hertz have some cheek

Chnandler Bong · 15-05-2011 03:05AM

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

What an idiotic post!

matamoros1965 · 15-05-2011 12:30PM

Some of the comments about graduates who have no experience is taken directly from the idea put out by employers who say that a new recruit will have nothing to offer. The idea goes something like, " we got a guy in here with a Masters and he couldn't even use a fax " Employers organisations have now got that idea out there and therefore it lowers the perception of the value of any new hire. Anyone who comes to any organisation has something to contribute, it's wrong I feel to say that the new hire should work for less than the minimum wage. When I worked in car rental, the majority of my colleagues were third level graduates and 90% were hard working, able and quick learners, they all contributed from day one. Most went on to way better things than working in car rental.

A person who values themselves shouldn't work for a business for free, some other causes are worth working for free for but not a company in the Fortune 500.

The Waltzing Consumer · 15-05-2011 12:54PM

Internships are a great way of getting experience. HOWEVER, an unpaid internship over three months is not an internship, that is a joke. Unpaid internships should be based on the idea of students working during the summer getting experience. Whilst it is fair to argue it should be unpaid, decent companies will provide a stipend so the student is not out of pocket.

To defend this particular example is ludicrous. Hertz are not looking to help a graduate/unemployed person, they simply want to reduce costs, have some guy do their work for free, at the end of six months, out the door, next guy in for free. Go on jobs.ie and you will always see the same companies and this sh**. Off the top of my head, Public Affairs Ireland, Tour America, Amnesty are some of the biggest offenders I have seen. Six months, no money? F**k off.

Coriolanus · 15-05-2011 12:58PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Amnesty

Ironic. I always knew those bleeding hearts were up to no good. :pac:

The Waltzing Consumer · 15-05-2011 01:04PM

Nevore wrote: »

Ironic. I always knew those bleeding hearts were up to no good. :pac:

Ha, yeah, they are evil do-gooders. But seriously, NGOs and charities are some of the worst offenders with this. If it is a few weeks up to three months, that is fine, but these guys want people to work full time for 6 months+ for nothing. Imagine being in an office, everyone around you doing the same work, you are the bum who gets nothing. Soul destroying.

For Forks Sake · 15-05-2011 01:32PM

Nevore wrote: »

Ironic. I always knew those bleeding hearts were up to no good. :pac:

Colm O'Gorman has to keep lining his pockets, no time for paying people

losthorizon · 15-05-2011 02:03PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oMGC80_x-U

TheBucks · 15-05-2011 02:13PM

some employers will try anything - what a joke!

aidan24326 · 16-05-2011 01:51PM

HellFireClub wrote: »

Ahhh...

Not sure what you mean by that?

Nothingbetter2d · 16-05-2011 02:21PM

surely interships should be covered by the minimum wage act?

syklops · 16-05-2011 02:22PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

surely interships should be covered by the minimum wage act?

Yeah but then it wouldn't be an internship, would it?

Duggy747 · 16-05-2011 02:32PM

I'm finished my 9 month contract as a IT Technician in 2 weeks time, I bloody well enjoyed it and got back on top of things after being out of the IT loop for more than a year. Got my Comptia certs completed last year, too.

Funny, the previous 2 paying IT tech jobs I had didn't quite give me the level of experience I got from this current job. I was a sole techie in those jobs too but in this current one I got to cover a wider spectrum which involved things like heavy web design and I designed and created our ID card system as well as creating and intergrating a database for it with our main system. Heh shìt, I'd have never touched such things like that in my previous jobs. Also made it sweeter considering I had next to no experience creating an ID card system and low experience with databasing. :pac:

For an IT techie living in the west of the country the jobs are farely scarce in my area of work. They're becoming more frequent lately but there's a derranged criteria that a lot of companies look for. The latest one I saw was they were looking for a Desktop Technician to work on €23,000 but must have a BSc Degree from a 4 year university and 5-6 years experience "working in a similiar role"

hardCopy · 16-05-2011 02:43PM

Jezzabelle wrote: »

They are hiring. They are just not willing to pay the staff they are hiring.

Yes it would no doubt look good for an IT graduate to have on their CV that they worked for Intel. However, it does not mean that they should be expected to do a job for absolutely no renumeration either. It's exploitation pure and simple.

No it's not. Nobody has to take these jobs. It's a chance for a few grads to fill a hole in their CV. Pure and simple.

It's long been standard practice in charity, fashion, legal, marketing and PR sectors.

It's a sad situation that these graduates have to go to lengths that were previously only necessary in more desirable fields. But with unemployment at current levels it's just another way for grads to differentiate themselves and get a bit more experience than their classmates.

