After Hours, one and only Queen thread

Wheelie King · 17-05-2011 06:53PM

DingChavez wrote: »

Funny how thick looking the people protesting were. I bet most of them failed Irish history in school. If they even went.

Terrible smell of elitism in this thread.

mike65 · 17-05-2011 06:53PM

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Yeah pop quiz time folks, how many WW2/Nazi shows are there typically on British television?

WTF are you on about?

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2011 06:54PM

Seanchai wrote: »

I suppose that must mean he'd be in Dublin City Hall himself organising resistance because his great grand uncle was? Or wait, maybe he's his own man with his own life and own views and not a prisoner of the actions of some distant relation? Radical, eh.

He is quite a republician actually, but sure what do you know....

IngazZagni · 17-05-2011 06:54PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

"From my tenderest youth I have considered the union of Ireland with Great-Britain as the scourge of the Irish nation."

That's referring to the entire islands Union as part of the UK. That's no longer the case. Got anything else?

TheZohanS · 17-05-2011 06:54PM

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Sssshhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Jesus you are an idiot, its easier just to mock the appearance of the protesters in an ad hominem attack rather than consider that there may actually be an issue that they are píssed off about.

Sure werent they wearing Celtic jerseys and all junkies and jobless. :rolleyes:

The ironing...

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Okay can we clear this up once and for all folks.

Unless you were there trying to burn flags or break barriers or moon the cameras...

...you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Mmkay?

That's not how it works, Mmkay?

Ireland is being shown around the World at the moment so of course people can get embarrassed by thugs carrying on, and writing in bold doesn't give you special powers or make your point more vaild....unless you're a mod.

WhiteRussian · 17-05-2011 06:54PM

I only caught the highlights on the Six One news and I must admit that I did well up as I watched. The significance of the occasion really only dawned on me as I watched her give the inspection of the army and the two anthems were played. The tears were not anger or sadness at what I was watching, but pride, pride to be part of this country that went through so much for its independence to be where it is today. On a political level, this shows a great maturity, and on a personal level we can all be very proud that we can welcome the Queen to our country.

The King of Moo · 17-05-2011 06:54PM

If people want to protest her visit because they oppose the principle of monarchy then fair enough. Personally I think it's ridiculous that it still exists in the 21st century but I don't see much point in protesting Liz personally. It's not like she chose to be a royal. And she seems like a nice old lady. Even if she is kind of technically a dole scrounger! :rolleyes:
But those protesting simply because she's the British head of state are idiots living in the distant past.
Don't they realise she hadn't even been born when we became the Free State!? Can't blame her for 800 years etc etc...

(and I'm not contradicting myself by being anti-monarchy and The King of Moo. It's a complicated system here in Moo so technically I'm not actually royal. But I is the King.)

Seanchai · 17-05-2011 06:55PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

A few hundred junkies and scum protested.

Where's your evidence that they were "junkies" and "scum"? Let's stick to what you know, not what stereotype you'd prefer. There's an irony in accusing protesters of being essentially unreasonable when their opponents here are making all sorts of unsubstantiated claims against them.

17-05-2011 06:55PM

To be honest, I think Ireland played a blinder today. The whole place looked beautiful, we showed we can do pomp and ceromony with the best of them.
The Aras and grounds looked stunning. Trinity looked stunning.
We shall look good on the world stage if they edit out the protesters LOL

Amhran Nua · 17-05-2011 06:55PM

mike65 wrote: »

WTF are you on about?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about people who weren't moving on from the past.

AudreyHepburn · 17-05-2011 06:56PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Don't post in this thread again.

Micky have you seen the posts Seanchai has written in response to me? I think you're being highly unfair.

I don't mean to be rude but please just look at them, he's accused me of all sorts and been arrogant and condscending toward me.

I'm sorry for the last post but please just look at the things he's said to me.

bonerm · 17-05-2011 06:56PM

The funny thing is Will Carling there is probably getting loads of positive feedback from his own circle and probably isn't hearing any of the slagging he's getting in places like here.

