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Underage Drinking

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  • #32
    po0k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    Originally posted by Oeneus
    ...street drinking........ underaged street drinking...
    OH LAW-DEE-DAH! STREEEEET DRINKING EH?

    BACK 'OME WE CALLS IT BUSHIN'


  • #33
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    I know it as "bush lushing". Any way...

    A lot of "gards" as some of you are calling them don’t give a ****. Four or five weeks back I had to call the Garda to out side a take away, they said they would be down in about five min (it was near the station).

    Before the Garda who was called got down to the take away got there another Garda got there first, I try to tell him what happened and he would not even talk to me, he went over to people who it looked like he knew.

    The two Garda who arrived in the second car were as help full as they could have being.


  • #34
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    bullsh1t,
    having grown up in a pub and after working in six more besides, i can tell you quite confidently that it is totally illigal for a minor (under the age of 18) to be on the premesis. the only time they are allowed in is if they are accompanied by an adult ie: a person over the age of 18.

    so if they're in there with some over age mates it's ok?


  • #35
    Dont be at yourself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,452 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Originally posted by MDR
    Oh I see the Garda deliberately ignored you ?

    If the garda did absolutely nothing as you say, why didn't you go see a soliciter, perhaps take a civil case. Did you follow up the case at the Garda station, did you complain when you felt your case was being dealt with proparily. Was someone arrested, was it the justice system that you down, afterall the Garda aren't responsible for bad judgements in court.

    I find it very difficult to believe the Garda ignored a reported assault. I suspect there is prolly alot more going on here than you are letting us know.

    If not, fair enough ... but to be honest I have never come across an incident were they Garda 'have just no cared about an attack', I have seen them ignore other stuff ... but not when people are injured.

    I'll detail pretty much exactly what happened:

    My girlfriend and I, who were walking to the shop at around 8.30pm, were attacked by 8 scumbags, armed with bottles outside the shop. They threw the first punch. It was all caught on camera, as the shop was attached to a petrol station, and the attack took place on the four courts, which are monitored by cameras. The shop also has large glass windows facing onto the four courts, allowing peolpe inside a full view of them.

    Anyway, we eventually managed to run in to the petrol station (but not before they threw my girlfriend against a car and kicked her repeatedly in the ribs). Once there, I went over to the manager and asked if we could use his phone and bathroom. While saying this, two of the attackers ran into the shop after us. Again, they were caught on camera. They ran back out when they seen the manager.

    So, while my girlfriend composes herself, I ring the gardaí and my girlfriend's father. A girl in the shop who I vaguelly knew from school tells me that she knows who they are. They were apparently also kicked away from another shop for being rowdy earlier that night.

    The father arrives and we go to see if we can find the attackers. We find them hopping a fence, heading in the direction of a bunch of houses. We take down descriptions of them.

    Back at my girlfriend's house, the gardaí arrive, a good hour after the crime was reported. They were very nice, friendly, understanding. Statements are taken (pretty much what is written above) and the gardaí take us for a drive to see if we can spot the attackers. No luck.

    At this point, the Gardaí say they'll take a look at the video and get back to us.

    A week passed, they didn't get back to us. I phoned up - one of the gardaí explained that they had looked at the video and that there was nothing on it.

    Thinking that was a bit strange, I rang the petrol station and asked if I could see the video. They agreed. I also asked if the gardaí had seen it, he said that they hadn't.

    I watched the video, and there was plenty on it. You could clearly see the attackers.

    I rang up the gardaí again, told them about this, they promised they'd get back to us.

    They didn't. Subsequent calls either found them not on duty or, again, "they'd get back to us".

    They never did.

    In hindsight, I probably should have called a solicitor. But then, why should I have to?


  • #36
    Placebo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    Cops dont do **** , its true , i wont get into that .


    Anyway if you are under 18 in a pub then you will more likley get kicked out but thats only in popular pubs . Mostly in town .

    Dont drink until your 18 .


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  • #37
    po0k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    Bullshit.
    Don't drink until you want to.
    Don't feel you have to drink, but don't be scared away from enjoying a pint with a few mates.

    If people only respected drink a bit more we wouldn't be such a country of gobshítes.

    Sorry to hear it nakey :(


  • #38
    Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    There are some really nice gardai and some horrible ones.
    There are some who i have been stopped by and searched by folowing a friend of mine passing round something they shouldnt have and unfortunate timing, who was quite possibly the friendliest garda i've ever come across, who was cordial and polite (except for one ickle little bit when another friend said something they shouldnt have). on the other hand, there are some guards who are right pricks, and when asked for directions tell you to **** off and hop in a car and drive off before you can get their badge number.

