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New Library Discussion/Construction Thread

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  • #62
    LeixlipRed
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    I hope they blow it up, or even better, an implosion :P


  • #63
    pnag
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    I'd guess they'll close the road, and then lift off the centre piece via crane? Seems to be one solid concrete piece, covered in tar?


  • #64
    philologos
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    I'm presuming that they are expecting everyone to cross with the new lights underneath? Isn't that not the worst idea they could have come up with, it's going to take much longer to get across than before?


  • #65
    mp3guy
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    philologos wrote: »
    I'm presuming that they are expecting everyone to cross with the new lights underneath? Isn't that not the worst idea they could have come up with, it's going to take much longer to get across than before?

    Traffic dependant yes. The crossing will give pedestrians right of way however, and since students won't be ascending and descending a gradient, it will actually take a marginally shorter period of time to cross.


  • #66
    Jimmy Iovine
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    If they plan on blowing it up they better try make it as much of an event as they did down in Texas a few years ago :p.

    Loads of fireworks, thousands of spectators and the obligatory 3D camera positioned inside the stadium. There's a video of the inside as well but i couldn't be bothered putting it up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14OQByZRxWc


    Failing all that we could just organise everyone to meet up for a few cans to commemorate the lifetime of the bridge. It'll be missed


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  • #67
    philologos
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    Traffic dependant yes. The crossing will give pedestrians right of way however, and since students won't be ascending and descending a gradient, it will actually take a marginally shorter period of time to cross.

    They could have built some form of an underpass or a new bridge though all the same.


  • #68
    mp3guy
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    Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

    Failing all that we could just organise everyone to meet up for a few cans to commemorate the lifetime of the bridge. It'll be missed

    It was tried, and failed.


  • #69
    mp3guy
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    philologos wrote: »
    They could have built some form of an underpass or a new bridge though all the same.

    Underpass would have flooding / homeless people living there issues.

    I think the removal of the bridge was planned because they didn't want a bridge of any sort there.

    You seem to be forgetting that the bridge isn't actually that old, and the college functioned perfectly fine before it came along.


  • #70
    Jimmy Iovine
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    It was tried, and failed.

    amateurs


  • #71
    philologos
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    You seem to be forgetting that the bridge isn't actually that old, and the college functioned perfectly fine before it came along.

    That doesn't mean that it will function as well with it gone all the same.


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  • #72
    mp3guy
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    philologos wrote: »
    That doesn't mean that it will function as well with it gone all the same.

    If you really think University functionality and performance is going to be noticeably effected in the slightest, well, that's just silly.

    It's as if people are expecting weekly deaths from people crossing the road, massive increases in student tardiness and all other sorts of unthinkable repercussions. If only, if only we just kept that damn bridge!


  • #73
    philologos
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    It's just going to be a great deal more awkward to get back and forward. Quite simple really. No hysteria required.


  • #74
    mp3guy
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    philologos wrote: »
    It's just going to be a great deal more awkward to get back and forward. Quite simple really. No hysteria required.

    "Great deal". Your definition is skewed. Crossing a flat road, with zebra/pelican crossing lights is about as easy as walking along a path.


  • #75
    philologos
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    "Great deal". Your definition is skewed. Crossing a flat road, with zebra/pelican crossing lights is about as easy as walking along a path.

    You're leaving out the important factor of traffic.


  • #76
    mp3guy
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    philologos wrote: »
    You're leaving out the important factor of traffic.

    You're ignoring the important factor of a zebra/pelican crossing and pedestrian right of way. Which when included in my statement, nullifies the need to address the factor of traffic.


  • #77
    squishykins
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    The traffic is already so bad there though, the problem will only surely be worse with the bridge gone, right? The bridge is always packed between classes, I can only imagine more and more people getting pissed off...


  • #78
    mp3guy
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    It'll be worse for traffic, but only on the hour between 9 and 6.

    And drivers hate pedestrians and vice versa anyway right?


  • #79
    philologos
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    It'll be worse for traffic, but only on the hour between 9 and 6. And drivers hate pedestrians and vice versa anyway right?