Nevermind_ · 17-05-2011 06:56PM

Alas, you have no statistics to support your hyperbole. Nice rant, nevertheless.[/QUOTE]

Neither do you.

Its not scientific in any way but try typing eirigi into google realtime and see the comments on twitter.
whether you would like to admit it or not you are very firmly in the minority in this country in your views on the visit.

Personally I have no problem with the protests as long as they are peaceful and dignified. Unfortunately, they are neither.

El Horseboxo · 17-05-2011 06:56PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Good one:rolleyes:. Seriously though. How can you side with a group that can be quite clearly seen to be made up of Dublin's heroin addicts and the scumbags who attack Irish people and foreign people in Dublin's streets every day? How? Did you look at these pictures and say "they represent me" and "those are my type of people"?

Their group is far from made up of those types you describe. I know plenty of them and have been to plenty of their events around the country. By events i mean quizzes to raise money, forums and workshops, etc. Their members are heavily vetted and you can't just join in the way you could with SF or RSF youth. The junkie crowd you see that join in on their protests are because they are usually the ones that are floating about and would join in on anything. To say that is all they are is a very ignorant and ill informed view. You think the media don't carefully select the pictures that end up in papers?

Wolfe Tone · 17-05-2011 06:57PM

Release Files on Dundalk bomb
May 17th 2011 Release Files on Dundalk bomb - Adams In the course of Leaders Questions today Sinn Fein President and Louth and East Meath TD Gerry Adams asked the Taoiseach if he will raise the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the bomb attack in Crowe Street, Dundalk, outside Kay’s Tavern and other attacks in this jurisdiction, with the British Prime Minister David Cameron when he meets him this week. Mr. Adams also asked if the Taoiseach is prepared to ask Mr. Cameron to release the files on these incidents that the British government has in its possession but which it refused to provide to the Barron Inquiry. The Sinn Féin leader said: “This morning I attended a commemoration in Dublin, to mark the anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombs on May 17th 1974 which left 34 people dead. It was the worst atrocity during the decades of conflict. The ceremony also remembered those other victims of attacks in this jurisdiction, including Jack Rooney and Hugh Watters who were killed in a car bomb attack on Kay’s Tavern in Crowe Street in the centre of Dundalk town in December 1975. Many others were injured. The building itself was completely demolished by the explosion, and extensive damage was caused to parked vehicles and neighbouring buildings. A committee of the Dáil which examined this and other cases concluded: ‘We are dealing with acts of international terrorism that were colluded in by the British security forces.’ And three years ago the Dáil passed a unanimous motion asking the British government to release all documents relating to this incident. The British government refused. On the day the Queen of England visits this part of Ireland the families have asked that the British government release the files. “ The Sinn Féin leader also raised with the Taoiseach the creation of an Independent International Truth Commission. He said: “I regret that the Taoiseach did not grasp the opportunity of today’s debate to support my proposal that the Irish and British governments should invite a reputable and independent international body to establish the creation of an Independent International Truth Commission as part of a viable truth recovery process. Genuine national reconciliation, an inclusive healing process and the closure which victims, victim’s families and survivors deserve, demands that all of us have to pledge ourselves to tell and to hear the truth about the past. For my part I would actively encourage republicans to co-operate with such a process.

If we are serious about moving on, about healing old wounds, something like that need to happen. People need the truth, people deserve the truth and an acknowledgement at the least of what happened, from both sides. Then people can have a sense of closure and can move on.

Inviting the queen over and playing happy families (by locking down Dublin) and accusing everyone who brings up outstanding issues such as the Dublin/Monaghan bombing as having a chip or living in the past is not helpful.

Deus Ex Machina · 17-05-2011 06:57PM

I had no interest in the Queen's visit, or the debate surrounding it, but I watched some of the coverage today and I thought it was fantastic. It was a celebration of our nation, and an exhibition of Ireland's best features, which can now hopefully include a modern perspective informed by a rich heritage.

Super-Rush · 17-05-2011 06:57PM

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Sssshhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Jesus you are an idiot, its easier just to mock the appearance of the protesters in an ad hominem attack rather than consider that there may actually be an issue that they are píssed off about.

