Bomb in Derry - first since bowing at garden of remberance

gigino · 21-05-2011 02:11PM #1

The very sad news is that there was a bomb in Derry. The first since the Queens visit.

As the people who carried it out will simply say they are just the modern day counterparts of those whom the memorial in the garden of remembrance is dedicated to....should the queen have bowed to those who gave their lives in the struggle for Irish freedom, while having nothing to say or about their victims or the hundreds of thousands who endevoured to preserve the governments of the time law and order?

Helix · 21-05-2011 02:13PM

jesus, the queen was only in the garden of rememberance what, 5 days ago, and you think its notable to have a bomb in derry marked as "the first since..."

tallaghtmick · 21-05-2011 02:13PM

as it went in keenan and kel.......AWWWWWWWW HERE IT GOES

My name is URL · 21-05-2011 02:14PM

Because of the actions of a few knuckle dragging scummers, you feel the respect shown by the Queen was unwarranted?

RichieC · 21-05-2011 02:15PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

as it went in keenan and kel.......AWWWWWWWW HERE WE GO AGAIN.

Awww here it goes

tallaghtmick · 21-05-2011 02:16PM

RichieC wrote: »

Awww here it goes

dam you edit time

RichieC · 21-05-2011 02:17PM

Catch the scum that did it and make them paraplegics. Also, sterilize them to prevent their mental illness being spread to further generations.

RMD · 21-05-2011 02:18PM

They can claim to be the modern day counter-parts of whoever they want to be, but I will never allow those scumbags the association of those who lost their lives for our independence.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-05-2011 02:18PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Because of the actions of a few knuckle dragging scummers, you feel the respect shown by the Queen was unwarranted?

I think the OP mean's that these scum planting bombs will see the queen's bow as legitimizing (spelling?) their 'cause'?.

If so this the time when we all (Irish men and women) have to stand firm in the face of terror and say "NOT IN MY NAME".

squod · 21-05-2011 02:20PM

There were no reports of any injuries

Thank God. NW 200 also disrupted.

Biggins · 21-05-2011 02:21PM

The bombing gobschites didn't hear then, that the world is supposed to end today!
O' well... we know at least that if there is a hell, who will be first to burn in it!

later12 · 21-05-2011 02:26PM

Cristian Calm Net wrote: »

I think the OP mean's that these scum planting bombs will see the queen's bow as legitimizing (spelling?) their 'cause'?.

If so this the time when we all (Irish men and women) have to stand firm in the face of terror and say "NOT IN MY NAME".

I don't think it was the Queen's bow as such, but you're right. Most of the country has just spent almost a week admiring 'gallant Irish soldiers' marching and playing brass bands to honour our very own Glorious Dead.

We have also spoken of heroes who died for Irish independence, all the while apparently blind to the fact that if some of those men were alive today they would have been down on Moorse Street protesting the royal visit, not celebrating the current status. Perhaps this man who planted this bomb was not all that different, in his political outlook, to the IRB of 1916. The whole thing is a little deranged.

pablomakaveli · 21-05-2011 02:29PM

Cristian Calm Net wrote: »

I think the OP mean's that these scum planting bombs will see the queen's bow as legitimizing (spelling?) their 'cause'?.

If so this the time when we all (Irish men and women) have to stand firm in the face of terror and say "NOT IN MY NAME".

Tbh it often seems like these people don't care what the majority of people think.

sollar · 21-05-2011 02:29PM

Sounds like they have a plan.... bomb derry and a united ireland is sure to follow :rolleyes:

Daegerty · 21-05-2011 02:30PM

Plaunt a wee bomb!

marcsignal · 21-05-2011 02:30PM

Cristian Calm Net wrote: »

If so this the time when we all (Irish men and women) have to stand firm in the face of terror and say "NOT IN MY NAME".

Well said, these complete and utter morons should be completely boxed off, and given no quarter by anyone on this island, north or south, irrespective of creed, class, background or anything else.

fucking retrarded dinosaurs :mad:

Wolfe Tone · 21-05-2011 02:32PM

Incomprehensible and should be condemned by all.

mgmt · 21-05-2011 02:37PM

later10 wrote: »

We have also spoken of heroes who died for Irish independence, all the while apparently blind to the fact that if some of those men were alive today they would have been down on Moorse Street protesting the royal visit, not celebrating the current status. Perhaps this man who planted this bomb was not all that different, in his political outlook, to the IRB of 1916. The whole thing is a little deranged.

