hertz have some cheek

Nothingbetter2d

Here is a job advert i found from Hertz

now they want people to work for nothing

http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1096280

they have some cheek


Content add for phones, mod

Please note that this is an unpaid work placement however we do contribute €400 per month to your accommodation.

orourkeda

Took ur jobs

ejmaztec

No doubt they'll allow people to drive their cars around for 6 months for free, stingy bastards.

Panda General

Yea it says its work experience, you don't get for work experience i think

bonerm

The frequency of Hertz doing this is increasing over time.

ejmaztec

bonerm wrote: »

The frequency of Hertz doing this is increasing over time.

The Fas site's full of that sh1te as well.

Sykk

It's quite disgusting that these employers want to shell out "work experience", when in fact it's HR crap work that they can't be arsed to pay someone for. The sad thing is - that will get snapped up more than likely as someone will do it just to get themselves out of the house.

Sick.

slavetothegrind

absolutely disgraceful and should be illegal if it's not.

i sincerely hope people have the sense to see this for the exploitation that it is.

Otis Driftwood

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

chin_grin

Bet that mega hurts................


.............f*ckin' clutching at straws at this stage!

karma_

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Nothingbetter2d

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

no it wouldnt cos u would lose the benefits u get on dole.

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on.... and yes cos your "technically working" you get cut off the dole.

its absolute bull****. if u want a job done pay someone to do it.

My name is URL

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to feel entitled to pay.. Companies are increasingly exploiting this initiative and it does more harm than good, imo

ejmaztec

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Yes, the new minimum wage is €0.00 per hour basic, and double-pay for overtime. Welcome to the 19th Century.

opinion guy

slavetothegrind wrote: »

absolutely disgraceful and should be illegal if it's not.

i sincerely hope people have the sense to see this for the exploitation that it is.

This is a good point. Isn't there s thing called minimum wage ? How are Hertz able to do this ?

noxqs

I know someone who worked in Hertz in Swords.

Hertz is a horrible place. Their turnover on staff is astronomical because they don't treat employees like humans. Just little peons who have to reach impossible targets, every day, for minimum wage.

That they now want to get the job done for free, doesn't surprise me after all the horror stories I've heard about them. Pretty much some of the worst I've ever heard of an employer in the EU.

They basically feel their employees should be grateful of having a job at all - which is a cruel way to look at your employees.

chicken fingers

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Sense of entitlement?

If you have good IT skills, are a graduate, speak and write fluent german and english, have experience in HR, and are prepared to live like a pauper for MINIMUM 6 months, etc (they ask for all of this and more), then yes, if you work you ARE entitled to compensation.

This is a joke and a sad one at that.
Feel sorry for anybody desperate enough to go for it.

Nothingbetter2d

boycott hertz car rental when on holidays/work trips........ show them we wont stand for slavery being reintroduced

stupidusername

doing one of these myself. in fact i'm on my lunch break now. sad reality is that there just aren't that many options for people out there any more.

and no I don't have any sense of entitlement, never had. I just want to be able to survive for my working week.

Otis Driftwood

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

Right.You are 22,fresh out of college,you got an average degree and have no work experience in your chosen field.There are up on half a million people unemployed,many of which will have experience in your chosen field.There are also hundreds nay thousands of people with the same or similar degree as you and they finished in the top percentile of their graduating class.

You apply for a paid job/graduate position.

Who do you think the companies would be interested in interviewing?

The person with no experience and average passing grades?

Ya,of course they will.
:rolleyes:

The state we are in people need to do whatever is necessary to get ahead,if it means doing an internship to gain practical experience then so be it.I personally know two guys that completed a Masters (in HR funnily enough) last year but couldn't get a job due to lack of real life industry experience.One of them is going to Australia to work in recruitment.The other is doing an internship with a multi national based in Dublin.He lives in Dublin during the week and at the weekend he goes back to his home town and works in a bar to subsidise his living expenses.

Of course its not ideal however when applying for jobs in a few months time,he has real experience.Coupled with the fact that he worked FOC it shows that he is actually interested in the industry and didnt sit around waiting for something to fall into his lap.

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

no it wouldnt cos u would lose the benefits u get on dole.

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on.... and yes cos your "technically working" you get cut off the dole.

its absolute bull****. if u want a job done pay someone to do it.

Alot of these companies can avail of the FAS work placement scheme where the individual gets to keep their full social welfare benefits.