    Gardaí will only head into smaller local pubs really, and only every now and then if they get word of a lot of underage people there. The Rathmines Inn for instance kicked me and a few others out because they knew that they had a reputation and were on their final warning (they're finally changing their ways....there goes another Friday night spot).

    It does depend on what area you're in. Town Gardai are for the most part ****, but out where i live in Rathfarnham they're really quite good. one time that we got broken into by some junkie and my brother was still in the house they surrounded the place in 5 minutes.


  • #39
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Guys if you wan't to carry on this discussion about Gardai and there doings/wrong doings can you make a thread in...ehh Humanities I suppose. There seems to be a lot of current involved with Garda actions. And now it seems that Gardai are not untouchable as this link may shed light on in some way - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=720495#post720495


  • #40
    Bard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    Originally posted by Chief---
    1. The gards never come into pubs
    2. The gards couldnt give a f3ck about underage drinkers
    3. Its up to the publican, he gets in trouble if you are underage drinking in his bar.
    4. If all your friends are drinking in a bar you should be too.

    1. Rubbish.
    2. Untrue.
    3. True, although he may not be the only one to get in trouble, it's his responsibility to see that you are not buying or consuming alcohol on his premises.
    4. Complete and utter bollocks. Whether a person drinks or not has nothing to do with their peers - it's a personal choice.


  • #41
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    Originally posted by Bard
    1. Rubbish.
    2. Untrue.
    3. True, although he may not be the only one to get in trouble, it's his responsibility to see that you are not buying or consuming alcohol on his premises.
    4. Complete and utter bollocks. Whether a person drinks or not has nothing to do with their peers - it's a personal choice.



    I suppose if anybody would know about Gardai/pubs, You would.


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  • #42
    Bard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    Originally posted by Chief---
    I suppose if anybody would know about Gardai/pubs, You would.

    Getting personal will get you nowhere.

    I've worked in bars before and on occasion have had to call the gardaí to break up rows that happened in the bar or to remove people who refused to leave.

    I've a fair understanding of the bar trade and have dealt with the gardaí concerning problems in bars before. Simple as that.


  • #43
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    Did not mean to be offensive, sorry. ffs i tried to stop the gards arresting you.

    Ohh an by the way, I have worked in bars/clubs too and if a fight breaks out the only thing you dont do is call the gards. Not very good for a pubs image to have a garda car outside with flashing lights.
    Mind you i did work for a landlord who if you served a pint of guinness in a stacker glass he would throw it over you.
    "Tulip boy, only tulip glasses in this pub!!!"


  • #44
    Bard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    Originally posted by Chief---
    Did not mean to be offensive, sorry. ffs i tried to stop the gards arresting you.

    I know, but there was no need to bring that up. No offense taken.

    Ohh an by the way, I have worked in bars/clubs too and if a fight breaks out the only thing you dont do is call the gards. Not very good for a pubs image to have a garda car outside with flashing lights.

    Not very good for custom to have a bunch of scumbags inside causing fights. Choose the lesser of the two "evils".

    Mind you i did work for a landlord who if you served a pint of guinness in a stacker glass he would throw it over you.
    "Tulip boy, only tulip glasses in this pub!!!"

    He's damn right too! Guinness should only ever be served in a tulip glass - preferably a Guinness branded one.


  • #45
    Sangre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Originally posted by Bard

    4. Complete and utter bollocks. Whether a person drinks or not has nothing to do with their peers - it's a personal choice.

    :rolleyes:

    You don't honestly believe that do you? It may have been the case for you but look around at this drink culture and you will see everyone is affected by their peers. A whole nation does not suddenly make the personal choice to become a bunch of drunks


  • #46
    Bard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    Originally posted by Sangre
    :rolleyes:

    You don't honestly believe that do you? It may have been the case for you but look around at this drink culture and you will see everyone is affected by their peers.

    Generalisations are bad, you know...

    No, not EVERYONE is affected by their peers when it comes to deciding whether to drink or not - or how much to drink. Clearly, gullible and easily influenced people ARE... but that's not EVERYONE.

    A whole nation does not suddenly make the personal choice to become a bunch of drunks

    Quite correct... and the whole nations HASN'T made such a choice.


  • #47
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    I'm 19, I did not drink until after 17.5 (in my 18th year as one might say) and two of my close frends did not drink until they were 18, (most of them started much early).

