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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Here's a good article on the whole area of allergy testing from the BBC. Pretty thorough.
    At the GP surgery

    Your GP will take a full medical history, including your symptoms, details of when they occur and any other relevant information.
    From this medical history, they'll produce a short list of suspected allergens and arrange appropriate tests. Once the allergy and allergens have been identified, they'll be able to offer treatment and advice.
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    Allergy clinics

    If your GP's unfamiliar with allergy diagnosis, you may be referred to an NHS or independent allergy clinic for further assessment. There are only about 90 NHS allergy clinics in the UK so you may have to join a waiting list. Some clinics specialise in specific diseases, such as asthma or allergies affecting the respiratory system.
    A list of NHS and private allergy clinics is available at www.specialistinfo.com.
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    Skin-prick test

    This is the most common allergy test and, performed correctly, has a high degree of accuracy.
    A small needle (lancet) is used to scratch the skin gently through a droplet of fluid containing a known allergen. In most cases, clinics use purified liquid forms of the allergen, but sometimes you may be asked to bring a fresh sample (especially if the suspected allergen is food).
    The test is usually done on the forearm, although with young children it may be done on the back so they can't see what's happening. It isn't painful and results are immediately available. Children can be safely skin tested from four months of age.
    A positive reaction occurs when the skin around the needle prick becomes itchy with redness and develops a white swelling called a wheal. The wheal reaches its maximum size in about 15 to 20 minutes and the reaction fades within an hour.
    Wheal diameter varies from 5mm to 10mm in a positive test - the larger the wheal, the more likely that you are allergic.
    Positive (histamine) and negative (water) control tests should also be used to grade skin reactivity.
    An allergy can only be confidently diagnosed when your symptoms correlate with a positive test. The test can show how sensitive you are to an allergen, but can't predict how severely you'll react on exposure. These tests are cheap, safe and easy to perform, but can only test a limited number of allergens - up to 25 in one session.
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    Blood tests for allergies

    A sample of your blood is sent to a specialist laboratory for a RAST (radioallergosorbent test) or CAP-RAST.
    This measures the amount of specific immunoglobulin E antibodies (IgE) to inhalants and foods in your blood. IgE causes histamine to be released when you're exposed to various environmental and food allergens. The test is safer than a skin-prick test, as you're not directly exposed to the allergen.
    Results are graded from grade 0 (negative) and grade 1 (weak positive) to grade 6 (strong positive), depending on the level of the allergen's specific IgE antibody in your blood. The higher the grade, the more likely it is you have an allergy to that allergen. More than 400 specific allergens can be tested for in this way.
    There's a respiratory allergy screen, which tests for IgE to house dust mites, pet dander, pollens and mould spores, as well as a food allergy screening test for children, which identifies allergy to cow's milk, hen's egg, wheat, codfish, soy and peanut.
    The nut screening test can identify allergy to almond, Brazil nut, hazelnut, peanut and coconut, while the seafood screen can detect allergy to various fishes, shrimp and black mussel.
    Specific IgE RAST can detect other allergens including some antibiotics, latex rubber, horse hair, bee and wasp venom and practically any allergies linked to raised IgE.
    RAST can't test for allergies to preservatives, food colouring and aspirin as these reactions aren't linked to IgE.
    In the past, 'total IgE' was measured as an allergy indicator, but this isn't accurate as it may also be raised in parasite infections and with eczema. Total IgE may be raised in otherwise fit and healthy people with no allergies at all.
    Sometimes very low levels of specific IgE are detected, which are usually 'false positive' results. The patient's medical history can help identify these.
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    Patch test

    This is used to diagnose delayed allergic reactions on the skin, such as those occurring in contact dermatitis. It can test for contact allergies to rubber, nickel, lanolin, hair dyes, cosmetics, perfume, preservatives and skin medications.
    Samples of known contact chemical allergens are taped to the skin under special aluminium discs for 48 hours. After a further 24 hours, any residual reddening or blistering of the skin is assessed.
    Groups of patch tests are available specifically for hairdressing chemicals and contact allergens that affect the face.
    Atopy patch testing (APT) is an adapted form of patch test used to diagnose delayed hypersensitivity to foods in children. Some children show delayed reactions to foods such as cow's milk, egg, wheat and soy, with extensive eczema and oesophageal reflux, diarrhoea and vomiting.
    Although less accurate than conventional skin-prick tests, APT may help identify the food allergens causing these delayed reactions.
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    Allergen challenge tests

