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Israel murder 12 people throwing stones

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  • #62
    Wild_Dogger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    Cassidy Obnoxious Tonsillitis wrote: »
    Don't have to return like with like, for example if I was on duty and you threw stones at me and threatened to breech a security fence I'd return fire - with bullets!.

    Bloody Sunday anyone ?


  • #63
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    You could say the same about Turkey but we don't give a **** about Turkey.

    Fair point, but I think that not caring at all is a bit much. There's a pretty strong reaction to the notion of Turkey being permitted EU entry, and the general trend for HR violations which were of major concern has been downward.


  • #64
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Wild_Dogger wrote: »
    Bloody Sunday anyone ?

    I'm not in 2 Para, this isn't the Bogside.


  • #65
    mikemac
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    If children were injured or even killed it's their parents who are to blame

    What parents brings children to rush a checkpoint?

    And with the borders being breached in three different areas it seems there may have been planning and coordination to this. Or maybe it was spontaneous anger erupting
    Either way, children should be nowhere near a checkpoint or in an angry crowd

    Even with no response from the IDF, children are easily hurt if a crowd surges forward


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cassidy Obnoxious Tonsillitis wrote: »
    Plus there is a state of emergency in the police state that is Syria these days - if the Syrians want the Golan breeched let them have the balls to do it themselve and stop sending children to do the dirty work for them.

    I doubt the Syrians were behind it. They've been negotiating on it in relative secrecy for the last few years, and are not far off an agreement. Its not in their interests. I'd imagine the only reason they got that far is that theres been redeployment to bump off internal dissenters.


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  • #67
    Mark27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Mark27


    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?


  • #68
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Shower of fúcking scumbags. No doubt they'll pull the antisemitism card once other countries condemn the attack.
    Mark27 wrote: »
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?

    Reasonable measures doesn't include killing 12 people, if you did that you'd be serving 12 counts of murder.


  • #69
    Wolfe Tone
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    Mark27 wrote: »
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?
    Padraig Nally is in the Israeli army now?


  • #70
    Nodin
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    Mark27 wrote: »
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?

    As regards the Lebanese side, you could argue that. Golan is occupied territory, however, as is the West Bank. Do you agree the Palestinians have a right to resist the occupation?


  • #71
    Ghost Train
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,581 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Dancing kid gets shot in the leg in that video, ouch :cool:


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  • #72
    Mark27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Mark27


    And do the Israeli's not have a right to resist occupation of Israel??

    What if it was 12 travellers that came and attacked your home with rocks??


  • #73
    RMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Mark27 wrote: »
    And do the Israeli's not have a right to resist occupation of Israel??

    What if it was 12 travellers that came and attacked your home with rocks??

    Occupation of Israel? Israel are occupying Palestinian lands that were never granted to them in the original allocation of land.

    Once again I'll say it, whether they're travelers, Palestinians or wealthy upper class members throwing the rocks if I returned fire on them under Irish law and killed all 12, I'd be serving 12 sentences for murder.


  • #74
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mark27 wrote: »
    And do the Israeli's not have a right to resist occupation of Israel??

    I just conceded that with regards to the Lebanese border area involved, though the level of force seems the usual overkill.

    Would you care to answer my quesion now?


  • #75
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    Mark27 wrote: »
    And do the Israeli's not have a right to resist occupation of Israel??

    What if it was 12 travellers that came and attacked your home with rocks??

    Depends. Have I gone around bulldozing the home of said travellers. Have I also denied them basic amenities and robbed them of any chance of a decent and productive future so that I may profit at their expense through use of force and arms?


  • #76
    CrackisWhack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭CrackisWhack


    cookies221 wrote: »
    OMG your ignorance has me speechless.
    Just gonna leave this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War


    Your ignorance and bigotry leaves me speechless.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68387941

    :rolleyes:


  • #77
    Mark27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Mark27


    Nodin Israel believes the land was promised to them by god.

    The Palestines believe it is their religious right to occupy Israel.

    Depending whos side you are on, i guess you will believe their tale


  • #78
    CrackisWhack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭CrackisWhack


    Mark27 wrote: »
    Nodin Israel believes the land was promised to them by god.

    The Palestines believe it is their religious right to occupy Israel.

    Depending whos side you are on, i guess you will believe their tale


    Or they could live side by side, in an equal and fair society.


  • #79
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mark27 wrote: »
    Nodin Israel(.........) will believe their tale

    I wasn't referring to the Bible or religous claims. You stated
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?

    The West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, the Golan and Gaza are outside the state of Israels international legal borders. Based on what you stated, I'm asking you if you think that its fair enough that Palestinians resist the occupation of those areas.