    Its true that its very hard not to drink, mainly because people asking are you not drinking all the time, however not drinking in a pub/club can be very easily covered up, by buying a soft drink look a like or says there is whisky in the coke etc...

    Also I have to back up everything bard has said so far, just because you and your friends are/were drinking does not mean every one your age at the time is also drinking

    When I was younger nearly every one who was underage drinking was shocked any time I told them I wasn’t, so I tried to avoid it.


  • #48
    Mercury_Tilt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭Mercury_Tilt


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  • #49
    Carbiens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Carbiens


    Originally posted by Mordeth
    so if they're in there with some over age mates it's ok?

    so long as their not drinking, yes. although thats during a certain period only, (i think its before 9pm) after that its up to the owner whether they allow accompanied minors on the premisis or not. most don't, my daddy do!:rolleyes:


  • #50
    domeara01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭domeara01


    this stuff will get you drunk, remember father jack.
    toilduck.jpg


  • #51
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    I wouldn't even risk posting something like the above. Theres always some fool who will try it.


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  • #52
    Wheeler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭Wheeler


    AS A PUBLICANS NEPHEW I KNOW THAT THE NUMBER OF UNDERAGE DRINKERS DRINKING IN PUBS IG GOING TO RAPIDLY DECREASE COS JUST 2 WEEKS AGO THE VFI PASSED A RULE THAT IF UNDERAGERS ARE CAUGHT DRINKING ON THE PREMISES THE PUB WILL BE LIABLE TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR 30 DAYS.

    AND THIS IS REALLY WORRYING PUBLICANS. THINK OF THE CASH LOST IF U HAD TO CLOSE FOR A MONTH.


  • #53
    Sangre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Originally posted by Wheeler
    AS A PUBLICANS NEPHEW I KNOW THAT THE NUMBER OF UNDERAGE DRINKERS DRINKING IN PUBS IG GOING TO RAPIDLY DECREASE COS JUST 2 WEEKS AGO THE VFI PASSED A RULE THAT IF UNDERAGERS ARE CAUGHT DRINKING ON THE PREMISES THE PUB WILL BE LIABLE TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR 30 DAYS.

    AND THIS IS REALLY WORRYING PUBLICANS. THINK OF THE CASH LOST IF U HAD TO CLOSE FOR A MONTH.

    No need for caps. locks,

    Well I certainly hope they don't start enforcing ot for another 7 months, I will have to celebrate my LC ya know!


  • #54
    Caesar_Bojangle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Caesar_Bojangle


    If you so happen to be in a pub whilst Dirty Harry walks in just try and mingle into the crowd, its very rare that a garda will walk in. They only appear to care about closing times more so than underage drinking in my experience of part time barman work and drinking sessions

    Slightly off the point in question, but when i was 16 i was cycling home pissed out of my mind and the gardai tried to pull me over in a garda transit van and were chasing me at 5mph for like 15 mins, still managed to lose the tail. Its was quite funny at the time, "please pull over as you are riding a bicyle whilst intoxicated"


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Originally posted by Sangre


    Well I certainly hope they don't start enforcing ot for another 7 months, I will have to celebrate my LC ya know!


    Pfft. Bolony. You yourself know you can get away with underage drinking in any pub/club. :)


  • #56
    Sangre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Originally posted by Jabba
    Pfft. Bolony. You yourself know you can get away with underage drinking in any pub/club. :)

    Regardless...... I dont want my fellow underagians to go sober, perish the thought! :eek:


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You couldnt care less as long as you get ur fix! ye couldnt care less bout "fellow underagians" :p


  • #58
    Sangre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,221 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    I CARE, I CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But lets not get off topic here...


    Ummmm...underage drinking is bad mmmmmkay!

    Id say you're safest bet is the pub as opposed to the fields


  • #59
    Carbiens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Carbiens


    its a lot better craic in the fields though

    "hey look brian, its yore ma, thats not my ma thats yore sister, thats not anyone its a cow...oh wait..."

    the craic was mighty in de feeld


  • #60
    ykt0di9url7bc3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭ykt0di9url7bc3


    If you are bush drinking stay away from Old Spice & orange juice


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  • #61
    leeroybrown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    You don't honestly believe that do you? It may have been the case for you but look around at this drink culture and you will see everyone is affected by their peers.

    Thats certainly not true for everyone and the rest who do it because of peer pressure are being stupid. At the end of the day in 95% of cases they have a reasonable choice.


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