    • Allergen provocation testing - hospital medical staff perform provocation tests by introducing the suspected aero-allergen (pollen, dust mite, animal dander or mould extract) directly into the nose, lung or eye to see if they provoke an allergic reaction. This is then measured.
    • Double-blind placebo-controlled food challenge (DBPCFC) - this may be performed in hospital for a suspected food allergy. The offending food is concealed in a capsule or broth and, under careful supervision, given to the patient to see if they react.
    In a DBPCFC, neither doctor nor patient is aware which is the real allergen and which is the dummy (placebo), to exclude any psychological influence or bias affecting the result.
    This test should only be done in specialist allergy clinics with full resuscitation equipment available. DBPCFC is the most accurate food allergy test but it's time-consuming to perform and can be dangerous in people with severe food allergies.
    Sometimes shorter 'open challenges' are performed in hospital, where the patient is fully aware of what they're eating but feel 'safe' taking the suspected food in a supervised environment.
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    Other tests

    • Cellular allergen stimulation test (CAST) - measures release of inflammatory chemicals called leukotrienes in a blood sample after exposure to specific allergens. Can help to identify allergens such as preservatives (sodium benzoate, sulphites, salicylates), food colourings (tartrazine), aspirin and some medications, where the reactions don't involve IgE. It isn't 100 per cent accurate and isn't readily available in the UK.
    • Histamine release (HR) - especially helpful in identifying allergic reactions that don't involve IgE and can also help diagnose idiopathic urticaria. The blood sample has to be sent to a special reference laboratory in Denmark for testing.
    • Serum tryptase - histamine and tryptase are released into the bloodstream during allergic reactions. Histamine is rapidly metabolised and so is hard to measure, but tryptase can be measured in the blood for up to six hours after an allergic reaction. It can't identify the allergen, but can confirm an allergic reaction took place.
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    Food intolerance tests

    Lactose/sucrose intolerance

    Lactose intolerance results from a deficiency of lactase, an enzyme in the intestine that digests the sugar found in cow's milk (lactose). Sucrose intolerance occurs when children drink excessive amounts of sweetened fruit juices, which overwhelms their sucrose digesting enzymes.
    Both can be diagnosed by a hydrogen breath test or by testing for 'reducing sugars' in a (liquid) stool sample.
    Gluten intolerance

    Gluten, the protein found in wheat, can lead to a damaged intestinal lining owing to a delayed hypersensitivity reaction, otherwise known as coeliac disease. Families predisposed to coeliac disease should be screened for gluten intolerance, as well as people with Down's syndrome, diabetics on insulin and IgA immune deficiency.
    The condition can be diagnosed by a blood test measuring IgA antibodies to intestinal wall proteins such as endomysium or tissue transglutaminases (other older tests include IgA or IgG antibodies to gliaden and bowel reticulin).
    A positive test should be followed by a small bowel biopsy to confirm coeliac disease.
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    Controversial tests