  • #80
    Memnoch
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    Mark27 wrote: »
    Nodin Israel believes the land was promised to them by god.

    The Palestines believe it is their religious right to occupy Israel.

    Depending whos side you are on, i guess you will believe their tale

    Sorry but... perhaps tells a more objective story.

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/palestine_olmert_plan_maps.jpg


  • #81
    Pride Fighter
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    Cassidy Obnoxious Tonsillitis wrote: »
    I

    It takes a concerted attempt to breech Israel's border's, and who the hell but a Palestinian would bring a child to a border incursion.


    Incursion???

    It was a peaceful protest.


    Israel just likes murdering innocent civilians, its their national pastime.


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  • #82
    WhiteRussian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 304 ✭✭WhiteRussian


    Warper wrote: »
    Why you care, you goin to shoot me?

    ;)
    CrackisWhack wrote: »
    Or they could live side by side, in an equal and fair society.

    Highly unlikely as both sides believe themselves to be right in their claim. Israel is the subject of anti-semetic hatred amongst its neighbours, who would happily like to make it disappear. Whilst I don't condone the deaths, as I wouldn't any other war deaths, I hope it delivers a message to Palestinian headbangers to back the fcuk off


  • #83
    WhiteRussian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 304 ✭✭WhiteRussian


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Incursion???

    It was a peaceful protest.


    Israel just likes murdering innocent civilians, itsit is = it's their national pastime.

    Jesus Christ go back to junior school and sort out your knowledge of the language!


  • #84
    TheDukeOfEarl
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    Another vote for f*ck you Illegrael


  • #85
    Mark27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Mark27


    LOL @ Pride Fighter - Peacefull protest?? What news were you watching HAMAS state TV??

    CrackisWhack - Seems to me thats all the Israeli's want to do. Its not them who are goingin throwing stones at Palestine youths in fairness

    Nodin - I realise that, but hadnt the Palestines attacked the Border??


  • #86
    CrackisWhack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭CrackisWhack


    WhiteRussian wrote: »
    ;)



    Highly unlikely as both sides believe themselves to be right in their claim. Israel is the subject of anti-semetic hatred amongst its neighbours, who would happily like to make it disappear. Whilst I don't condone the deaths, as I wouldn't any other war deaths, I hope it delivers a message to Palestinian headbangers to back the fcuk off

    Well, I would think Israel has been the main aggressor, look at the maps linked by memnoch, The Israeli's would be happy to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth. The Palestinian state is being squeezed into a smaller and smaller area year after year.

    Gaza is now one of the most densly populated areas in the world now, people are living like sardines in a tin now.


  • #87
    shedweller
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    Mark27 wrote: »
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?
    In Israels case, they have taken over Palestines house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba. The Palestinians have been cooped up in the cupboard under the stairs and are fighting back with whatever they can. To use your analogy.

    Recently, Israel declared it illegal for Palestinians to have a day of rememberance of the 1948 takeover of Palestine by Israel:
    http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/israel-passes-laws-forbidding-remembrance-of-1948-takeover-of-palestine/
    http://www.imemc.org/article/60927
    But they're pro palestinian links i posted right? Riiiight.:rolleyes:


  • #88
    CrackisWhack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭CrackisWhack


    Mark27 wrote: »
    LOL @ Pride Fighter - Peacefull protest?? What news were you watching HAMAS state TV??

    CrackisWhack - Seems to me thats all the Israeli's want to do. Its not them who are goingin throwing stones at Palestine youths in fairness

    Nodin - I realise that, but hadnt the Palestines attacked the Border??


    I wouldn't be so naive;)


  • #89
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    I wouldn't expect to read half this stuff on stormfront. Someone lock this up. Enough hatred from the lunatics for one night.


  • #90
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mark27 wrote: »
    CrackisWhack - Seems to me thats all the Israeli's want to do.

    Its all some want to do. Then theres the settler movement, the occupation and its supporters
    Mark27 wrote: »
    Its not them who are goingin throwing stones at Palestine youths in fairness

    If a first world nuclear power has its troops out chucking stones, I'd start drinking bottled water.
    Mark27 wrote: »
    Nodin - I realise that, but hadnt the Palestines attacked the Border??

    Yes, I conceded that re lebanon, but firing live rounds at them strikes me as the usual overkill. Can you answer my question?


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  • #91
    Predalien
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    Mark27 wrote: »
    Irish law states that you are allowed to take reasonable measures to protect your home.If a bunch of travellers came and started trying to overrun and fling rocks at your home. Would you not be entitled to defend it??Is this not what Israel are doing?

    Self defence, whether protecting your home or defending your country in international law has to be proportional to the threat faced. Can't see how people reason that those throwing stones should be shot.


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