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Thinking about becoming a Priest

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  • #32
    suarez9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭suarez9


    Hebrews chp 10 is ur answer


  • #33
    aviteire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭aviteire


    suarez9 wrote: »
    Hebrews chp 10 is ur answer

    Not 100% sure if that post was directed to me ?
    However, I read Hebrews chapter 10, all 39 ver. Interesting to read, did not fully understand each ver but can you explain in detail please how that is my answer ?

    Thank you :)


  • #34
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    You might want to think about getting some Bible commentaries (Tom Wright does an excellent series on the various books of the NT, including Hebrews) or a study Bible. I quite like the ESV.


  • #35
    Donatello
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Donatello


    Since the OP is interested in the Catholic priesthood, it would be well-advised to stick to Catholic Bible commentaries.

    If there is a Veritas store near you, you should be able to pick up a Catholic Bible commentary very easily.


  • #36
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Wow. Before this thread I'd temporarily let how awful Catholicism is fade away... But then this thread hit all the buttons - we want priests who:

    Are homophobic
    Are sexually repressed
    Spend more time saying outdated prayers than helping people in real terms
    Are willing to commit to a life of loneliness and emotional repression
    Must not be fat, or partake in any addictive substances (make sure your local PP refuses caffeine-filled cups of tea)
    Is against the LGBT lifestyle - Jesus' love is for all - once you follow his horrid rules
    Is anti-choice... The regular moronic people are there to be bullied, lied to and co-erced into rejecting divorce, abortion, contraception among other things. Free choice would not exist in a Catholic-controlled world.
    Make sure the public catholic message boils down not to love, or acceptance - but instead a "with us or against us" mentality, with those who do not follow the rules of Christ getting chucked into a firey pit of torment and agony. Sound.


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  • #37
    Donatello
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Donatello


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Wow. Before this thread I'd temporarily let how awful Catholicism is fade away... But then this thread hit all the buttons - we want priests who:

    Are homophobic

    What does homophobic mean? What do you mean by your use of the term?


  • #38
    Michael G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Michael G


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Wow. Before this thread I'd temporarily let how awful Catholicism is fade away... But then this thread hit all the buttons - we want priests who:

    Are homophobic
    Are sexually repressed
    Spend more time saying outdated prayers than helping people in real terms
    Are willing to commit to a life of loneliness and emotional repression
    Must not be fat, or partake in any addictive substances (make sure your local PP refuses caffeine-filled cups of tea)
    Is against the LGBT lifestyle - Jesus' love is for all - once you follow his horrid rules
    Is anti-choice... The regular moronic people are there to be bullied, lied to and co-erced into rejecting divorce, abortion, contraception among other things. Free choice would not exist in a Catholic-controlled world.
    Make sure the public catholic message boils down not to love, or acceptance - but instead a "with us or against us" mentality, with those who do not follow the rules of Christ getting chucked into a firey pit of torment and agony. Sound.
    Go away and breathe deeply for a few minutes. You have wandered into the wrong space and you seem to have upset yourself a bit. You probably wouldn't want prayers, so we will all ask Tony Quinn to think positively about you.


  • #39
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Wow. Before this thread I'd temporarily let how awful Catholicism is fade away... But then this thread hit all the buttons - we want priests who:

    Are homophobic
    Are sexually repressed
    Spend more time saying outdated prayers than helping people in real terms
    Are willing to commit to a life of loneliness and emotional repression
    Must not be fat, or partake in any addictive substances (make sure your local PP refuses caffeine-filled cups of tea)
    Is against the LGBT lifestyle - Jesus' love is for all - once you follow his horrid rules
    Is anti-choice... The regular moronic people are there to be bullied, lied to and co-erced into rejecting divorce, abortion, contraception among other things. Free choice would not exist in a Catholic-controlled world.
    Make sure the public catholic message boils down not to love, or acceptance - but instead a "with us or against us" mentality, with those who do not follow the rules of Christ getting chucked into a firey pit of torment and agony. Sound.


    AH is over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.


  • #40
    smoggy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭smoggy11


    Donatello wrote: »
    What does homophobic mean? What do you mean by your use of the term?

    I would have thought this was pretty standard. Homophobia: irrational fear of the gay lifestyle.