I know of at least two people who have gotten permanent jobs off the back of a successful WPP, neither of these positions would have been created without the WPP and both were made permanent based on the staff being too good to let go at the end.

Unhappy_Chappy · 25-05-2011 01:05AM

Well this is a turn up for the books? I'm currently 2 days into a 4 weeks WPP with Hertz in the midlands area as a collection/delivery driver as the current state of affairs here in terms of employment is shocking. I'm now literally working a 9 hour daily shift which can quite possibly work out to be a 45 hour week (not including saturdays, which they may want me to work) for nothing!

I enjoy work and would love to be back working full-time (paid of course) but I have recently found it VERY difficult to find employment. It's just the underhanded way how all of this is dealt with that's disheartening.

Hertz have recently laid off two full-time workers and 'apparently' taken on two more drivers full-time. One WPP driver after 2 weeks and another 2 weeks free trial driver making me the fourth. I have noticed that the three paid drivers now have the liberty to exchange one day a week off now that I'm there to fill in for free. I know there's no chance of employment at the end and I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place at the minute and BOTH parties know this.

Hertz are not stupid in how they are going about this either, This is the FAS conditions:

Eligibility Criteria:

If you wish to register your interest in this programme, you should be aware of the following essential criteria:

The business currently must have no vacancies in the area of activity in which the placement is offered

The placement cannot be provided to displace an existing employee

The business must not have made any person redundant in the last 3 months

The business must be fully compliant with current workplace health and safety and all other legal requirements

The business must be a legal entity

Hertz had fired two original workers and replaced one with a WPP after 3 months and another with a work trial AFTER hiring the WPP first as not to break the rules... Heres where I come in, I'm placed on a WPP 3 months after the first WPP and I wouldn't be surprised if it was 3 months to the day. coincidence?

I suppose I'll just ride the 4 weeks out as I'm almost certain I will not have a full-time position at the end.

Well, I best be off... I have to deliver some cars in the morning.:rolleyes:

Jesus Wept · 25-05-2011 01:13AM

It's a disgrace and there is a lot of it going on and the government are encouraging it, ****ing *****.

Noreen1 · 25-05-2011 02:47AM

The-Rigger wrote: »

It's a disgrace and there is a lot of it going on and the government are encouraging it, ****ing *****.

+1000.

At this point, I'm beginning to seriously wonder whether our Government is deliberately pushing us towards default.

This ridiculous scheme is already being abused, and will be abused further by firms with an eye on R.O.I., and no concern for their employees, or the Country.

The end result will be the Government paying welfare for an ever-increasing number of people, a lower tax intake, since those "employed" in these schemes will not be earning a wage - and less disposable income to spend in the local economy, leading to - yet more unemployment, and a higher welfare bill - the exact opposite of what I would expect a jobs initiative to achieve.

It is nothing but a recipe for a downward spiral in the economy.

I've never made any attempt to disguise my dislike of Michael Noonan (Bridget McCole, RIP).
However, he is not a fool, imo, and only a fool would think that this "Jobs initiative" would have a positive effect on the economy.

Hence the question needs to be asked - what exactly does he intend to achieve?
Default, coming close enough to default to force the IMF/EU to offer more favourable terms - or has he another agenda?

watna · 25-05-2011 04:50AM

Threads like this freak me out

Are things really that bad?

If it was for people with no work experience at all then I could understand but asking for people with previous HR/Admin experience and then not paying them for the honest work they're doing, that just seems wrong.

Unhappy_Chappy · 25-05-2011 08:01AM

I think things are a lot worse than I originally thought. I have a few more question to ask the other drivers which I will ask today before I make a post when I get back, but I think you're in for a big shock on how hertz is treating its existing employees over favouring WPP work.

If I'm correct in what I think is going on then hertz should be ashamed quite frankly, and this whole WPP is causing more harm than good.

stupidusername · 25-05-2011 08:35AM

I'm looking to quit mine as it's so ****.i've another one that I want to apply for,it looks like it may be more relevant work.going to apply today.it's 4months,and they're looking for staff at the same time.so I suppose there's a chance i'll get a job after.

Blurt600 · 02-04-2015 12:49PM

"People fresh out of collage (college) are pretty close to useless in the working sector. Full of bad habits, no work ethic, they think they're (their) time in collage (college) is worth more than years of experience actually doing the job. The education part is only half the battle, until they've done the work their (they're) all green horns."

Thanks for the sweeping generalisation.

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hertz have some cheek

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