hertz have some cheek

Nothingbetter2d

Here is a job advert i found from Hertz

now they want people to work for nothing

http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1096280

they have some cheek


Content add for phones, mod

Please note that this is an unpaid work placement however we do contribute €400 per month to your accommodation.

orourkeda

Took ur jobs

ejmaztec

No doubt they'll allow people to drive their cars around for 6 months for free, stingy bastards.

Panda General

Yea it says its work experience, you don't get for work experience i think

bonerm

The frequency of Hertz doing this is increasing over time.

ejmaztec

bonerm wrote: »

The frequency of Hertz doing this is increasing over time.

The Fas site's full of that sh1te as well.

Sykk

It's quite disgusting that these employers want to shell out "work experience", when in fact it's HR crap work that they can't be arsed to pay someone for. The sad thing is - that will get snapped up more than likely as someone will do it just to get themselves out of the house.

Sick.

slavetothegrind

absolutely disgraceful and should be illegal if it's not.

i sincerely hope people have the sense to see this for the exploitation that it is.

Otis Driftwood

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

chin_grin

Bet that mega hurts................


.............f*ckin' clutching at straws at this stage!

karma_

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Nothingbetter2d

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

no it wouldnt cos u would lose the benefits u get on dole.

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on.... and yes cos your "technically working" you get cut off the dole.

its absolute bull****. if u want a job done pay someone to do it.

My name is URL

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to feel entitled to pay.. Companies are increasingly exploiting this initiative and it does more harm than good, imo

ejmaztec

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Yes, the new minimum wage is €0.00 per hour basic, and double-pay for overtime. Welcome to the 19th Century.

opinion guy

slavetothegrind wrote: »

absolutely disgraceful and should be illegal if it's not.

i sincerely hope people have the sense to see this for the exploitation that it is.

This is a good point. Isn't there s thing called minimum wage ? How are Hertz able to do this ?

noxqs

I know someone who worked in Hertz in Swords.

Hertz is a horrible place. Their turnover on staff is astronomical because they don't treat employees like humans. Just little peons who have to reach impossible targets, every day, for minimum wage.

That they now want to get the job done for free, doesn't surprise me after all the horror stories I've heard about them. Pretty much some of the worst I've ever heard of an employer in the EU.

They basically feel their employees should be grateful of having a job at all - which is a cruel way to look at your employees.

chicken fingers

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Sense of entitlement?

If you have good IT skills, are a graduate, speak and write fluent german and english, have experience in HR, and are prepared to live like a pauper for MINIMUM 6 months, etc (they ask for all of this and more), then yes, if you work you ARE entitled to compensation.

This is a joke and a sad one at that.
Feel sorry for anybody desperate enough to go for it.

Nothingbetter2d

boycott hertz car rental when on holidays/work trips........ show them we wont stand for slavery being reintroduced

stupidusername

doing one of these myself. in fact i'm on my lunch break now. sad reality is that there just aren't that many options for people out there any more.

and no I don't have any sense of entitlement, never had. I just want to be able to survive for my working week.

Otis Driftwood

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Right.You are 22,fresh out of college,you got an average degree and have no work experience in your chosen field.There are up on half a million people unemployed,many of which will have experience in your chosen field.There are also hundreds nay thousands of people with the same or similar degree as you and they finished in the top percentile of their graduating class.

You apply for a paid job/graduate position.

Who do you think the companies would be interested in interviewing?

The person with no experience and average passing grades?

Ya,of course they will.
:rolleyes:

The state we are in people need to do whatever is necessary to get ahead,if it means doing an internship to gain practical experience then so be it.I personally know two guys that completed a Masters (in HR funnily enough) last year but couldn't get a job due to lack of real life industry experience.One of them is going to Australia to work in recruitment.The other is doing an internship with a multi national based in Dublin.He lives in Dublin during the week and at the weekend he goes back to his home town and works in a bar to subsidise his living expenses.

Of course its not ideal however when applying for jobs in a few months time,he has real experience.Coupled with the fact that he worked FOC it shows that he is actually interested in the industry and didnt sit around waiting for something to fall into his lap.

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

no it wouldnt cos u would lose the benefits u get on dole.

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on.... and yes cos your "technically working" you get cut off the dole.

its absolute bull****. if u want a job done pay someone to do it.

Alot of these companies can avail of the FAS work placement scheme where the individual gets to keep their full social welfare benefits.

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to feel entitled to pay.. Companies are increasingly exploiting this initiative and it does more harm than good, imo

You could argue the toss that it is exploitative.You could also argue the toss that the companies are giving the people a chance to get experience they wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

Either way,with the amount of grads out there,I can only imagine the amount of applicants that gets.

The_B_Man

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

ScumLord

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on....