What???

The men of 1916 stood out onto the GPO and read a signed declaration of independence. Open and transparent and in uniform. Just like what had taken place on the first reading of the US Declaration of Independence in Boston.

The fat scumbag in Derry had to hide behind a mask.

The leaders of the War of Independence were given a mandate to conduct the war against the British from the 1918 general election. The scumbags up North never had a mandate. Not even amongst the nationalist community.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-05-2011 02:39PM

later10 wrote: »

I don't think it was the Queen's bow as search, but you're right. Most of the country has just spent almost a week admiring 'gallant Irish soldiers' marching and playing brass bands to honour our very own Glorious Dead. We have spoken of heroes who died for Irish independence, all the while apparently blind to the fact that if some of those men were alive today they would have been down on Moorse Street protesting the royal visit, not celebrating the current status. The whole thing is a little deranged.

That may well be true, but those men and women are not alive today.

And maybe its time we made peace with ourselves too, and as the queen said 'bow to the past but not be bound to it'.

I asked myself similar questions on a recent visit to Glasnevin cemetery, guys if any of you haven't done this your mad - its a great way to spend a few hours and connect with Irish history.

At the last grave, Michael Collins I asked myself what these men and women would make up of us today and was I betraying their memory in welcoming the queen here - and tbh I'm still searching for the answer, but I can hear it in the back of my mind telling me to let go of the past and move on.

The British haven't got us on our knee's anymore, its not the British establishment we've to stand up to now - we've been brought to our knee's from within, and we'll stay down on our knee's if we don't start standing up for ourselves - to the banks, the developers, government, TERRORISTS - we're a new people now.

The Ireland of old is gone.

And N.I. what is it?.. We've got power sharing, cross border policing, no border crossings/check points (rubbing our noses in it).. Our military serve alongside our British counterparts in The Balkans & Afghanistan.

Apart from a currency we're effectively an Island once again, and thats it - a God damned currency devoids us now!.

Sorry for the little rant.

Oranage2 · 21-05-2011 02:40PM

Terrible sick news really who ever done this is pure scum

Zebra3 · 21-05-2011 02:42PM

mgmt wrote: »

What???

The men of 1916 stood out onto the GPO and read a signed declaration of independence. Open and transparent and in uniform.

However the facts remain that they had no mandate from the people and the people lined up to hurl abuse at them and empty their chamberpots over them after their surrender.

later12 · 21-05-2011 02:43PM

mgmt wrote: »

What???

The men of 1916 stood out onto the GPO and read a signed declaration of independence. Open and transparent and in uniform. Just like what had taken place on the first reading of the US Declaration of Independence in Boston.

The fat scumbag in Derry had to hide behind a mask.

I didn't say they were similar in their methods, I said their political outlook may be similar.

You just know these quasi-IRA/ RIRA types admire Wolfe Tone and O'Leary and Pearse and it is not unreasonable to suggest that they saw the honouring of these men last week as a sort of justification to their cause, which they see themselves as advancing in their own way today.

I don't think that's the driver behind this latest attack necessarily, but I do think it might help legitimise these attacks in the minds of the perpetrators.

mike65 · 21-05-2011 02:46PM

The target for this heroic strike for freedom?

A building society, yep a bank by the people for the people

gigino · 21-05-2011 02:47PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

However the facts remain that they had no mandate from the people and the people lined up to hurl abuse at them and empty their chamberpots over them after their surrender.

+1. Far more chose to serve in British uniform than to rebel in 1916. According to http://www.waterfordcountymuseum.org/exhibit/web/Display/article/31
for example, "350,000 Irishmen volunteered for service during WW1 in addition to the 50,000 Irishmen already serving in the regular army and reserve at the outbreak of the war. ". How many rebels / terrorists / freedom fighters were there in 1916 ? They had no mandate from the people. Popular opinion omly started growing after the executions etc.

Xivilai · 21-05-2011 02:48PM

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gigino · 21-05-2011 02:50PM

later10 wrote: »

I don't think that's the driver behind this latest attack necessarily, but I do think it might help legitimise these attacks in the minds of the perpetrators.

unfortunately so. those people who planted the bomb may be hoping in another 90 years people will come and bow at a memorial to them.