    At least we could avoid our mutual contempt by avoiding each other before now :pac:


  • #80
    Alt_Grrr
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    philologos wrote: »
    At least we could avoid our mutual contempt by avoiding each other before now :pac:

    Its not a big deal, there is a round-about going in at the entrance to the north campus,
    and the road has been narrowed, and there are more traffic lights going in
    and there are still plans for a Maynooth bi-pass which will remove a lot of the traffic from that road (doubt it will happen).

    So I think in the long run, we'll get over the loss of the ugliest death-trap ever built and move on.

    And we'll have a nice new library to show for it.


  • #81
    the_syco
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    When winter comes, when it gets dark early, when it's rainy heavily, and very windy... I hope the crossing will be well lit, and that there won't be any stupid people making a mad dash across the road to get to class because they're late.


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  • #82
    mp3guy
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    the_syco wrote: »
    When winter comes, when it gets dark early, when it's rainy heavily, and very windy... I hope the crossing will be well lit, and that there won't be any stupid people making a mad dash across the road to get to class because they're late.

    Again, the bridge isn't here all that long and it's no different from crossing the road between Dunnes and North Campus when late for class...


  • #83
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    the_syco wrote: »
    When winter comes, when it gets dark early, when it's rainy heavily, and very windy... I hope the crossing will be well lit, and that there won't be any stupid people making a mad dash across the road to get to class because they're late.

    The very factors that could make that bridge scarily dangerous at times tbh...


  • #84
    thebman
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    The bridge was never dangerous, used it loads of times all through the year.

    Lots of people here have a long, golden career in health and safety ahead of them with logic like the wind makes it dangerous.

    A pedestrian crossing will make it way more dangerous there in my opinion. Someone will eventually get hit and then they will probably build a new bridge or a tunnel for health and safety reasons :pac:


  • #85
    lordgoat
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    mp3guy wrote: »
    Underpass would have flooding / homeless people living there issues.

    I think the removal of the bridge was planned because they didn't want a bridge of any sort there.

    You seem to be forgetting that the bridge isn't actually that old, and the college functioned perfectly fine before it came along.

    Are you for real? Number of students when footbridge was built versus number of students now. So now there will be more students crossing a busy road. So by that logic, more risk.
    mp3guy wrote: »
    You're ignoring the important factor of a zebra/pelican crossing and pedestrian right of way. Which when included in my statement, nullifies the need to address the factor of traffic.

    LOL at this, yes because irish drivers are known for being courteous to pedestrian. And i write this as both. Maybe we should get a lollipop lady in there as well.
    mp3guy wrote: »
    It'll be worse for traffic, but only on the hour between 9 and 6.

    And drivers hate pedestrians and vice versa anyway right?

    Ah yes only on the hour +/- 10-15 mins every hour for 10 hours, hardly any disruption at all.

    There should have been a footbridge or an underpass, we have this modern technology called drains and gates to prevent flooding and unwanted access. In fact one of these systems is already in place on the current foot bridge.


  • #86
    lordgoat
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    thebman wrote: »
    The bridge was never dangerous, used it loads of times all through the year.

    Lots of people here have a long, golden career in health and safety ahead of them with logic like the wind makes it dangerous.

    A pedestrian crossing will make it way more dangerous there in my opinion. Someone will eventually get hit and then they will probably build a new bridge or a tunnel for health and safety reasons :pac:

    The joys of living in a nanny state my friend. People are now too afraid to cross a bridge it seems.


  • #87
    the_syco
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    lordgoat wrote: »
    LOL at this, yes because irish drivers are known for being courteous to pedestrian. And i write this as both. Maybe we should get a lollipop lady in there as well.
    Good idea. Also, if they do do lights they'll probably be the ones with a push button to get a green man, where half the time the button won't work due to over use, and the other half, people will walk across regardless when the red man is showing.


  • #88
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    thebman wrote: »
    The bridge was never dangerous, used it loads of times all through the year.

    Lots of people here have a long, golden career in health and safety ahead of them with logic like the wind makes it dangerous.

