Strauss Kahn resigns. :(

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 11:53AM #1

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/19/new.york.imf.kahn.resigns/index.html?eref=ft

Is anyone else bitterly disappointed?
It's a sick, sick world we're living in, when an unproven and untested allegation can utterly destroy somebody's career long before they have even had their day in court.

I must remember in future that if I ever want to assure somebody loses their job or doesn't get elected, I just have to accuse them of molestation. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant, apparently, since they will be regarded as guilty either way.

hondasam · 19-05-2011 11:56AM

I really Do not care.

MagicMarker · 19-05-2011 11:58AM

He's a millionaire ffs, him resigning is hardly going to have much of an impact on his life. And if he's proven innocent he'll walk right in to another equally high paying job.

Cathaoirleach · 19-05-2011 11:58AM

IMF - my heart bleeds.

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 11:59AM

hondasam wrote: »

I really Do not care.

Really? It could be you tomorrow. How would you like to have your life wrecked without ever being given a chance to tell your side of the story first?

MagicMarker wrote: »

He's a millionaire ffs, him resigning is hardly going to have much of an impact on his life. And if he's proven innocent he'll walk right in to another equally high paying job.

It's the principle. He has been found guilty of nothing yet, why should he lose ANYTHING? Are we going ot live in a society where we can just make accusations against people we don't like and cost them their jobs and ambitions regardless of the eventual outcome?!

Raging_Ninja · 19-05-2011 12:01PM

Most jobs would suspend an employee if they were charged with a serious crime like this, and politics is about appearance. If he's found not guilty, he can sue for loss of earnings and defamation of character.

Not a lot of people would want to continue working with a person who is charged with such a crime.

Besides, the fact that he fled the hotel leaving most of his stuff behind (from what we've been told) and was arrested on a plane as he was about to leave the country puts things in a slightly less innocent light.

hondasam · 19-05-2011 12:01PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Really? It could be you tomorrow. How would you like to have your life wrecked without ever being given a chance to tell your side of the story first?

No it will not be tomorrow and like I said I Don't care.

staker · 19-05-2011 12:01PM

Why would he resign if he did nothing wrong?
More likely he was pushed though.

MagicMarker · 19-05-2011 12:02PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's the principle. He has been found guilty of nothing yet, why should he lose ANYTHING? Are we going ot live in a society where we can just make accusations against people we don't like and cost them their jobs and ambitions regardless of the eventual outcome?!

He resigned.

KyussBishop · 19-05-2011 12:02PM

Meh, didn't he help rape several countries before being accused of raping that maid?

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 12:02PM

hondasam wrote: »

No it will not be tomorrow and like I said I Don't care.

How can you say it won't be tomorrow, exactly? Accusations can be made anytime.

Kiera · 19-05-2011 12:03PM

hondasam wrote: »

I really Do not care.

Why do you put capital letters in the middle of your sentences?

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 12:03PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

He resigned.

He resigned under pressure from countless media outlets, officials and governments.

All of whom, apparently, don't actually believe in the democratic principle of the burden being solely on the accuser to prove guilt before any penalty occurs.

MagicMarker · 19-05-2011 12:04PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

He resigned under pressure from countless media outlets, officials and governments.

Says you.

mickdw · 19-05-2011 12:05PM

He has a history of this crap. Even if the girl in this case was a setup, its his own actions in the past which would have given rise to this so no pity for him whatsoever.

seamus · 19-05-2011 12:05PM

staker wrote: »

Why would he resign if he did nothing wrong?
More likely he was pushed though.

The fact that he's been incarcerated and will spend most of his time for the foreseeable future fighting this court case means that he will be unable to act effectively as the head of the organisation. So not being the head of that organisation is the right thing to do.

Of course, the appropriate thing to do would be to step aside and allow someone else to run the organisation until he returns, but I would imagine he was offered a generous handshake to just go.

If he's not found guilty, he won't have a hard time finding a new employer.

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 12:05PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Most jobs would suspend an employee if they were charged with a serious crime like this, and politics is about appearance. If he's found not guilty, he can sue for loss of earnings and defamation of character.

That's not going to get him his job back, nor will it make up for missing out on the presidential vote.

Not a lot of people would want to continue working with a person who is charged with such a crime.

Why not, exactly? Charged. Not convicted. Anyone can make an accusation, in our society we're supposed to believe in total assumed innocence until a court finds beyond reasonable doubt that this is not the case.

Besides, the fact that he fled the hotel leaving most of his stuff behind (from what we've been told) and was arrested on a plane as he was about to leave the country puts things in a slightly less innocent light.

The media can put any spin on things, we know he was rushing to get to a meeting in another country, there could be plenty of other reasons.

hondasam · 19-05-2011 12:07PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How can you say it won't be tomorrow, exactly? Accusations can be made anytime.

I will never put myself in a situation where accusations will be made.

He choose to resign and I Don't know if he is guilty or not but If I had to guess I would say he is guilty.

Ponster · 19-05-2011 12:07PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/19/new.york.imf.kahn.resigns/index.html?eref=ft
It's a sick, sick world we're living in, when an unproven and untested allegation can utterly destroy somebody's career long before they have even had their day in court.