    Some practitioners perform tests that haven't been shown to have an acceptable degree of diagnostic reliability. They shouldn't be relied on for allergy diagnostic purposes as they're of an inferior nature, according to the British Society for Allergy and Clinical Immunology and the Royal College of Pathologists.
    Immunoglobulin G (IgG) - this can be measured in a blood sample and will be raised to specific foods we eat on a regular basis. This rise has no relationship to allergy. In fact, IgG may have some protective effect against allergies. The Royal College of Pathologists doesn't recommend this test as it usually implicates harmless foods , such as wheat, cow’s milk and yeast. Avoidance of these foods in adults has no health benefits and can lead to malnutrition in children.
    VEGA testing – this involves measuring disordered electromagnetic currents in the body to certain substances. The test substances are kept in glass vials connected to a device while a probe measures 'disordered' readings on the patient's hand. According to a survey in the British Medical Journal, the results are unreliable.
    Applied kinesiology – this tests muscle strength in the presence of various allergens held by the patient. A loss of muscle strength in the arm allegedly indicates an allergy or intolerance. The allergy antidote allows muscle strength to return. This test is unreliable and the public should be discouraged from using it, according to the British Society for Allergy and Clinical Immunology.
    Hair analysis - a sample is analysed for trace element deficiencies or heavy metal toxicity. It has no allergy diagnostic value.
    Provocation-neutralisation testing (Miller technique) and pulse tests - have both been found to be unreliable for diagnosing allergies.
    Leucocytotoxic tests - first advocated in 1956, newer versions include Nutron and ALCAT tests, which measure changes in the blood cell size after the introduction of various food allergens (in a test tube). These tests are unreliable for diagnosing allergies or intolerances according to the European Academy for Allergology and Clinical Immunology.
    Popular 'diagnoses' - usually advanced by alternative practitioners with no medical allergy training - include leaky gut syndrome, intestinal dysbiosis, chronic candidiasis, multiple chemical sensitivities and histaminosis. None of these disputed conditions has any link to allergic diseases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭barone


    OP it sounds like complete and utter bollox. When someone is allergic to something they produce antibodies to the allergen. The only way to test for these antibodies is with a blood sample, I just don't see how hair could possibly yield the amount of information they're claiming it does.


    low tolerence isnt allergic..

    got tested years ago above the old eyre square stores in galway..she had (i kid you not,crystals) different ones for different food groups etc..

    i got a list of stuff im intolerant to aswell,some of it seems to be on the money,probly law of averages and combinations of,if your intolerant to this then this will affect you.. iwent coz i was getting terrible hangovers with little beer consumed..(budweiser)... said ive low tolerance to wheat or sumthing,no more beer since that day..cider is ok :)..

    havent had a bad hangover since,so in that respect it was worth the 20 quid :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    Thanks Nevore.

    I've read a lot of feedback from people who had the same 'hair' test and it's all positive. But looking at the above, it's raised some questions. I'll have to investigate further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Thanks Nevore.

    I've read a lot of feedback from people who had the same 'hair' test and it's all positive. But looking at the above, it's raised some questions. I'll have to investigate further.
    My pleasure.

    I'd echo an above poster though in saying that itd be interesting to see if a blood or scratch test yielded the same results as the one you got done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    Thanks Nevore.

    I've read a lot of feedback from people who had the same 'hair' test and it's all positive. But looking at the above, it's raised some questions. I'll have to investigate further.

    is there a specific food on the list that you feel definitely makes you nauseous?
    A friend is doing a research study on allergies and tolerances at the moment in Kings College in London


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    Nevore wrote: »
    I'd echo an above poster though in saying that itd be interesting to see if a blood or scratch test yielded the same results as the one you got done.

    The trick is to tell them they're allergic to other tests, then they can never be proved wrong


  • Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    barone wrote: »
    low tolerence isnt allergic..

    got tested years ago above the old eyre square stores in galway..she had (i kid you not,crystals) different ones for different food groups etc..

    i got a list of stuff im intolerant to aswell,some of it seems to be on the money,probly law of averages and combinations of,if your intolerant to this then this will affect you.. iwent coz i was getting terrible hangovers with little beer consumed..(budweiser)... said ive low tolerance to wheat or sumthing,no more beer since that day..cider is ok :)..

    havent had a bad hangover since,so in that respect it was worth the 20 quid :)

    You were getting bad hangovers because Budweiser is muck.

    I accept your point about intolerance being different to allergy.

    So let's take lactose intolerance as an example. Lactose intolerance occurs in individuals who do not produce enough of the enzyme lactase to break it down.

    How the hell is someone's hair going to provide any information whatsoever about the levels of lactase they are producing?

    The OP's been had.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭emer_b


    Hi OP, I got a voodoo airy fairy version of that test done 6 yrs ago, got the results back and it was way worse than yours. I actually cried thinking I would starve if I did it, but then decided to cop on and give it a go.
    After a few months I started to reintroduce some foods and over about a year I worked out exactly what the intolerances really were. I went from 2/3 migraines per week and constant stomach problems, to almost migraine free and a happy belly! I know about 5/6 things that I just can't eat and once you find alternatives you won't really miss them (except bread mmmm bread). Good luck whatever you decide to do!