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to feel entitled to pay.. Companies are increasingly exploiting this initiative and it does more harm than good, imo

You could argue the toss that it is exploitative.You could also argue the toss that the companies are giving the people a chance to get experience they wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

Either way,with the amount of grads out there,I can only imagine the amount of applicants that gets.

The_B_Man

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

ScumLord

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

€400 accomodation allowance per month is not enuff to live on....

I don't think they give you €400 but will pay up to €400. If they give you the €400 it would be all right, I think.

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

boycott hertz car rental when on holidays/work trips........ show them we wont stand for slavery being reintroduced

But they're cheap, obviously that's because they don't pay their staff but still, you get a nice new car.

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Right.You are 22,fresh out of college,you got an average degree and have no work experience in your chosen field.There are up on half a million people unemployed,many of which will have experience in your chosen field.There are also hundreds nay thousands of people with the same or similar degree as you and they finished in the top percentile of their graduating class.

You apply for a paid job/graduate position.

Who do you think the companies would be interested in interviewing?

The person with no experience and average passing grades?

Ya,of course they will.
:rolleyes:

People fresh out of collage are pretty close to useless in the working sector. Full of bad habits, no work ethic, they think they're time in collage is worth more than years of experience actually doing the job. The education part is only half the battle, until they've done the work their all green horns.

prinz

It's a slippery slope. If set-ups like this take off there needs to be a hell of a lot of regulation about when it can be offered etc. If not it won't be long before other businesses are letting staff go, to turn around and replace them with unpaid 'work experience' people.

On the other hand with the way things are I can see why people would take up the opportunities.

My name is URL

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

You could argue the toss that it is exploitative.You could also argue the toss that the companies are giving the people a chance to get experience they wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

I think the point about the position being made available solely to offer people experience is dubious considering

Professional Experience

• Previous administration/HR experience preferred.

Liam Byrne

The_B_Man wrote: »

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

And pay your bills how ?

sherdydan

Thats the problem with this country, everyone expects everything to be easy. If I were trained as a recruitment administrator, and I couldnt get work, I'd be happy to apply for that position.

plein de force

there's absolutely no mention of there being a link to FÁS so i assume they'd loose their benefits if they're on social welfare as they'd be working full time. If they've gone to any good type of business school they'll already have work experience(even that is paid) but the stuff in that ad is well more than what you'd do on a work experience placement. Absolutely crazy. Yes you do some type of unpaid work experience at some point but not having any type of pay for 6 months(that 400 is just rent) is mental. If not accepting being exploited for 6 months is the same as having a sense of entitlement then i expect the whole of the workforce has one

HellFireClub

In fairness, if you look at it from the position of the applicant:

188 Euro a week

Plus 50 Euro a week from the state on the newly announced internship program

Plus 400 Euro a month (100 Euro a week), tax free as it is an expense payment as opposed to a salary.

That's 338 Euro a week in your hand.

As someone who has recently come out of the hellhole of 188 Euro a week, if you are offered 188 Euro a week to be basically imprisioned in your own house because you haven't a cent to do anything or go anywhere, or 338 Euro a week to have some semblance of normality back in your life, where hope can maybe be restored, and you never know, with 338 Euro a week you might even be able to afford to go for a pint at the weekend...

If the opportunity was put in front of me, I'd have taken the hand off someone for these terms, but you'd have to have been in club 188 really I think to "get it"!

aidan24326

HellFireClub wrote: »

In fairness, if you look at it from the position of the applicant:

188 Euro a week

Plus 50 Euro a week from the state on the newly announced internship program

Plus 400 Euro a month (100 Euro a week), tax free as it is an expense payment as opposed to a salary.

That's 338 Euro a week in your hand.

As someone who has recently come out of the hellhole of 188 Euro a week, if you are offered 188 Euro a week to be basically imprisioned in your own house because you haven't a cent to do anything or go anywhere, or 338 Euro a week to have some semblance of normality back in your life, where hope can maybe be restored, and you never know, with 338 Euro a week you might even be able to afford to go for a pint at the weekend...

If the opportunity was put in front of me, I'd have taken the hand off someone for these terms, but you'd have to have been in club 188 really I think to "get it"!

You're missing a very important part of this. That it's NOT an official FAS placement, there's no mention of FAS at all in the job ad. So you'd presumably lose your dole belefits and any rent allownace or anything that you were getting. So you'd effectively be losing money!!