I wonder what the 120,000 Irishmen who volunteered to serve with British forces in WW2 would make of it all ? Would they think the Queen should have bowed to those who "gave their lives for Irish Freedom" at the Garden of Remberance, while those 120,000 helped ensure our freedom - and the freedom of others - from Nazism. Do not forget in WW2 DeValera had IRA men die in jail here in Ireland, and now the Queen bows to the IRA ? strange.

Zebra3 · 21-05-2011 02:58PM

gigino wrote: »

+1. Far more chose to serve in British uniform than to rebel in 1916. According to http://www.waterfordcountymuseum.org/exhibit/web/Display/article/31
for example, "350,000 Irishmen volunteered for service during WW1 in addition to the 50,000 Irishmen already serving in the regular army and reserve at the outbreak of the war. ".

But how many fought for the Brits cos they were actaully paying?

sollar · 21-05-2011 03:03PM

Cristian Calm Net wrote: »

we've been brought to our knee's from within, and we'll stay down on our knee's if we don't start standing up for ourselves - to the banks, the developers, government, TERRORISTS - we're a new people now.

That is a good point. For some reason we don't seem to stand up for ourselves in any meaningful or coherent way. We have seen our economy destroyed and our society damaged by a select few. Yet there has been no protests. I don't understand why.

Look at madrid today. We haven't done anything like that yet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13481592

It would do no harm to really let the dissidents know how we feel also.

Biggins · 21-05-2011 03:06PM

I completely tired of this ever regurgitated crap of who's right and who's wrong.
Look, both sides are going to have to accept another side will have a different view.

Now (and this is NOT directed at those here on the forum) can we please move the fcuk on and get on with our lives?
Either you condemn the ever continuing bombing or you don't.

If you support the continuation of a bombing campaign - get the fcuk off my island because the vast majority want to get on with their lives and not remain stuck in the past!

I'm bloody sick of this schite.

I'm outa here.

Adamisconfused · 21-05-2011 03:24PM

later10 wrote: »

I didn't say they were similar in their methods, I said their political outlook may be similar.

You just know these quasi-IRA/ RIRA types admire Wolfe Tone and O'Leary and Pearse and it is not unreasonable to suggest that they saw the honouring of these men last week as a sort of justification to their cause, which they see themselves as advancing in their own way today.

I don't think that's the driver behind this latest attack necessarily, but I do think it might help legitimise these attacks in the minds of the perpetrators.

I would be shocked if even one of them thought that. As far as they are concerned, the thirty two county republic, as declared in 1916, exists to this day and they are the rightful government. They care not a jot what happened this week or what we think of them.

The trap you're falling into is one this country suffered from during the troubles. Out of fear of legitimising physical force republicanism, the establishment tried to distance itself from the past. It canceled 1916 ceremonies, allowed memorials to dead republicans to fall into disrepair. It created a revised history of many of the people and events of the war of independence. In doing so, it allowed one side to claim a section of history as belonging solely to them.

I almost wrote that now is the time to claim it back for us. However, history belongs to no one person or group and the actions of the past should speak for themselves. Our state was founded in a particular way and all the discussion in the world won't change that. In fact, most people now and in 1921 were proud of those who died fighting for Irish freedom. The dissidents can never claim the majority of anyone being proud of them.

gigino · 21-05-2011 03:49PM

Adamisconfused wrote: »

I would be shocked if even one of them thought that. As far as they are concerned, the thirty two county republic, as declared in 1916, exists to this day and they are the rightful government.

Neither the CIRA or PIRA or INLA or RIRA are the righful government, and in reality the people in those groups knew and know that. They have justified their past action because they see themselves as doing in modern times what the rebel in 1916 did then. Far more chose to serve in British uniform than to rebel in 1916,...and as pointed out already the fact remain that the rebels had no mandate from the people and the people lined up to hurl abuse at them and empty their chamberpots over them after their surrender.
Unfortunately, as someone else said it is not unreasonable to suggest that they saw the honouring of the rebels of 1916 last week as a sort of justification to their cause, which they see themselves as advancing in their own way today.

Bomb in Derry - first since bowing at garden of remberance

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