    A pedestrian crossing will make it way more dangerous there in my opinion. Someone will eventually get hit and then they will probably build a new bridge or a tunnel for health and safety reasons :pac:

    I'd agree if I didn't know a number of people who had twisted ankles or broken legs because of that bridge. It's nearly happened to me a few times! Bad conditions and it does get dangerous. Building a bridge at such an angle should never have been allowed


  • #89
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    lordgoat wrote: »
    The joys of living in a nanny state my friend. People are now too afraid to cross a bridge it seems.

    I'm sorry but cop on with your nanny state crap. the bridge can be dangerous. I've seen it myself.

    This complaining about a pedestrian crossing is just as nanny state-esque as my complaints if not more.

    The crossing will be fine. It's not exactly like that road is impossible to cross now.
    And basically everything mp3guy said below!


  • #90
    mp3guy
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    lordgoat wrote: »
    Are you for real? Number of students when footbridge was built versus number of students now. So now there will be more students crossing a busy road. So by that logic, more risk.

    LOL at this, yes because irish drivers are known for being courteous to pedestrian. And i write this as both. Maybe we should get a lollipop lady in there as well.

    Ah yes only on the hour +/- 10-15 mins every hour for 10 hours, hardly any disruption at all.

    There should have been a footbridge or an underpass, we have this modern technology called drains and gates to prevent flooding and unwanted access. In fact one of these systems is already in place on the current foot bridge.

    I'm stunned by the degree to which people are fretting and almost panicking about this. You'd swear everyone was 5 years old. It's a road, get over it. There will not be mass student death. Also, considering the close proximity of a river an underpass would require a powered pumping system to avoid flooding, much more hassle and energy use than a set of lights.
    lordgoat wrote: »
    The joys of living in a nanny state my friend. People are now too afraid to cross a bridge it seems.

    And you've very adamantly shown that you essentially believe this demolition will be the beginning of some new dark age of death, frustration and terror for all students of the University.

    Please, realise that there are two other sets of lights merely 100 metres from where the bridge is near the Manor Mills complex and the Church. I cross by these lights on a daily basis, as do many others, throughout the day. In fact, the same on the hour rule applies too as people from the village arrive and depart north campus for lectures. Plenty of people cross all 3 lanes as well, without using the lights.

    It's not. that. bad.


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  • #91
    lordgoat
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    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    I'm sorry but cop on with your nanny state crap. the bridge can be dangerous. I've seen it myself.

    This complaining about a pedestrian crossing is just as nanny state-esque as my complaints if not more.

    The crossing will be fine. It's not exactly like that road is impossible to cross now.
    And basically everything mp3guy said below!

    The point being made is that, if there are flaws with the bridge, you don't get rid of it you improve it.

    Agree or disagree:
    1) Less people crossing the road means there are less chances of people getting injured by cars?
    2) Less trafic lights means traffic flows better and congestion in maynooth (which is abysmal) is lessened


    You don't get rid of something with a cheaper alternative and then try to pass it off as something else.


    mp3guy wrote: »
    I'm stunned by the degree to which people are fretting and almost panicking about this. You'd swear everyone was 5 years old. It's a road, get over it. There will not be mass student death. Also, considering the close proximity of a river an underpass would require a powered pumping system to avoid flooding, much more hassle and energy use than a set of lights.



    And you've very adamantly shown that you essentially believe this demolition will be the beginning of some new dark age of death, frustration and terror for all students of the University.

    Please, realise that there are two other sets of lights merely 100 metres from where the bridge is near the Manor Mills complex and the Church. I cross by these lights on a daily basis, as do many others, throughout the day. In fact, the same on the hour rule applies too as people from the village arrive and depart north campus for lectures. Plenty of people cross all 3 lanes as well, without using the lights.

    It's not. that. bad.


    Again you miss the point, the reason the footbridge is going is, and i know this to be the case. The college is afraid of someone (student or otherwise) either falling off it accidently or jumping from it. In the nanny state this country has turned into it simple removes the bridge, rather than improve it. I agree with you on one thing that lights are the cheaper alternative to alot of the others.

    You don't seem to understand either that it's not just a set of traffic lights, it's the knock on effect they have, the lights will ensure back logs of cars on the hour. In town planning traffic lights are one of the main items that you generally try to avoid, particularly pedestrian lights as they bring traffic in all directions to a complete halt.


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