People should actually boycott these kind of jobs completely. Now I know people will say yeah but I need some experience etc, but that's what employers are hoping you'll say and they're exploiting the fcuk out of the current situation. Taking the p1ss basically.

giant_midget

I worked for these guys in that services centre for 4 years from 1999 to 2003. I worked in their accounting dept and had a good position there...even still my wages at the time were ok...Then when i left i found myself jumping into a job with an extra 7k pa! which was the going rate for my position..

The moral of the story is that down in Hertz in swords it's like a little planet with all these peasant workers living in a bubble...outside that bubble other companies are way more flexible. Quite a lot of un needed red tape in Hertz, it annoyed the hell out of me..When i think of my time there it was just 4 WASTED years....would never go back even if it was my only option!!

Noreen1

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

Jesus I thought most people would have gotten over this sense of entitlement that was prevalent for a number of years.Just cos you have a degree doesn't entitle you to jack shít.

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........

HellFireClub

aidan24326 wrote: »

You're missing a very important part of this. That it's NOT an official FAS placement, there's no mention of FAS at all in the job ad. So you'd presumably lose your dole belefits and any rent allownace or anything that you were getting. So you'd effectively be losing money!!

People should actually boycott these kind of jobs completely. Now I know people will say yeah but I need some experience etc, but that's what employers are hoping you'll say and they're exploiting the fcuk out of the current situation. Taking the p1ss basically.

Ahhh...

emeraldstar

opinion guy wrote: »

This is a good point. Isn't there s thing called minimum wage ? How are Hertz able to do this ?

Why single out Hertz? In some industries internships are par for the course and pretty much the only way to get your foot in the door. An internship where the intern is taken seriously, and given knowledge and training, is invaluable if its a career area you really want to get into. The experience gained is deemed "wage" enough, I guess.

In saying that though, it does look like what Hertz is looking for here is pretty much just someone to do the boring admin tasks, rather than offering a proper training experience...

Otis Driftwood

Noreen1 wrote: »

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........

I never said it did to be fair.What I said is its giving people a chance to get some practical,real life industry experience.

People dont have to apply for it but I know that given the choice of sitting around doing nothing or doing unpaid work experience,I know what I and likely a helluva lot more people would rather.

Am I right in thinking that graduates arent entitled to any/much social welfare?

Id also reckon that there are masses of grads in the Dublin area,still living at home so the issue of having to pay rent,living expenses etc would be a non runner for alot of people.

Some are just looking for excuses at this stage I feel.

To repeat myself,its not ideal,of course its not,however with unemployment as it is,and the jobs pool for HR positions been terribly small,it really would be the only option for alot of folks.

Coriolanus

I don't see the problem.

IF you want to apply, apply. If you don't, don't.

There's too many unemployed at a moment, if you try going for a salaried position with even a couple years experience under your belt, they'll plum for the thirty something who's been working in the field a decade or more.

holystungun9

chin_grin wrote: »

Bet that mega hurts................


.............f*ckin' clutching at straws at this stage!

I like what you did here. And for that you get a thanks.

the_syco

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

If the company has enough money to take on 2 new people, why bother when you can get 6 people for free? They'll make more money for your company, since, well, you ain't paying them...!

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

The other is doing an internship with a multi national based in Dublin.

Good to hear. Please note that you get valuable experience stocking shelves in your local supermarket as part of this "great" WPP scheme... :rolleyes:

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

He lives in Dublin during the week and at the weekend he goes back to his home town and works in a bar to subsidise his living expenses.

You can also get WPP experience working in a bar.

The_B_Man wrote: »

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

My gripe is: there are some jobs which provide you with some knowledge, and there are some jobs that don't. The latter is called exploitation. The latter is what is happening to most of the WPP "jobs".

Nevore wrote: »

I don't see the problem.

IF you want to apply, apply. If you don't, don't.

There's too many unemployed at a moment

Why bother creating a paid job when you can get a stream of people to do it for free by letting them think that they may get a job out of it, but really won't. Heck, I've seen WWP "jobs" for the door-to-door selling crap.

tolosenc

Hold on, since when do I HAVE to get a job in Hertz?

Ray Palmer

This is government sponsored initiative. You can keep your dole while doing it.

Noreen1

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

I never said it did to be fair.What I said is its giving people a chance to get some practical,real life industry experience.

