Would you like if ireland adapted usa/uk laws

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 12-05-2011 02:47PM #1

There does be enough giving out and outrage over scandals,corruption,and mere slap on the wrist type sentences.

Sykk · 12-05-2011 02:50PM

Some.. yes.

For example.. Rape only gets you 7 or so years here.. If the judge is harsh. I think sexual predators should have at least 20 years to think about why they destroyed someones life/personality and confidence. All the while getting done up the arse by "Big ben" with the tattoos every day for the 20 years, just to taste some of what was inflicted.

Gun laws etc, no.

theboss80 · 12-05-2011 02:53PM

2nd ammendment seems cool

u140acro3xs7dm · 12-05-2011 02:55PM

I would like the 3 strike rule to come in for certain offences like rape or serious assault/GBH type of thing. You hear so many stories of people out on parole or bale and they kill someone even though they have 10 or 20 convictions.

Also for white collar crime, Lock them up until the national debt has been paid off.

neilthefunkeone · 12-05-2011 02:56PM

Love to be able to turn left on a red light.. Absolute genius!!!!:D

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-05-2011 02:57PM

Sykk wrote: »

Some.. yes.

For example.. Rape only gets you 7 or so years here.. If the judge is harsh. I think sexual predators should have at least 20 years to think about why they destroyed someones life/personality and confidence. All the while getting done up the arse by "Big ben" with the tattoos every day for the 20 years, just to taste some of what was inflicted.

Gun laws etc, no.

I actually don't care whether they think about it. They should just be off the streets for public safety.

Particularly repeat offenders - they should never see the light of day again. Is there actually evidence they can be "cured" or is it just this modern obsession that people are inherently good?

Capt'n Midnight · 12-05-2011 03:17PM

Patriot Act etc.

Right to silence can be held against you.

Parliament can change any law at any time without needing a referendum.

We already have enough laws , we just need these laws to be enforced such that people aren't tempted to break them because they know that in the unlikely event of being prosecuted a good lawyer will get them off.

rossie1977 · 12-05-2011 03:33PM

well the states have about 10 times the prison population per capita we do so i guess we would need to start building alot of new prisons for one

YFlyer · 12-05-2011 03:36PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

well the states have about 10 times the prison population per capita we do so i guess we would need to start building alot of new prisons for one

We could put them on 'house arrest.' There is plenty lying idle.

yeppydeppy · 12-05-2011 03:37PM

If we adapted their laws? I'm fine with that but I'm not sure how they would feel. First thing to do would be change their fiscal policy to bail us out.

HappyTuesday · 12-05-2011 03:38PM

Does any country castrate paedophiles and rapists as punishment?...

Wompa1 · 12-05-2011 04:17PM

PedoPriest wrote: »

Does any country castrate paedophiles and rapists as punishment?...

I think some states in America offer it as a punishment for a reduced sentence

Saila · 12-05-2011 04:23PM

yeah bring back the death penalty, there is no deterrants!

mgmt · 12-05-2011 04:33PM

A life-sentence should mean life. Zero tolerance in prisons.

Mint Sauce · 12-05-2011 04:46PM

Your talking about sentencing OP.

Most of our actual laws (not the sentencing), actully originate from the UK, and precidents set there.

immature ejaculation · 12-05-2011 05:05PM

not to sure about the right to arm bears!!!

dvpower · 12-05-2011 05:07PM

Would you like if ireland adapted usa/uk laws

I'd say the USA / UK would be pissed off.

RussellTuring · 12-05-2011 06:04PM

No I certainly would not. Between America's ridiculous drug laws, death penalty and policies such as three-strikes that just don't work and the UK's libel laws, I think we're doing grand. There are a few I don't like such as explicit permission for religious discrimination but I don't think we should adopt anyone else's. I wouldn't mind if we just started from scratch.

holystungun9 · 12-05-2011 06:09PM

mgmt wrote: »

A life-sentence should mean life. Zero tolerance in prisons.

You mean like when it's your 'turn' to spend the night with Big bubba, and you are not allowed to put it off coz of your 'headache'.

pragmatic1 · 12-05-2011 06:18PM

We already have a common law system like those two countries.