The same would happen to any CEO of any company. If you're going to be spending at least the next 3 months in prison then you aren't in a position to manage the day to day runnings of the business. And when your business involves more than $1 trillion and the near future of some countries then you have to let someone else take over.

hondasam · 19-05-2011 12:09PM

Kiera wrote: »

Why do you put capital letters in the middle of your sentences?

Is that an accusation ? should I resign ?

Kiera · 19-05-2011 12:10PM

hondasam wrote: »

Is that an accusation ? should I resign ?

Yes please

ejmaztec · 19-05-2011 12:10PM

mickdw wrote: »

He has a history of this crap. Even if the girl in this case was a setup, its his own actions in the past which would have given rise to this so no pity for him whatsoever.

Yes, his god-daughter's already going after him for what he allegedly did to her, so his goose is going to well and truly cooked.

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 12:11PM

hondasam wrote: »

I will never put myself in a situation where accusations will be made.

He choose to resign and I Don't know if he is guilty or not but If I had to guess I would say he is guilty.

Anyone can make any accusation at any time.
What right do you (or any of us have) to presume anything about it at this point? None of us are on the jury, and even the jury haven't heard any evidence yet so they have no right to make a verdict at this point either.

Ponster wrote: »

The same would happen to any CEO of any company. If you're going to be spending at least the next 3 months in prison then you aren't in a position to manage the day to day runnings of the business. And when your business involves more than $1 trillion and the near future of some countries then you have to let someone else take over.

And surely the right course in that situation would be to allow someone else to temporarily take over the job until such time as a verdict is reached?

I simply don't accept that it should be possible to destroy somebody purely on the basis of an unproven accusation, and I'm quite shocked by the number of people here who don't seem to believe in due process...

hondasam · 19-05-2011 12:12PM

Kiera wrote: »

Yes please

Consider it done.

Sykk · 19-05-2011 12:12PM

People don't realize that it requires a man of ridiculous intellect, leadership and knowledge to run an organization like the IMF. Especially at a time of economic crisis. Strauss Kahn was the head of the IMF for a reason. It will be hard, very hard to replace him.

This will have knock on effects for everybody, including Ireland. People saying they "don't give a shít" are probably the same people who could care less about protests, governments and the like until their dole gets lowered or their tax raised.

Tbh this is pretty concerning for the world of economics and politics. Interesting to see how the case plays out. Innocent until proven guilty.

Solair · 19-05-2011 12:13PM

If you are in a position like that you have to be totally beyond reproach and those accusations, his arrest and being held in custody made his position untenable.

There's also the impracticality of the fact that he is in custody and unable to attend meetings or work.

If, he is not proven to be guilty, well then I am sure that he will be able to somehow reinstate his career.

You also have to bear in mind that he resigned he was not fired by the IMF without proof of guilt.

So, at least he's putting the fact that the IMF needs stable leadership above his personal situation. If he wanted to fight-on, he probably could have remained in the position, suspended, until the verdict of his trial.

staker · 19-05-2011 12:13PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Yes, his god-daughter's already going after him for what he allegedly did to her, so his goose is going to well and truly cooked.

Will the goose get the chair too?

Would it not be better giving it to a local homeless charity or something?

19-05-2011 12:15PM

It seems unfair that he should be made to resign for an accusation alone.

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2011 12:16PM

Solair wrote: »

Unfortunately, if you are in a position like that you have to be totally beyond reproach and those accusations. his arrest and being held in custody made his position untenable.

There's also the impracticality of the fact that he is in custody and unable to attend meetings or work.

If, he is not proven to be guilty, well then I am sure that he will be able to somehow reinstate his career.

You also have to bear in mind that he resigned he was not fired by the IMF without proof of guilt.

So, at least he's putting the fact that the IMF needs stable leadership above his personal situation.

He resigned amid intense international pressure from leaders to do so. Surely those leaders should have upheld their principles of due process?

As I say, being imprisoned would indeed render him unable to do the job, therefore he should have been temporarily replaced pending the outcome of the case. I cannot accept that an unproven accusation should lead to the downfall of somebody's career before they have had their day in court. It's outrageous.

deirdre_dub · 19-05-2011 12:21PM

One of two things is true - either he is, in fact, guilty, or he is, in fact, innocent.

Actually, one of four things is true - either he is guilty and will or will not be found guilty, or he is innocent and will or will not be found innocent.

Being innocent and found guilty is not impossible, but unlikely. If he is guilty and found to be guilty - fair enough. But if he is innocent and found innocent, OR if he is guilty and found innocent, then his accusers are potentially in for a world of hurt. AFAIK they are just ordinary people - they don't stand a chance against a pissed-off former head of the IMF.

The narrative seems to be that he is being stitched-up. I mean, seriously, how many of you would put yourself up against the head of the IMF for a stitch-up?

ejmaztec · 19-05-2011 12:21PM

staker wrote: »

Will the goose get the chair too?

Would it not be better giving it to a local homeless charity or something?

The goose would be overdone if it got the chair, and no-one would be able to eat it.:(

Strauss Kahn resigns. :(

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