People dont have to apply for it but I know that given the choice of sitting around doing nothing or doing unpaid work experience,I know what I and likely a helluva lot more people would rather.

Am I right in thinking that graduates arent entitled to any/much social welfare?

Id also reckon that there are masses of grads in the Dublin area,still living at home so the issue of having to pay rent,living expenses etc would be a non runner for alot of people.

Some are just looking for excuses at this stage I feel.

To repeat myself,its not ideal,of course its not,however with unemployment as it is,and the jobs pool for HR positions been terribly small,it really would be the only option for alot of folks.

Doesn't the ad. specify that experienced candidates are preferred?

That being the case, it's nothing but sheer exploitation..........

stupidusername

I expect some of the FAS positions are actually some use to people but i'd guess they're a minority. It'd also be a minority those that are living at home and dont have rent etc to pay. My placement is a waste.i've gotten no training and yet am given a huge amount of responsibility that I shouldn't have.half or more of my time is spent doing secretary work,and taking the ****ty jobs off the paid workers so they dont have to pay overtime. Just my experience anyway.

Gunsfortoys

Real experience? It is a job photocopying and making the tea, I would nearly put my house on it.

If you offer employment, you should be paying a wage and no amount of justification for it will suffice.

The fact is they are exploiting people who are desperately out of work and have nothing to hope for. I despise these companies for taking advantage of this economic climate to exploit people.

The_B_Man

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And pay your bills how ?

I have no bills. I'm a student looking for summer work in between years, and still living at home!
Any experience in a relevant field is worth it, regardless of pay.

matamoros1965

I worked in this sector and got to meet a good few staff from Hertz Swords, not one of them were happy to work there.

If people who are fresh out of college and want to be paid, the company I worked for are often recruiting as they have a high staff turnover even now.

I wouldn't wholeheartedly recommend working in that industry but at least you'd be paid and get to drive around in new cars every day! Give it a year and then move on.

The business that I work in now from time to time take on young lads and pay them the minimum as they know jack about our business, the trick is, we train them and then we pay them more when they get skills. Everyone has something to bring to the table and most learn fast.

Knowing the business, I would never recommend using Hertz as a customer, their practices were a subject of inquiry by the great Joe Duffy a year or two ago. If you want to be liar and a con, work in the car rental biz but hey that might be your only option these days. Rant over. I hope this helps.

kelko1916

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

certainly not , but thinking you are entitled to sw payments indefinatly while not doing anything paid or unpaid to improve your job prospects is .

kelko1916

Noreen1 wrote: »

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

snickerpuss

While graduates require experience, what happens once they have worked for free for 9 or so months? There are no jobs because employers can just get the goverment to pay for employees through FAS or people themselves will consent to working for no pay. What happens after an internship when all that's going is more internships?

Why would a business bother to pay staff when they can have an endless supply of extremely well qualified staff that they don't have to pay? I see ads looking for people with honours degrees and professional masters and relevant experience to work for free. That is shocking. All that the government are doing is ensuring there are no jobs.

Forest Master

I could understand people being interested if it was say RTE or Sony or a record label or Ardmore Studios, etc - but a car rental company? Who aspires to work for Hertz? It strikes me as a career people settle for, as opposed to aspire to.

wild_cat

kelko1916 wrote: »

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

Do they have a fas course in spelling and punctuation?

Noreen1

kelko1916 wrote: »

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

A: I'm not unemployed.

B: I fail to see how the Government continuing to pay the equivalent of Unemployment Benefit/Assistance, with a 50 euro per week top-up for good measure, will do anything to help us out of the economic quagmire we are in.

Genuine work experience, with a guaranteed job at the end of it, I could understand - but this....

the_syco

kelko1916 wrote: »

the unemployed in ireland

Step one to ensure massive unemployment: create lots of jobs that don't pay.

Step two to ensure massive unemployment: let the government pay them

Step three to ensure massive unemployment: offer people free to other companies

Step four to ensure massive unemployment: wait for companies to suffer "temporary profit loss" and sack most/all of it's workforce

Step five to ensure massive unemployment: let said company get workers back on under different contracts, mainly ones that don't pay people anything

Step six to ensure massive unemployment: profit for the company, massive loss of revenue to the government.

=-=

After 6 to 9 months, you get let go, you are back on SW, and someone replaces you. The country will not have benefited from any taxes that you earned, only the company that you worked for free for will gain anything...