hertz have some cheek

HellFireClub · 13-05-2011 02:14PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

You're missing a very important part of this. That it's NOT an official FAS placement, there's no mention of FAS at all in the job ad. So you'd presumably lose your dole belefits and any rent allownace or anything that you were getting. So you'd effectively be losing money!!

People should actually boycott these kind of jobs completely. Now I know people will say yeah but I need some experience etc, but that's what employers are hoping you'll say and they're exploiting the fcuk out of the current situation. Taking the p1ss basically.

Ahhh...

emeraldstar · 13-05-2011 02:22PM

opinion guy wrote: »

This is a good point. Isn't there s thing called minimum wage ? How are Hertz able to do this ?

Why single out Hertz? In some industries internships are par for the course and pretty much the only way to get your foot in the door. An internship where the intern is taken seriously, and given knowledge and training, is invaluable if its a career area you really want to get into. The experience gained is deemed "wage" enough, I guess.

In saying that though, it does look like what Hertz is looking for here is pretty much just someone to do the boring admin tasks, rather than offering a proper training experience...

Otis Driftwood · 13-05-2011 02:28PM

Noreen1 wrote: »

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........

I never said it did to be fair.What I said is its giving people a chance to get some practical,real life industry experience.

People dont have to apply for it but I know that given the choice of sitting around doing nothing or doing unpaid work experience,I know what I and likely a helluva lot more people would rather.

Am I right in thinking that graduates arent entitled to any/much social welfare?

Id also reckon that there are masses of grads in the Dublin area,still living at home so the issue of having to pay rent,living expenses etc would be a non runner for alot of people.

Some are just looking for excuses at this stage I feel.

To repeat myself,its not ideal,of course its not,however with unemployment as it is,and the jobs pool for HR positions been terribly small,it really would be the only option for alot of folks.

Coriolanus · 13-05-2011 02:35PM

I don't see the problem.

IF you want to apply, apply. If you don't, don't.

There's too many unemployed at a moment, if you try going for a salaried position with even a couple years experience under your belt, they'll plum for the thirty something who's been working in the field a decade or more.

holystungun9 · 13-05-2011 02:35PM

chin_grin wrote: »

Bet that mega hurts................

.............f*ckin' clutching at straws at this stage!

I like what you did here. And for that you get a thanks.

the_syco · 13-05-2011 03:17PM

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Well if you are a graduate,with no experience and cant get a job,then wouldn't something like this or another internship be better than sitting on your arse bitching about it?

If the company has enough money to take on 2 new people, why bother when you can get 6 people for free? They'll make more money for your company, since, well, you ain't paying them...!

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

The other is doing an internship with a multi national based in Dublin.

Good to hear. Please note that you get valuable experience stocking shelves in your local supermarket as part of this "great" WPP scheme... :rolleyes:

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

He lives in Dublin during the week and at the weekend he goes back to his home town and works in a bar to subsidise his living expenses.

You can also get WPP experience working in a bar.

The_B_Man wrote: »

tbh, if a company offered me a summer work placement doing computer programming, then i'd take it, paid or not.

My gripe is: there are some jobs which provide you with some knowledge, and there are some jobs that don't. The latter is called exploitation. The latter is what is happening to most of the WPP "jobs".

Nevore wrote: »

I don't see the problem.

IF you want to apply, apply. If you don't, don't.

There's too many unemployed at a moment

Why bother creating a paid job when you can get a stream of people to do it for free by letting them think that they may get a job out of it, but really won't. Heck, I've seen WWP "jobs" for the door-to-door selling crap.

tolosenc · 13-05-2011 03:27PM

Hold on, since when do I HAVE to get a job in Hertz?

Ray Palmer · 13-05-2011 03:40PM

This is government sponsored initiative. You can keep your dole while doing it.

Noreen1 · 13-05-2011 03:49PM

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

I never said it did to be fair.What I said is its giving people a chance to get some practical,real life industry experience.

People dont have to apply for it but I know that given the choice of sitting around doing nothing or doing unpaid work experience,I know what I and likely a helluva lot more people would rather.

Am I right in thinking that graduates arent entitled to any/much social welfare?

Id also reckon that there are masses of grads in the Dublin area,still living at home so the issue of having to pay rent,living expenses etc would be a non runner for alot of people.

Some are just looking for excuses at this stage I feel.

To repeat myself,its not ideal,of course its not,however with unemployment as it is,and the jobs pool for HR positions been terribly small,it really would be the only option for alot of folks.