Sure werent they wearing Celtic jerseys and all junkies and jobless. :rolleyes:

Do not post in this thread again. Any further questions can be asked in pm.

Amhran Nua · 17-05-2011 06:57PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Ireland is being shown around the World at the moment so of course people can get embarrassed by thugs carrying on, and writing in bold doesn't give you special powers or make your point more vaild....unless you're a mod.

Helps to stand out a bit. And that is how it works.

I did not vote for these people.

I did not enable these people.

I did not support these people.

I did not join these people.

I hold exactly zero personal responsibility for whatever antics they get up to, and I don't care who wants to blame me for them.

ejmaztec · 17-05-2011 06:58PM

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Yeah pop quiz time folks, how many WW2/Nazi shows are there typically on British television?

But people over there don't treat them as if they're today's news from the BBC.

The Waltzing Consumer · 17-05-2011 06:58PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Where's your evidence that they were "junkies" and "scum"? Let's stick to what you know, not what stereotype you'd prefer. There's an irony in accusing protesters of being essentially unreasonable when their opponents here are making all sorts of unsubstantiated claims against them.

Way to miss the numbers. A few hundred, if even, protested. A few million went to work and had no objection. Statistics there ya go.

Micky Dolenz · 17-05-2011 06:58PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Micky have you seen the posts Seanchai has written in response to me?

I don't mean to be rude but please just look at them, he's accused me of all sorts and been condscending toward me.

Report Posts you find to offend.

PM would have been better to question me.

Banned.

Wolfe Tone · 17-05-2011 06:58PM

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Americans wouldn't dump their flags in the street.

We dont know how the Gardaí got the flags. All we know is that they threw them in the bin.

Seanchai · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

WhiteRussian wrote: »

I only caught the highlights on the Six One news and I must admit that I did well up as I watched. The significance of the occasion really only dawned on me as I watched her give the inspection of the army and the two anthems were played. The tears were not anger or sadness at what I was watching, but pride, pride to be part of this country that went through so much for its independence to be where it is today.

Yeah, the economy's fucked for decades, your wages/social welfare are/is going to decrease, there's going to be extensive social disharmony - but, hey, the plebs have got a distraction, the same plebs who are calling the anti-monarchy protesters "morons", "idiots" and "stupid". Now that's irony.

hondasam · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

Anyone for Tea ?

IngazZagni · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Eirigi and the likes ARE an embarresment to the country but that's another thread.

There you go again twisting my words and presuming to know what I am thinking. Arrogant self-righteous idiot!

No I don't think I am misguided in think that the visit is a step forward and living in the past has proven time and time again to cause only pain and suffering.

The misguided ones are those who would incite violence against an 85 year old woman and 90 year old man.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Don't post in this thread again.

Apart from the bolded part I don't see what's wrong with the comment. It's opinionated but surely you are not trying to censor that?

prinz · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Where's your evidence that they were "junkies" and "scum"? .

Junkies no, scum plenty. Caught on video for all to watch over and over. Did you not watch the news?

southsiderosie · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I agree it was a disgrace if flags were ditched, but you didnt answer my question, what would happen if an American cop was photographed throwing American flags in the bin like that?

But that would be unlikely both because of the way most Americans treat the flag, and because the cops don't clean up after protesters. If there was ever a photo in the NY Times showing street cleaners throwing flags in a dump truck after a protest, people would be outraged that the protesters left the flags out to be chucked in the bin.

Wolfe Tone · 17-05-2011 06:59PM

hondasam wrote: »

Anyone for Tea ?

Yes, although I didnt get any earlier

Chris P. Bacon · 17-05-2011 07:00PM

hondasam wrote: »

Anyone for Tea ?

Id love a cup

prinz · 17-05-2011 07:00PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Yeah, the economy's fucked for decades, your wages/social welfare are/is going to decrease, there's going to be extensive social disharmony - but, hey, the plebs have got a distraction, the same plebs who are calling the anti-monarchy protesters "morons", "idiots" and "stupid". Now that's irony.

Maybe you could refresh my mind, where was the fighting with gardaí when Prince Albert of Monaco was here?

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