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"Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice"

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    the article seems to be over 4 years old (going on the comments).

    The greater argument at the heart of the article is still very vaild though - how can the brains in the world that are capable of putting man into space have not yet found a cure for cancer or AIDS?

    Putting a man on the moon is realteively speaking easy. Curing cancer or AIDS is f**king hard.....asssuming tis even possible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    "Man posts in AH, but no one takes notice"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 44 RRaff


    Bit of an update. http://texascancertreatments.com/2011/05/07/dichloroacetate-dca-cure-for-cancer/
    If it does work I hope it doesn't get blocked by some pharma company putting pressure on the FDA much like whats happening with the electronic cigarette! They are of the opinion that if they can't make money from it no one can and it should be done away with!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    I see a story every 6 months saying cancer has been cured, they wash over me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    the article seems to be over 4 years old (going on the comments).

    The greater argument at the heart of the article is still very vaild though - how can the brains in the world that are capable of putting man into space have not yet found a cure for cancer or AIDS?

    Because "cancer" isn't a single disease, there are so many different types that "curing cancer" is just a catch all term that means curing hundreds of illnesses at once. A lot of cancers are cureable anyway.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭smk89


    There must be some scientific backing/truth to it? Scientists can't come out with claims like this and not have evidence - their credibility would be shot to ribbons and they'd have to look into a new career fairly pronto!

    You've never been to a pharma free lunch! Come for the sandwiches, stay for the free USB keys and lies about their drugs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    That article is at least 4 years old..

    Yeah, remember seeing a ton of YouTube vids on it, here's just a few of 'em:







  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Bit of reading around, 2 of the 5 patients in the original study improved, 2 had no change and one died.
    Also apparently it appears to promote tumour growth in some cases in mice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I stopped reading after...
    In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria, but they need to be triggered to be effective.

    I really hope that was just a typo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭cesc77


    Putting a man on the moon is realteively speaking easy. Curing cancer or AIDS is f**king hard.....asssuming tis even possible


    Yoda says "wtf?", and "a strong coffee I recommend"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    cesc77 wrote: »
    Yoda says "wtf?", and "a strong coffee I recommend"
    They did it forty odd years ago, the computing power in the moon lander was less than a late nineties mobile phone and the combined computing power of the entire ground control would be outstripped by a ps3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    if only cancer were so simple.
    Unfortunately it is thousands of diseases, some respond easily to simple treatments some dont.

    This sort of bunkum gets cited for the reason behind every hokum cure not being properly investigated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭cesc77


    Nevore wrote: »
    They did it forty odd years ago, the computing power in the moon lander was less than a late nineties mobile phone and the combined computing power of the entire ground control would be outstripped by a ps3.


    Tangents I do not like going off on.

    I refer to the shizzle above ...that cancer and aids are ****ing hard to cure.This cracka is smashoed.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    cesc77 wrote: »
    Tangents I do not like going off on.

    I refer to the shizzle above ...that cancer and aids are ****ing hard to cure.This cracka is smashoed.:pac:
    Oh, sorry. I thought you meant that "if they could fly to the moon, surely they should be able to cure cancer".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    This guy appears to be the flavour of the month when it comes to alternative cancer treatments. Basically he says cancer works like fungus/ is a a fungus and sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) is the cure. He gets a standing ovation :confused:







  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭smk89


    Nevore wrote: »
    They did it forty odd years ago, the computing power in the moon lander was less than a late nineties mobile phone and the combined computing power of the entire ground control would be outstripped by a ps3.

    The human body has 2 million proteins of which only a handful are understood, let alone cataloged. And even though the human genome project has been completed it will still take 600 years at the present rate to understand how genes work.
    Cancer is like data corruption in computers, a side effect of how they work. And no matter how hard the correction method it will always be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    smk89 wrote: »
    The human body has 2 million proteins of which only a handful are understood, let alone cataloged. And even though the human genome project has been completed it will still take 600 years at the present rate to understand how genes work.
    Cancer is like data corruption in computers, a side effect of how they work. And no matter how hard the correction method it will always be there.
    I'm not the one saying that it should be easy to cure cancer? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    smk89 wrote: »
    The human body has 2 million proteins of which only a handful are understood, let alone cataloged. And even though the human genome project has been completed it will still take 600 years at the present rate to understand how genes work.
    Cancer is like data corruption in computers, a side effect of how they work. And no matter how hard the correction method it will always be there.
    People said the same thing about the human genome project. I'd be more optimistic. You're right about cancer though, its just a natural biological process. There is no cure all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭gamgsam


    The onset of a cancer can be triggered by more than just the mitochondrial pathway. Cancer is a very wide term describing mostly manifestation. It is loosely described as uncontrolled growth of cells. This can arise form excess growth stimulus, aberrant activation of growth effectors, inhibition of apoptosis, via tumour supression genes and oncogenes.

    The specific pathology in each case is complex and unique to the form of cancer. It follows that there id no cure to cancer. Cancer encompasses so many pathologies that the cure of cancer is impossible.

