, bulk order the ones they don't, with fewer far more efficient production lines, rather than having to support multiple smaller lines. They can distribute components between the different brands as needed, if one plant has a shortage and another has an oversupply they can move parts between them.

    I've had two Seats. Most of the components that aren't immediately visible had VW labels, many even had the revered 4 rings of Audi. When I had to replace a few bits and pieces I went to the scrapyard and pulled the exact bits required out of Skodas, VWs and Audis. When my Leon snapped it's timing belt and the engine ate itself, my mechanic pulled one out of a MkV Golf and slotted it right in.

    They are almost exactly the same cars.


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    #36
    [Deleted User]
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    freestyla wrote: »
    . Lower classes would always chose Golf, Skoda or even Seat.

    What ?


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    #37
    freestyla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭freestyla


    RoverJames wrote: »
    What ?

    my bad english.. I ment rather these cars than A3 or A4.


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    #38
    KilOit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭KilOit


    A3 is one of the best looking hatches imo but they are over priced and very similar to golfs under the bonnet but the a3 is a gorgeous build and feels really solid, have one myself and love it but don't get the 1.6 engine in either go for the TSI engines they're rockets.
    Can't go wrong with either car if you got the the spare cash get the a3 but if bit of a budget get the Golf, it just comes down to preference and expendable cash.


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    #39
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    KilOit wrote: »
    A3 is one of the best looking hatches imo but they are over priced and very similar to golfs under the bonnet but the a3 is a gorgeous build and feels really solid, have one myself and love it but don't get the 1.6 engine in either go for the TSI engines they're rockets.
    Can't go wrong with either car if you got the the spare cash get the a3 but if bit of a budget get the Golf, it just comes down to preference and expendable cash.

    I'm sorry but they are NOT a 'gorgeous build'.

    They feel expensively made inside, that is true, but they are actually no better made than their supposedly less premium stablemates.

    Silicone damped grab handles and soft feeling plastics do not make a car well built. Don't get me wrong, I like a nice interior as well, but there is a complete difference between an expensive feeling interior and a well made car.

    A few expensive plastics does not change the fact that they are prone to all the problems a VW Golf/Seat Leon/Skoda Octavia etc is prone to, such as a/c compressors, gearboxes (on certain engines, such as the 1.6), EPC etc.


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    #40
    coolbeans
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    KilOit wrote: »
    A3 is one of the best looking hatches imo but they are over priced and very similar to golfs under the bonnet but the a3 is a gorgeous build and feels really solid, have one myself and love it but don't get the 1.6 engine in either go for the TSI engines they're rockets.
    Can't go wrong with either car if you got the the spare cash get the a3 but if bit of a budget get the Golf, it just comes down to preference and expendable cash.

    Ah would ya go 'way. It's a frilly Golf. End of! If you're prepared to spend silly money on extra damping on tactile surfaces and the ego massage, in some circles at least, of the four rings that's your prerogative but don't go telling me that like for like an A3 is any better Golf where it actually matters.
    They're built the same and they're made of the same stuff. An A3 just costs more cos it's got a better image.

    Actually, technically the currrent A3 is a significantly worse car than the Golf for the simple reason that it's been around since the Flood. I've seen new A3s this year and I can only conclude that the owners were prepared to pay a SERIOUS premium for a badge as the rest of the car is so outdated compared to the Golf.

    A further observation; most A3 owners haven't a clue about cars. Not a clue.


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    #41
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    captainspeed wrote: »
    they are prone to all the problems a VW Golf/Seat Leon/Skoda Octavia etc is prone to, such as a/c compressors, gearboxes (on certain engines, such as the 1.6), EPC etc.


    Evens you are pulling the air con compressor bit from EPMs valuation thread :pac:


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    #42
    pajo1981
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    coolbeans wrote: »
    SERIOUS premium for a badge as the rest of the car is so outdated compared to the Golf.

    +1

    The A3s interior looks like something from 10 years ago- complete with battlestar galactica centre console.


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    #43
    KilOit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭KilOit


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Ah would ya go 'way. It's a frilly Golf. End of! If you're prepared to spend silly money on extra damping on tactile surfaces and the ego massage, in some circles at least, of the four rings that's your prerogative but don't go telling me that like for like an A3 is any better Golf where it actually matters.
    They're built the same and they're made of the same stuff. An A3 just costs more cos it's got a better image.

    Actually, technically the currrent A3 is a significantly worse car than the Golf for the simple reason that it's been around since the Flood. I've seen new A3s this year and I can only conclude that the owners were prepared to pay a SERIOUS premium for a badge as the rest of the car is so outdated compared to the Golf.