Doesn't the ad. specify that experienced candidates are preferred?

That being the case, it's nothing but sheer exploitation..........

stupidusername · 13-05-2011 04:16PM

I expect some of the FAS positions are actually some use to people but i'd guess they're a minority. It'd also be a minority those that are living at home and dont have rent etc to pay. My placement is a waste.i've gotten no training and yet am given a huge amount of responsibility that I shouldn't have.half or more of my time is spent doing secretary work,and taking the ****ty jobs off the paid workers so they dont have to pay overtime. Just my experience anyway.

Gunsfortoys · 13-05-2011 04:25PM

Real experience? It is a job photocopying and making the tea, I would nearly put my house on it.

If you offer employment, you should be paying a wage and no amount of justification for it will suffice.

The fact is they are exploiting people who are desperately out of work and have nothing to hope for. I despise these companies for taking advantage of this economic climate to exploit people.

The_B_Man · 13-05-2011 05:37PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And pay your bills how ?

I have no bills. I'm a student looking for summer work in between years, and still living at home!
Any experience in a relevant field is worth it, regardless of pay.

matamoros1965 · 13-05-2011 07:45PM

I worked in this sector and got to meet a good few staff from Hertz Swords, not one of them were happy to work there.

If people who are fresh out of college and want to be paid, the company I worked for are often recruiting as they have a high staff turnover even now.

I wouldn't wholeheartedly recommend working in that industry but at least you'd be paid and get to drive around in new cars every day! Give it a year and then move on.

The business that I work in now from time to time take on young lads and pay them the minimum as they know jack about our business, the trick is, we train them and then we pay them more when they get skills. Everyone has something to bring to the table and most learn fast.

Knowing the business, I would never recommend using Hertz as a customer, their practices were a subject of inquiry by the great Joe Duffy a year or two ago. If you want to be liar and a con, work in the car rental biz but hey that might be your only option these days. Rant over. I hope this helps.

kelko1916 · 13-05-2011 07:59PM

karma_ wrote: »

Does asking for a wage to perform work, reek now of entitlement?

certainly not , but thinking you are entitled to sw payments indefinatly while not doing anything paid or unpaid to improve your job prospects is .

kelko1916 · 13-05-2011 08:04PM

Noreen1 wrote: »

Just because you have a business shouldn't entitle you to free labour..........

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

snickerpuss · 13-05-2011 08:50PM

While graduates require experience, what happens once they have worked for free for 9 or so months? There are no jobs because employers can just get the goverment to pay for employees through FAS or people themselves will consent to working for no pay. What happens after an internship when all that's going is more internships?

Why would a business bother to pay staff when they can have an endless supply of extremely well qualified staff that they don't have to pay? I see ads looking for people with honours degrees and professional masters and relevant experience to work for free. That is shocking. All that the government are doing is ensuring there are no jobs.

Forest Master · 13-05-2011 08:58PM

I could understand people being interested if it was say RTE or Sony or a record label or Ardmore Studios, etc - but a car rental company? Who aspires to work for Hertz? It strikes me as a career people settle for, as opposed to aspire to.

wild_cat · 13-05-2011 08:59PM

kelko1916 wrote: »

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

Do they have a fas course in spelling and punctuation?

Noreen1 · 13-05-2011 11:05PM

kelko1916 wrote: »

just because you have a mouth does not entitle you to free food , or it should not . time the unemployed in ireland realised that the days of living a reltivily comfortable life on benifits is coming to an end , training courses / work experiance such as hertz should be compulsory if you are more than 18 months on benifits , if you refuse , starve

A: I'm not unemployed.

B: I fail to see how the Government continuing to pay the equivalent of Unemployment Benefit/Assistance, with a 50 euro per week top-up for good measure, will do anything to help us out of the economic quagmire we are in.

Genuine work experience, with a guaranteed job at the end of it, I could understand - but this....

the_syco · 14-05-2011 10:38PM

kelko1916 wrote: »

the unemployed in ireland

Step one to ensure massive unemployment: create lots of jobs that don't pay.

Step two to ensure massive unemployment: let the government pay them

Step three to ensure massive unemployment: offer people free to other companies

Step four to ensure massive unemployment: wait for companies to suffer "temporary profit loss" and sack most/all of it's workforce

Step five to ensure massive unemployment: let said company get workers back on under different contracts, mainly ones that don't pay people anything

Step six to ensure massive unemployment: profit for the company, massive loss of revenue to the government.

