How much do you think I should get paid?

I'd say pay is around correct if you were a private sector worker,(23k-25k) Low skilled job 3 years experience, but you would be working 37.5 hours at min.

That fact that your in the civil service, I'd include you pension when it comes to your remuneration because you don't have to provide that for yourself. I'd say you are overpaid, especially given the level of hours and holidays you get.

€14.90 a week for in pension payments is nothing when compared to what you really should be paying for it. If you stay at your level for the next 40 years you'll only put in around €31k and you'll get that back with from your lump sum alone (37.5k), never mind your pension payments. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

sollar wrote: »

Taking home €387 is on the margins i think. I wouldn't put i a full week for any less to be honest.

I can see now where the people deciding on public service renumeration came up with the figures. Any less in this country would be a piss poor wage.

Ah yes the PS sense of entitlement, so you consider that someone earning nearly twice the minimum wage is on a piss poor wage, it says it all about your attitude and your other PS brethren.

We don't need the govt or media to stir up Private Vs Public debates, it's posts like yours that make people want to see your wages slashed.

I was in town the other night and some drunk guy came up lamenting his job. As far as I could tell he had been fired and he asked me 'Do you think I do my job OK? Do you think I should be fired?' I told him I didn't know, but based on the fact that I hadn't seen him do any work (I didn't know this person) of course he should be fired.

This was of course quite silly and facetious but my point is, OP, I don't know you, I don't know what you do, more importantly, I don't know how well you do it. So I'm ill equipped to fairly judge how much you should be paid.

Going based on surface analysis though, it seems a bit high, but this is probably just my warped view. To elaborate, I worked for €200 per week (40 hr work week) for 6 months last year and lived quite comfortably. This summer I am entering a position with a large business, following the completion of my four year degree and I will begin at €24k per annum. Which seems great to me =D

So that's my background and that's why I was a bit surprised by some of the views on this thread and by your pay for 'unskilled' work as it were. But I'm sticking with the warning that I don't know you and if you feel you're worth the money, fair enough, you'd certainly know better than me =D

Head The Wall wrote: »

You keep harping on about the fact that 10 years of contributions will get you the COAP but don't mention the fact that most people will be contributing all their working life so your statement is a bit of a red herring.

Where's the evidence that that "most" private sector people pay Class A PRSI all their working lives. I can think of several scenarios where someone would get a full COAP having only contributed the minimum. Immigrants (maybe returning Irish). People who spend some of their career employed and some self employed.

You can harp on yourself but the fact remains that the minimum for a full COAP is 10 years while a civil servant needs 40 years service paying superannuation, PRSI, widows and orphans and now, the pension levy.

There's no need to be subtracting something they don't get

There is when they pay the same (or more, see above 10 vs 40 year comment) PRSI as a private sector worker.

The govt gives the staff member whatever the PRSI contribution is in their wages and takes it back again so there is effectively a nil transaction, it's a paperwork exercise

Ah the old "PS workers don't pay tax it's just an accounting exercise" chestnut :rolleyes:

Head The Wall wrote: »

Also PS workers don't receive the PS pension less the OAP, they receive the PS pension and that's it. There's no need to be subtracting something they don't get, have you considered the fact that a PS worker doesn't actually make a PRSI contribution. The govt gives the staff member whatever the PRSI contribution is in their wages and takes it back again so there is effectively a nil transaction, it's a paperwork exercise

Okay, lets break this down a bit - you are being exceptionally unfair.
1. The PS pension is made up of the OAP (which almost all pensioners get - no matter what their means) and a portion of pension from their public service time.
2. Of course a public sector worker (post 95 I believe of which there are a large percentage at this stage) make the same PRSI contribution as everyone else who works.
3. By the logic you display there you may as well say public servants dont pay tax either - its a paperwork exercise.
4. Give me one country in the world where that system is different (ie there isnt this "paperwork exercise".


You're logic stinks tbh Head the Wall. Saying what you said there is like saying - you know what why pay childrens allowance - why just cut the parents tax bill by that much every year and extrapolate that out across the board. It might make sense in some eyes.

sollar wrote: »

What annoys me is the level of mud slung at public servants. And then the moment one says anything remotely smart or haughty they are accused of all sorts. As if.. how dare they speak back, stand up for themselves or get a little peeved at the constant attacks and belittling.

Ah but public servants should know their place not to speak out. As we've learned from this thread they are monkeys, sub human in other words. Shut your mouth and do my photocopying, monkey.

If civil servants such as the OP are monkeys, what species does this make those who didn't even manage to pass the Public Appointmnets aptitude test?

kippy wrote: »

Okay, lets break this down a bit - you are being exceptionally unfair.
1. The PS pension is made up of the OAP (which almost all pensioners get - no matter what their means) and a portion of pension from their public service time.
2. Of course a public sector worker (post 95 I believe of which there are a large percentage at this stage) make the same PRSI contribution as everyone else who works.
3. By the logic you display there you may as well say public servants dont pay tax either - its a paperwork exercise.
4. Give me one country in the world where that system is different (ie there isnt this "paperwork exercise".


You're logic stinks tbh Head the Wall. Saying what you said there is like saying - you know what why pay childrens allowance - why just cut the parents tax bill by that much every year and extrapolate that out across the board. It might make sense in some eyes.

I'm not of the belief that the PS pension is made up of the OAP and the PS pension so we'll have to differ on opinion there unless you can furnish some contractual documents from the govt stating that the pension is made up the OAP and the pension contributions staff make.

I have no problem admitting my mistakes if shown to be wrong. As Later10 pointed out above PRSI covers more than pension contributions.

Pension Calculation:
Pension is calculated as follows:

(a)
For that part of the employee’s pensionable remuneration which is less
than or equal to 31/3 times the current rate of CSP, 1/200th of
pensionable remuneration multiplied by the number of years of
reckonable service
plus

(b)
For any part of the employee’s Pensionable Remuneration which
exceeds 31/3 times CSP, 1/80th of pensionable remuneration multiplied
by the number of years of reckonable service
A multiplier of 3.333333 (i.e. 6 decimal places) is used to calculate 31/3 times
CSP.

The maximum number of years of reckonable service is 40.

The CSP rate is the maximum Contributory State Pension payable by the
Department of Social and Family Affairs to a single person without
dependants on the last day of the employee’s pensionable service.

BrianD3 wrote: »

It's tax free when you "draw" it. A fat payment into your hand which should satisfy people's craving for a "big payout"..

Of course its "tax free " when I draw because they already took the tax on the money and any interest I earned on it, ego its not a tax free lump sum as you claimed.

Head The Wall wrote: »

Ah yes the PS sense of entitlement, so you consider that someone earning nearly twice the minimum wage is on a piss poor wage, it says it all about your attitude and your other PS brethren

€387 a week looks more like twice the dole to me than twice the minimum wage?