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The USA taxpayer is unable/unwilling to fund further space flights

  • 20-05-2011 11:08PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭


    Is it time a worldwide effort be made to reach for the stars?

    Why does the USA alone have to lead space flight?

    Time for a truly international effort I think! Some may say we have that with the ISS... bull**** thats only among certain countries on that one project...

    Space is the future!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Who else can keep the alien scout ships in check ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    We have to fund this. Ryan Giggs need to get off the planet :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Space is the future!

    Even Stephen Hawkin said it. If we as in humanity do not develop the ability to exist beyond our own planet humanity will not survive in the long term.

    Space exploration is the long term survival of our sepcies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭CommuterIE


    Its sad to think Ireland didn't contribute one cent to the ESA... wouldn't it be great to see a tri-colour in space?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    CommuterIE wrote: »

    Why does the USA alone have to lead space flight?

    Do they?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭CommuterIE


    squod wrote: »
    Do they?

    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    squod wrote: »
    Do they?

    Not anymore, one more shuttle flight and thats it. Russia are the only game in town to get a person in orbit or the ISS until China and India get in gear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭CommuterIE


    Not anymore, one more shuttle flight and thats it. Russia are the only game in town to get a person in orbit or the ISS until China and India get in gear.

    USA is diverting the funds to build a better space craft... that is the goal... and the amount of money been spent is much more than this entire countries GNP :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    It's only after a Third World War that mankind will finally reach the starswhen Zefram Cochrane invents warp drive. I saw it in a documentary once.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Its sad to think Ireland didn't contribute one cent to the ESA

    Jesus we have enough problems without funding a fcuking space programme... Unless we can emmigrate to space... Hmm are there jobs there? Whats the visa requirements?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Human space flight is costly. The future is in robotic exploration imo. Take the Mars rovers - they're an incredible achievement and do the exploring for us at a fraction of the cost it would take to send a man out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    USA is diverting the funds to build a better space craft... that is the goal... and the amount of money been spent is much more than this entire countries GNP :eek:

    Obama cancelled the Orion project. The US have nothing and no money to anything with. NASA are left launching probes and Rovers for the next 20 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    You know, pollsters do ask the US Public these questions, and publish the answers. Gallup has done a few, including one in 2008 reported here.
    "These latest results -- as well as poll data from the last several years -- reveal that even in the midst of varying world and national circumstances, Americans still strongly support space exploration, and are willing to support its funding at current levels or even slightly increased levels," said Mary Engola, chairwoman of the Coalition for Space Exploration's Public Affairs Team. The 2008 Gallup Poll shows more than 52 percent of those surveyed would support an increase in space exploration funding. Currently, NASA's budget is less than 1 percent of the federal budget, or approximately 15 cents per day for the average, tax-paying citizen. In addition, 68 percent of all respondents surveyed agree that the benefits of space exploration outweigh the risks of human space flight.
    The fundamental problem is not money, it's risk: space flight is dangerous, but lives have been lost in avoidable accidents, and the Shuttle program has never recovered from the two disasters.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Yes

    and the Russians and Richard Branson


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Its sad to think Ireland didn't contribute one cent to the ESA... wouldn't it be great to see a tri-colour in space?

    Not quite correct - the Irish government does indeed contribute a few million every year to the ESA 'pot', it gets returned to Irish companies who do research and development for future programmes (known as 'geo-return'). Believe it or not, there was a proposal on the table recently to design and build a small satellite to showcase technologies from Ireland (hasn't got off the ground yet though ;))

    Seeing the SRB's (solid rocket boosters) from the second last shuttle being towed back into a Florida port the other day and probably being offered on the cheap to a private spaceflight company means that JFK's legacy is dead in the water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭CommuterIE


    and the Russians and Richard Branson

    lol, the Americans are obviously far ahead of both... just there will be a gap now while they work out the strategy to replace the Shuttle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Why does the USA alone have to lead space flight?

    There are active space programs in Europe, India, Japan, China and Russia, not to mention a rapidly expanding private sector. There are almost certainly other programs I'm not thinking of.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭CommuterIE


    Zillah wrote: »
    There are active space programs in Europe, India, Japan, China and Russia, not to mention a rapidly expanding private sector. There are almost certainly other programs I'm not thinking of.

    None has ever been as comprehensive as the American program... most likely due to lack of funding!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    That isn't the issue. Just because the US has had the biggest space program in the past doesn't mean that they are doing it "alone".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Bajingo


    Although Richard Bransons investments in space flights are a great step forward for more affordable space flights, the tech they're using isn't going to lead to any ground breaking space exploration taking place. Soon anyway. They're going as far as the US did in the 60's! It's sad to see NASA being pushed back so far. I found the story James May did on the new moon buggy particularly deflating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    JFK Must be turning in his grave:mad:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    It would be nice to see the USA, EU, India, China and anyone else who may have serious intentions about space exploration to pull together on funds, research and resources to advance humanities understanding of space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭gman2k


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Is it time a worldwide effort be made to reach for the stars?
    ...
    Space is the future!

    If you actually mean going to another Star system? With humans?
    It could easily take 70-100 years to reach another star system, by which time, the astronauts would be either A. Dead, or B. their grandchildren whom they have given birth to and raised in space would be the ones seeing the 'new world'.
    Then think of the return journey.....the occupants of the spaceship would have no actual knowledge of their great great grandparents home and no affinity with it. The earth they would return to would probably have forgotten that they had even sent them (two centuries previously)
    A ship capable of travelling so far and for so long would take up a huge proportion of the earths resources and economic output for no discernible return.
    So unmanned robotic probes it is - and they have been sent out since the 70s.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭tallaghtmick


    Who else can keep the alien scout ships in check ?

    the stonecutters of course


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    CommuterIE wrote: »
    Its sad to think Ireland didn't contribute one cent to the ESA... wouldn't it be great to see a tri-colour in space?

    Ireland doesn't even have an army.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The 1st man on Mars will probably be Chinese.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I thought there was going to be a joint effort in designing more efficent methods of reaching orbit?

    Shame that the US space program has had cuts, considering everything the space race has given us in our everyday lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,537 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    op why are all your threads comparing ireland to the us in some shape or fashion......

    nasa are afforded a ridiculously small budget annually (about $17 billion out of a nearly $4 trillion budget), compare that to the roughly $1 trillion the us spends on defence, wars and nuclear weapons


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭ldxo15wus6fpgm


    The 1st man on Mars will probably be Chinese.

    Unlikely - America (and most of the world) will be out of this current economic crisis that has prompted the space programme cuts in the states. It will be back on its feet in 20 years. I think it would be hard to see China develop their tech + resources to outpace the Americans' while their programme stalls.

    The future in space is most certainly private enterprise anyway. There's no money in it for the government.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    gman2k wrote: »
    If you actually mean going to another Star system? With humans?
    It could easily take 70-100 years to reach another star system

    It's thought that the nearest habitable planet outside our own solar system is over 20 light years away. That's approximately 120 trillion miles. I reckon 70-100 years might be a tad optimistic.

    I think we'll all destroy ourselves before we're capable of moving to another planet.


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