=-=

After 6 to 9 months, you get let go, you are back on SW, and someone replaces you. The country will not have benefited from any taxes that you earned, only the company that you worked for free for will gain anything...

Capt'n Midnight · 14-05-2011 10:46PM

If things are so bad that Hertz can't afford to pay someone the minumum wage , how much have they had to drop their prices by to attract business ??

true · 14-05-2011 11:31PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

If things are so bad that Hertz can't afford to pay someone the minumum wage , how much have they had to drop their prices by to attract business ??

Maybe those complaining about the poor wages offered by Hertz would like to do something positive like set up a car rental operation in Ireland, create jobs in Ireland and pay good wages to their Irish staff. Easy peezy.

ScumLord · 15-05-2011 12:04AM

snickerpuss wrote: »

While graduates require experience, what happens once they have worked for free for 9 or so months? There are no jobs because employers can just get the goverment to pay for employees through FAS or people themselves will consent to working for no pay. What happens after an internship when all that's going is more internships?

Why would a business bother to pay staff when they can have an endless supply of extremely well qualified staff that they don't have to pay? I see ads looking for people with honours degrees and professional masters and relevant experience to work for free. That is shocking. All that the government are doing is ensuring there are no jobs.

There's no harm in them trying but it's unlikely they'll get the top end staff. They can't hope to fill much of their staff positions with free labour, after a certain amount of time I'm pretty sure you have to start paying them which is when they can decide, this guys a good worker or this guys useless let him go.

This is a way of getting cheap labour for a while, as long as there's people willing to do it companies will keep doing it. We won't end up in the position where everyone's working for free because people have to get paid sooner or later or they move on.

sollar · 15-05-2011 12:06AM

I hope someone takes it up and loses them a pile of money.

syklops · 15-05-2011 12:27AM

I am currently involved in the hiring process for a position in the company I work for. Of the people I have talked to, I am seeing a trend.

Question: What have you been working on recently?

A: There is a recession, what can I do?
B: Well there is not a lot of work out there, so I am watching a lot of Jeremy Kyle.
C: I am interning at a local company to fill in the hours, and doing study in the evenings

Im doing research in my spare time, and have written some articles and small pieces of software, would you like to see?

A and B, get a PFO. C and D get invited for a second interview. If you are receiving benefit and want to get a real job, do at least one of three things: Research, study, and Intern. It shows you are a worker. Someone who comes across as a worker, comes across better in an interview than a genius or a PhD who just completed Crysis 2.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 15-05-2011 01:35AM

If you can claim dole whilst doing this it effectively means the taxpayer would be funding the Hertz payroll by proxy.

So if you can claim Hertz should have to contribute to the state coffers for the amount the dole pays

Jezzabelle · 15-05-2011 01:49AM

I recently seen Intel advertising something similar. A company who makes millions upon millions every year wanting somebody to come work for them for free.

This is becoming more and more common since the recession started and I see it as nothing more but complete exploitation of people and taking advantage of poor circumstances many graduates find themselves in after years of study.

Even if they offered minimum wage it would be something, but to expect anyone to come in and do a days work for feck all is just not right.

It will also hamper employment as why would they pay someone to do the job when they can get some young graduate desperate for work experience to do it for nothing.

ScumLord · 15-05-2011 02:20AM

Jezzabelle wrote: »

This is becoming more and more common since the recession started and I see it as nothing more but complete exploitation of people and taking advantage of poor circumstances many graduates find themselves in after years of study.

Welcome to capitolisim.

the_syco · 15-05-2011 02:44AM

Jezzabelle wrote: »

I recently seen Intel advertising something similar. A company who makes millions upon millions every year wanting somebody to come work for them for free.

Working on a skeleton staff, Intel hasn't really been hiring that many last time I checked. Also, like MS and IBM, working in Intel is worth a lot in the eyes of most IT employers.

Jezzabelle · 15-05-2011 03:00AM

the_syco wrote: »

Working on a skeleton staff, Intel hasn't really been hiring that many last time I checked. Also, like MS and IBM, working in Intel is worth a lot in the eyes of most IT employers.

They are hiring. They are just not willing to pay the staff they are hiring.

Yes it would no doubt look good for an IT graduate to have on their CV that they worked for Intel. However, it does not mean that they should be expected to do a job for absolutely no renumeration either. It's exploitation pure and simple.

hertz have some cheek

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