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Leroy Melodic Cow


    How reliable was this test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    JaxxYChicK wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like Coeliac alright, no more beer for yoouuuuuu!

    Not a problem-gluten free beer tastes just as good as regular beer :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    OP the symptoms you describe point to 'Bonus Eruptus'. It's a terrible condition, where the skeleton tries to leap out of the mouth and escape the body. Your only hope is transdental electromicide.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    So, OP, what happens when you eat this food? Does your head explode?

    If not, what's the problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Forest Master


    I really pity gullible people.

    There are proper tests that can be taken for genuine allergies. Either by your GP or by an allergy doctor such as Dr. Paul Carson in Stillorgan - he's one of the best in the country. All this "alternative" stuff is pseudo-science - food intolerance tests done on litmus paper from saliva or hair (where everyone who takes one seems to be lactose & wheat intolerant), kineasiology, homoeopathy, astrology, tarots, feng shui, crystal healing, reiki, angels, etc.

    They did some proper research into this on BBC's Watchdog one week, on Penn & Teller's Bullsh*t, as well as on a Richard Dawkins documentary (The Enemies of Reason), and none of it holds any water based on the logical tests they did - all of these practices crumble under any sort of logical testing that requires actual tangible evidence to be produced. It's based on NOTHING! €58 for an "allergy test" from a hair? You've been had - you're worse for believing it - and there wouldn't be a market for it without gullible people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Karona


    I suffer from allergies, a whole lot of them and its terrible. I really should live in a bubble.

    I had to see a allergy specialist in blackrock clinic and he cost an arm and a leg.

    I had to get a skin prick test and loads of patch tests and blood tests.
    They put the patch tests on my back which were supposed to be on for 2 days, they told me to get them on then come back in a half an hour, I came back after a half an hour and they had to take them off because i reacted so severly to them.

    Turns out I'm allergic to Colophony, Mixed Fragrances, Salmon, Dogs and cut grass.

    It can make your life a living hell and the butt of other peoples jokes.

    OP really consider going to the doctor, dont waste your money on people that cant tell you accuratly what your allergic to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    Splendour wrote: »
    Not a problem-gluten free beer tastes just as good as regular beer :)

    Where do you get that!? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Heading out now so haven't read the thread and will be brief:

    Tl;dr, you took something like the nu-tron test; it's bull****, the foods it tells you you're allergic to are completely arbitrary, keep eating them and you'll be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    I'm afraid that you've wasted your money.

    My son has a severe nut allergy so I've been to allergy specialists here, and in the US. Properly administered tests do not use a hair sample. You need proper testing from a specialist - most doctors aren't even trained to test for allergies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭ArtyM


    Most of my friendships do rely on my continued ability to eat onions
    Yeah, its the onions I meant!
    Not the "bread, most pepper/spices and anything with Gluten" - try attending any restaurant, dinner party, social event, or get-together without having to forewarn them of your inability to accept any food containing those ingredients. Popular you will be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    After watching the lad on the late late eating tonnes of bananas I dared my hubby to swallow one whole. Obviously he told me to feck off and said he would vomit even after one bite. I then decided to do a home allergy test (squished some banana on part of his arm) he left it for a while and then his arm swelled up and came out in lumps.:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    After watching the lad on the late late eating tonnes of bananas I dared my hubby to swallow one whole. Obviously he told me to feck off and said he would vomit even after one bite. I then decided to do a home allergy test (squished some banana on part of his arm) he left it for a while and then his arm swelled up and came out in lumps.:eek:

    This the incident that led to your username, yes?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Been through all the tests listed here throughout the 90's. So many people out there ripping off those that have been or are ill and the medical profession have let them down for one reason or another. Homeopathy being the biggest scam of them all of course. Muscle testing (kinesiology?) a close second. However, at the time there was no other options as I had shown up allergic to all most everything when tested at the Mater Hospital, told I had an "Atopic Immune System" if I recall and that it would "burn it self out". In my teens, my family must have spent a fortune on 'alternative' allergy tests. Could write a book on alternative medicine in Ireland almost. Not to say of course, that all practitioners are all out there with the intention of ripping people off, but that's the outcome for most people that give them a shot. Same goes for Reiki, Bio-Energy and that jazz too. Desperate people will do desperate things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    This the incident that led to your username, yes?