CrazyRabbit · 12-05-2011 06:57PM

The American 'justice' system is heavily biased against poor people & non-whites. It also rarely considers rehabilitation as an option and instead focuses on extremely long sentences...in many cases well out of proportion to the crime committed. These sentences do not deter crime & cost the tax payers a huge sum of money. Hell, prisons are actually big business in America with the owners encouraging/lobbying for longer sentences & jail time for more minor offences.

It should actually be called the 'American injustice system'.

Their laws also strongly encourage frivolous lawsuits and litigation over the smallest of issues.

So...no thanks.

As for the UK...well they are America's puppet and their laws are slowly changing to be more American.

Irish law is far from perfect, and sentences for some offences/repeat offences do need to be increased. But overall, I'd prefer to see people treated/rehabilitated as you can only keep them locked up for so long, and it costs us a fortune to do so. I'd also like to see more harsh non-prison sentences....like hard labour for example.

dr gonzo · 12-05-2011 07:06PM

The legal system? Nope, the Irish legal system is flawed for sure but the three strike system among many other issues makes the US system quite unappealing.

However on a similar note i think the bill of rights is something every country should think about adopting in some form or another. Some of it doesnt really apply anymore such as quartering of troops and i certainly dont mean the second amendment but some of the others are exceptionally important to the US and could be adopted here if we dont have them already... we probably do, im clueless about the Irish constitution.

PedoPriest wrote: »

Does any country castrate paedophiles and rapists as punishment?...

Only happened recently in the states. Surgical castration no less.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-05-2011 01:27AM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I think some states in America offer it as a punishment for a reduced sentence

Chemical Castration , not sure if it's permenant.

Also those sort of crimes are more likely to be about power than sex.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-05-2011 01:36AM

immature ejaculation wrote: »

not to sure about the right to arm bears!!!

:rolleyes:

It's the right to wear short sleeves. :pac:

Actually only the militia have the right to bear arms, the population at large does NOT. And calling yourself a milita doesn't make you THE militia. Especially if you haven't been enrolled. Basically it's another name for the National Guard.
http://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1792

Capt'n Midnight · 13-05-2011 01:38AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

The American 'justice' system is heavily biased against poor people & non-whites.

I think OJ would disagree with you.

The US system treats all equally regardless of colour, creed or race. It's the best justice money can buy.

CrazyRabbit · 13-05-2011 02:01AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I think OJ would disagree with you.

The US system treats all equally regardless of colour, creed or race. It's the best justice money can buy.

He was hardly poor.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-05-2011 11:59AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

He was hardly poor.

point is that if you only tick one of the poor / non-white boxes you'll have a much better outcome

for the death penalty being coloured / poor / southern / below average IQ arer risk factors (Can't remember if the victim being white is also a risk factor)

prinz · 13-05-2011 12:21PM

Longer sentencing, and some sort of 'three strikes' policy. Repeat offending is laughable at this stage. Dublin woman up in court recently for attemtped theft had 100+ previous convictions for the same. I'd argue for the introduction of chain-gangs of prisoners doing public work too.. picking litter, cutting grass, whatever..

orourkeda · 13-05-2011 12:25PM

Lets not pretend to kid ourselves by pretending that the U.S and U.K legal systems are perfect.

orourkeda · 13-05-2011 12:27PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I think OJ would disagree with you.

The US system treats all equally regardless of colour, creed or race. It's the best justice money can buy.

Nonsense. Like most other things in life money can buy "justice" also.

RussellTuring · 13-05-2011 02:27PM

prinz wrote: »

Longer sentencing, and some sort of 'three strikes' policy. Repeat offending is laughable at this stage. Dublin woman up in court recently for attemtped theft had 100+ previous convictions for the same. I'd argue for the introduction of chain-gangs of prisoners doing public work too.. picking litter, cutting grass, whatever..

Do you want Three Strikes because you think it will deter crime or because you want to punish criminals with lengthy sentences? If it's the former, you might want to reevaluate your position: three strikes involves people receiving 25 year sentences for shoplifting a few dollars' worth of stuff, having already served the applicable sentences for their previous convictions. When they know that they are going to receive a mandatory life sentence for something like this they are much more likely to resist arrest, making the job more dangerous for police.

It would be cruel enough if it worked but it doesn't even do this. It's had little or no discernible effect on recidivism or overall crime rates. I can only hope that people will some day realise we can't successfully prevent crime by coming up with new ways to punish offenders; we have to tackle whatever causes the criminal behaviour in the first place. Enacting legislation based on sports terminology is not the way to go.

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