    A further observation; most A3 owners haven't a clue about cars. Not a clue.


    haha what are you ranting about, i basically said it's the same under the bonnet and any difference is purely cosmetic, imo the a3 is far far better looking car and interior is gorgeous to me, go re read it before you go on some fanboy rant again :rolleyes:


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    #44
    EPM
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    Evens you are pulling the air con compressor bit from EPMs valuation thread :pac:

    Lol


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    #45
    scico rocks
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    The A3 is gorgeous. The Golf is a Golf - boring!


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    #46
    sean1141
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    teednab-el wrote: »
    If 100 people were offered the choice of choosing between an Audi A3 or Golf? You would have a ratio of 70:30 going for the Audi.
    so why is there about 3 times as many golfs on the road as there are a3's?


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    #47
    EPM
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    scico rocks wrote: »
    The A3 is gorgeous. The Golf is a Golf - boring!

    Shiny badge alright...


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    #48
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    sean1141 wrote: »
    so why is there about 3 times as many golfs on the road as there are a3's?

    Same reason there is loads of new Meganes out there. The price I imagine.


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    #49
    coolbeans
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    KilOit wrote: »
    haha what are you ranting about, i basically said it's the same under the bonnet and any difference is purely cosmetic, imo the a3 is far far better looking car and interior is gorgeous to me, go re read it before you go on some fanboy rant again :rolleyes:

    To be fair I don't know how you can call me a fanboy when you own an A3, prattle on about its "gorgeous build" :rolleyes: and saw fit to pay a premium for a car that really does not merit it. You're the fanboy I think :D


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    #50
    teednab-el
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    sean1141 wrote: »
    so why is there about 3 times as many golfs on the road as there are a3's?

    Because people cant afford the A3 I guess. If they could I'm sure its the A3 they would go for. No brainer.


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    #51
    bazz26
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    teednab-el wrote: »
    Because people cant afford the A3 I guess. If they could I'm sure its the A3 they would go for. No brainer.

    Oh dear. Maybe they just wanted better value for their money.


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    #52
    coolbeans
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    teednab-el wrote: »
    Because people cant afford the A3 I guess. If they could I'm sure its the A3 they would go for. No brainer.

    A fool and his money are easily parted...:rolleyes:


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    #53
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Oh dear. Maybe they just wanted better value for their money.

    Possibly.


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    #54
    teednab-el
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭teednab-el


    coolbeans wrote: »
    A fool and his money are easily parted...:rolleyes:

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Says he or she who would buy one if they could afford it. Some people make me laugh :rolleyes:


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    #55
    KilOit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭KilOit


    coolbeans wrote: »
    To be fair I don't know how you can call me a fanboy when you own an A3, prattle on about its "gorgeous build" :rolleyes: and saw fit to pay a premium for a car that really does not merit it. You're the fanboy I think :D

    How could i be a fanboy when i gave negative points on the a3, seriously? :rolleyes:


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    #56
    coolbeans
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    teednab-el wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Says he or she who would buy one if they could afford it. Some people make me laugh :rolleyes:

    When did I say I would buy one if I could afford it? Where did I even indicate that I would even like one? Your implication that I don't have an A3 because I can't afford one is absurd to be honest. :rolleyes: Rarely has the the rolleyes smiley been so aptly used.


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    #57
    coolbeans
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    KilOit wrote: »
    How could i be a fanboy when i gave negative points on the a3, seriously? :rolleyes:

    You're a fanboy cos you saw fit to buy a very poor value car based on subjective reasoning. It does not have "gorgeous build", it's the same as most other VAG products. Audi fooled you with their admittedly very clever marketing. The A3 is also very outdated these days and has been sitting on the shelf for about eight years now. Again, only a fanboy would overlook this when compared to the current Golf and objectively much better(than the A3), cheaper cars such as the Kia Cee'd and Ford Focus.


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    #58
    scico rocks
    Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭scico rocks


    coolbeans wrote: »
    A fool and his money are easily parted...:rolleyes:

    Not really, if you can afford a better car ie. the A3, nothing foolish in that...:rolleyes:


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    #59
    EPM
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    scico rocks wrote: »
    Not really, if you can afford a better car ie. the A3, nothing foolish in that...:rolleyes:

    But it's not the better car. The only area it is the better car is on perceived quality, i.e. Squidgy plastics.


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    #60
    coolbeans
    Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    EPM wrote: »
    But it's not the better car. The only area it is the better car is on perceived quality, i.e. Squidgy plastics.

    Exactly, this is a motors forum after all and if the extra money isn't going into better reliability, performance, economy, safety etc you really have to ask yourself why you are paying more. I'm down on the A3 for these reasons as there is nothing apart from an extra squishy dash that sets it apart from the previous generation Golf. Some people seem to be taking what I say personally but these are the realities of A3 ownership.


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    #61
    pajo1981
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    The current A3 is basically an 8 YO car, and only a total fúcking idiot would buy one new.


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