    No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    I really pity gullible people.

    There are proper tests that can be taken for genuine allergies. Either by your GP or by an allergy doctor such as Dr. Paul Carson in Stillorgan - he's one of the best in the country. All this "alternative" stuff is pseudo-science - food intolerance tests done on litmus paper from saliva or hair (where everyone who takes one seems to be lactose & wheat intolerant), kineasiology, homoeopathy, astrology, tarots, feng shui, crystal healing, reiki, angels, etc.

    They did some proper research into this on BBC's Watchdog one week, on Penn & Teller's Bullsh*t, as well as on a Richard Dawkins documentary (The Enemies of Reason), and none of it holds any water based on the logical tests they did - all of these practices crumble under any sort of logical testing that requires actual tangible evidence to be produced. It's based on NOTHING! €58 for an "allergy test" from a hair? You've been had - you're worse for believing it - and there wouldn't be a market for it without gullible people.

    Granted, I didn't do as much research into this as I should have. I relied heavily on recommendations from other people, and the fact that I had the test done in a supposedly reputable health clinic.

    I'm hardly gullible, just somewhat ignorant of medical testing for allergies. And perhaps I'm a little too trusting.

    And without trying to sound 'loaded', €58 isn't much for me as I've a pretty good income, so all I really lost was a few mins of my time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    Those tests are a pile of ****e. Did one before and was told I was allergic to basically everything edible and vaguely tasty. Was given a random list like yours too...bread, carrots, potatoes, bananas, ginger, coconut, black pepper, brazil nuts, cat hair...wtf.

    Left the office feeling like I'd never enjoy food again, when the 'nutritionist' started harping on about the telepathic powers her dog has...sort of clarified a few things for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    It's not 100% reliable though as there is no test that is.
    Most places that say this give you everything that you could possibly allergic to, as opposed to what you are allergic to.

    Do a blood test at a hospital - this will do a proper check. Also do the cholesterol check as well.
    barone wrote: »
    iwent coz i was getting terrible hangovers with little beer consumed..(budweiser)... said ive low tolerance to wheat or sumthing,no more beer since that day..cider is ok :)..
    I think some of the eastern european countries such as Germany has yeast-free beer?

    Check out CarryOut off-license as they stock said weird beers. They have two stores in Galway...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    beks101 wrote: »
    ..when the 'nutritionist' started harping on about the telepathic powers her dog has...sort of clarified a few things for me.

    Hey, don't underestimate the telekinetic powers of canines:
    Mystical dog incident
    While being interviewed by PETA, Steven Seagal was asked to provide an example of a special interaction with an animal. To lend context and meaning to his animal rights work, Seagal offered the story about a dog which approached him during his early aikido years in Japan. Seagal described feeling as if he had known this white dog forever. After keeping the dog for a few days, the dog (by barking) warned Seagal that his dojo was on fire. Seagal quickly summoned help to put out the conflagration. Seagal never saw the dog again.

    http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Saints/ARHallOfFame/StevenSeagal.htm


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Steven Segal and PETA in one sentence... I'll have to disregard that one sorry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Steven Segal and PETA in one sentence... I'll have to disregard that one sorry.

    Superior attitude. Superior state of mind!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Forest Master


    And without trying to sound 'loaded', €58 isn't much for me as I've a pretty good income, so all I really lost was a few mins of my time.

    How's that even relevant though? You were either ripped off or you weren't. I'd be p*ssed if I got ripped off €1 or €2000 - albeit not equally, but the principle is the same. The fact that someone tried to take me for a sucker would annoy me more than the cash.

    As long as you've learned your lesson, I guess - always ask yourself questions if something doesn't make 100% sense to you.

    Anyway - gotta go - off to put my callcards in the freezer - I hear it regenerates them...


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