I don't think they give you €400 but will pay up to €400. If they give you the €400 it would be all right, I think.

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

boycott hertz car rental when on holidays/work trips........ show them we wont stand for slavery being reintroduced

But they're cheap, obviously that's because they don't pay their staff but still, you get a nice new car.

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Right.You are 22,fresh out of college,you got an average degree and have no work experience in your chosen field.There are up on half a million people unemployed,many of which will have experience in your chosen field.There are also hundreds nay thousands of people with the same or similar degree as you and they finished in the top percentile of their graduating class.

You apply for a paid job/graduate position.

Who do you think the companies would be interested in interviewing?

The person with no experience and average passing grades?

Ya,of course they will.
:rolleyes:

People fresh out of collage are pretty close to useless in the working sector. Full of bad habits, no work ethic, they think they're time in collage is worth more than years of experience actually doing the job. The education part is only half the battle, until they've done the work their all green horns.

prinz

It's a slippery slope. If set-ups like this take off there needs to be a hell of a lot of regulation about when it can be offered etc. If not it won't be long before other businesses are letting staff go, to turn around and replace them with unpaid 'work experience' people.

On the other hand with the way things are I can see why people would take up the opportunities.

My name is URL

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

You could argue the toss that it is exploitative.You could also argue the toss that the companies are giving the people a chance to get experience they wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

I think the point about the position being made available solely to offer people experience is dubious considering

Professional Experience

• Previous administration/HR experience preferred.

Liam Byrne

The_B_Man wrote: »

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

And pay your bills how ?

sherdydan

Thats the problem with this country, everyone expects everything to be easy. If I were trained as a recruitment administrator, and I couldnt get work, I'd be happy to apply for that position.

plein de force

there's absolutely no mention of there being a link to FÁS so i assume they'd loose their benefits if they're on social welfare as they'd be working full time. If they've gone to any good type of business school they'll already have work experience(even that is paid) but the stuff in that ad is well more than what you'd do on a work experience placement. Absolutely crazy. Yes you do some type of unpaid work experience at some point but not having any type of pay for 6 months(that 400 is just rent) is mental. If not accepting being exploited for 6 months is the same as having a sense of entitlement then i expect the whole of the workforce has one

HellFireClub

In fairness, if you look at it from the position of the applicant:

188 Euro a week

Plus 50 Euro a week from the state on the newly announced internship program

Plus 400 Euro a month (100 Euro a week), tax free as it is an expense payment as opposed to a salary.

That's 338 Euro a week in your hand.

As someone who has recently come out of the hellhole of 188 Euro a week, if you are offered 188 Euro a week to be basically imprisioned in your own house because you haven't a cent to do anything or go anywhere, or 338 Euro a week to have some semblance of normality back in your life, where hope can maybe be restored, and you never know, with 338 Euro a week you might even be able to afford to go for a pint at the weekend...

If the opportunity was put in front of me, I'd have taken the hand off someone for these terms, but you'd have to have been in club 188 really I think to "get it"!

aidan24326

HellFireClub wrote: »

In fairness, if you look at it from the position of the applicant:

188 Euro a week

Plus 50 Euro a week from the state on the newly announced internship program

Plus 400 Euro a month (100 Euro a week), tax free as it is an expense payment as opposed to a salary.

That's 338 Euro a week in your hand.

As someone who has recently come out of the hellhole of 188 Euro a week, if you are offered 188 Euro a week to be basically imprisioned in your own house because you haven't a cent to do anything or go anywhere, or 338 Euro a week to have some semblance of normality back in your life, where hope can maybe be restored, and you never know, with 338 Euro a week you might even be able to afford to go for a pint at the weekend...

If the opportunity was put in front of me, I'd have taken the hand off someone for these terms, but you'd have to have been in club 188 really I think to "get it"!

You're missing a very important part of this. That it's NOT an official FAS placement, there's no mention of FAS at all in the job ad. So you'd presumably lose your dole belefits and any rent allownace or anything that you were getting. So you'd effectively be losing money!!

People should actually boycott these kind of jobs completely. Now I know people will say yeah but I need some experience etc, but that's what employers are hoping you'll say and they're exploiting the fcuk out of the current situation. Taking the p1ss basically.

giant_midget

I worked for these guys in that services centre for 4 years from 1999 to 2003. I worked in their accounting dept and had a good position there...even still my wages at the time were ok...Then when i left i found myself jumping into a job with an extra 7k pa! which was the going rate for my position..

The moral of the story is that down in Hertz in swords it's like a little planet with all these peasant workers living in a bubble...outside that bubble other companies are way more flexible. Quite a lot of un needed red tape in Hertz, it annoyed the hell out of me..When i think of my time there it was just 4 WASTED years....would never go back even if it was my only option!!

Noreen1

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........