    For clarification, PM me.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    In human bodies there is a natural cancer fighting human cell, the mitochondria
    That is comedy gold
    The specific pathology in each case is complex and unique to the form of cancer. It follows that there id no cure to cancer. Cancer encompasses so many pathologies that the cure of cancer is impossible.
    This is true, cancer is a catch all term, there is no single "cancer"

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭jony_dols


    Found a link to an article on a reputable medical website (which I'm unable to post),
    which contains comments from patients suffering from aggressive brain tumours and colon cancer and they themselves are on trials with the DCA drug.

    And some of their results are pretty remarkable.

    16. Rob on May 14, 2010 7:32 PM writes...

    I have been using DCA since last May 21st for metastatic colon cancer. No other chemo. The first two CT scans after May 21st showed significant reductions in tumor size and the last four have shown no change. A year after discovering a rapid growing set of large tumors I remain symptom free and have raised my dosage back to my initial dosage to see if I can get another tumor reduction. I think the DCA is working and the latest oncologist I saw agrees.

    18. Rob on May 15, 2010 12:01 PM writes...

    I started out at one gram per day, I weigh around 190. I have been at 2 grams a day and now have upped it to 3 grams a day. That is for five days and them two weeks off. I don't have any rationale for this other than to avoid peripheral neuropathy which I have. And after stopping DCA the neuropathy continues to increase for a week. I take 300 to 500 mg of B-l plus a B Complex to counter this also.

    Look at theDCAsite for far better dosage info than from me.

    While I give all the credit for my stable cancer to DCA because that is all I took in the beginning when I had the actual reductions in tumor size and also when I took it for the longest periods, 20 days without a break and when I developed PN, I now take a lot of other things.

    Metformin 200 mg
    Artemisinin one gram
    Artesunate 100 mg
    Fish Oil 7 grams
    Vit D3 4000 iu
    Curcumin
    EGCG for its caffeine

    Again no symptoms, feel fine, ride my bike. My oncologist hear nothing in my lungs. It is a bit unreal since on average I am supposed to be dead having had no standard chemo.

    Timeline
    Resection in 12/06
    Diagnosed with metastatic colon cancer 4/09
    Six CT scans since but no treatment since at leading, number one or two, cancer hospital.
    Accepted for Phase One clinical trial last month but am waiting for later, higher dose, cohort in Oct or Dec.
    Being considered for another Phase One trial.
    Have been seen by four oncologist at three major hospitals and a medical group.

    No doctor has agreed to work with me and DCA but there are doctors who will. Check it out.

    21. rob on May 23, 2010 3:41 AM writes...
    Dave,

    Nothing but DCA and what I listed. No progression last 8 months, two regressions in the first four months. total now approaching 13 months. No weight loss, good appetite.

    Hylar tumor originally 4x3.6 cm now 3x2 something cm. Nodule in right upper lung always at 2x2 cm but looks broken up to me in last CT scan.

    31. dustin on September 14, 2010 7:52 PM writes...

    I've been doing a lot of reading about DCA and the possible benefits on brain tumours and I can tell you all this.....my wife was diagnosed with a tumour on her cerebellum and because we are lucky enough to be living in Alberta AND because she met all the requirements, she was included in the U of A trials. With that said, she had NO surgery and NO chemo or radiation....she was only given DCA and some vitamines and after two months her scan revealed that it shrunk by 20% and two weeks later it revealed that that little piece of hell in her head was stopped in its tracks!She is too continue this treatment until November and than we will see whats next....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    jony_dols wrote: »
    Found a link to an article on a reputable medical website (which I'm unable to post),
    which contains comments from patients suffering from aggressive brain tumours and colon cancer and they themselves are on trials with the DCA drug.
    Why can't you post it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭jony_dols


    Nevore wrote: »
    Why can't you post it?

    Isn't posting links to external sites against forum rules?

    Ah **** it, here you go.

    http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/05/14/dca_and_cancer_more_results.php

    & here is some further updates on the testing of DCA.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/05/12/dca-brain-cancer.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Nope, not if it's involved in a serious discussion or so I thought. Shilling and spamming is disallowed but I'm guessing that site is pertinent to the discussion at hand.
    Maybe pm one of the AH mods for confirmation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Predator_


    I sure there are cures for the major diseases but capitalism has blocked them because its all about greed. The sooner we turn our back on the evil that is anglo saxon capitalism the better for everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Predator_ wrote: »
    I sure there are cures for the major diseases but capitalism has blocked them because its all about greed. The sooner we turn our back on the evil that is anglo saxon capitalism the better for everyone.
    That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not simply sell the cures for the major diseases at a sky high price since the evil anglo saxon capitalists know people will have no choice but to pay? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Predator_


    Nevore wrote: »
    That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not simply sell the cures for the major diseases at a sky high price since the evil anglo saxon capitalists know people will have no choice but to pay? :confused:

    They couldn't do that, there would be an outcry, think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Predator_ wrote: »
    They couldn't do that, there would be an outcry, think about it.

    No there wouldn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    A Yacult complaining about the public being fooled by the big pharmaceuticals? Oh the irony.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭bleg


    This thread is hilarious.


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