    Personally, I was reading the standards for a good priest back there and they could have quite easily been applied to a cult. I also fail to understand this forced celibacy on priests.

    A priest is supposed to be more than just a religious presence in the community. He is called upon to give marital, parental and general family advise.How can he do this if he has no first hand experience. As a previous poster said you, wouldn't look for water in the desert.


  • #41
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Michael G wrote: »
    You probably wouldn't want prayers, so we will all ask Tony Quinn to think positively about you.

    Same difference really, except for the fact Tony listens ;)

    I do love all this "get out, wrong place" reaction - surely Walls of faith are built with sturdier foundations?


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  • #42
    aviteire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭aviteire


    The catholic church is not about rules. They are Ideals, and as people, we can all fall short of an ideal, even men of the cloth can.
    Anything that can help us live good lives is wonderfull. Catholics who live up to these ideals live good lives.
    The law on celibacy, is a man made one and can be changed. Not everyone is called to be married, and If I was a priest, I think that we should listen to those that have this call.
    @ the above poster, I feel you have posted your thoughts in the wrong thread.
    This is simply a forum for reasoning the choice of the priest hood for myself.
    Feel free to start a new topic, but your post does not help me in anyway at all during mydiscernment.


  • #43
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    smoggy11 wrote: »

    A priest is supposed to be more than just a religious presence in the community. He is called upon to give marital, parental and general family advise.How can he do this if he has no first hand experience.

    How can an oncologist give advice on cancer if he has no first hand experience?

    or a male obgyn give advice on childbirth?
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    As a previous poster said you, wouldn't look for water in the desert.

    Someone should inform Bear Grylls, not to mention the desert nomadics


  • #44
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    aviteire wrote: »
    .
    @ the above poster, I feel you have posted your thoughts in the wrong thread.
    This is simply a forum for reasoning the choice of the priest hood for myself.
    Feel free to start a new topic, but your post does not help me in anyway at all during mydiscernment.

    it's perfectly in line with the nature of the thread - the reasoning behind, and pros and cons of joining the priesthood. My first post was the harsh, un-sugar coated version of what the church want in their priests. Just because something is bluntly worded does not devalue it or make it irrelevant.


  • #45
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    it's perfectly in line with the nature of the thread - the reasoning behind, and pros and cons of joining the priesthood. My first post was the harsh, un-sugar coated version of what the church want in their priests. Just because something is bluntly worded does not devalue it or make it irrelevant.

    Can we take it you have first hand experience?


  • #46
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Festus wrote: »
    Can we take it you have first hand experience?

    Of...?


  • #47
    aviteire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭aviteire


    I will be blunt about celibacy for men of the cloth!

    If RC priests where allowed marry,have children etc, then the church would have to also provide accom, allowence etc for the family.

    The RC church does not want this expence, hence we have celibacy.

    It all boils down to money in my opinion!


  • #48
    smoggy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭smoggy11


    aviteire wrote: »
    The catholic church is not about rules. They are Ideals, and as people, we can all fall short of an ideal, even men of the cloth can.
    Anything that can help us live good lives is wonderfull. Catholics who live up to these ideals live good lives.
    The law on celibacy, is a man made one and can be changed. Not everyone is called to be married, and If I was a priest, I think that we should listen to those that have this call.
    @ the above poster, I feel you have posted your thoughts in the wrong thread.
    This is simply a forum for reasoning the choice of the priest hood for myself.
    Feel free to start a new topic, but your post does not help me in anyway at all during mydiscernment.

    But what the previous posters are saying is that in order to be a priest you have to live these ideals. There is no room for error here. To fall short is to, in essence, fail god.

    From reading your post I really think you should consider social work. I don't think the priesthood is necessarily the right option for you. I would get involved in some community programs and take it from there. The priesthood will always be there.

    In reply to the water analogy, a previous poster used it to illustrate that you shouldn't ask questions about religion in the athiest forum. Personally I would not feel comfortable going to a priest about marital problems. I'm sure many others would feel that way too.


  • #49
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Of...?
    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    it's perfectly in line with the nature of the thread - the reasoning behind, and pros and cons of joining the priesthood. My first post was the harsh, un-sugar coated version of what the church want in their priests. Just because something is bluntly worded does not devalue it or make it irrelevant.

    I've highlighted the relevant bit.

    You seem to think you know what the Church wants in her priests so one would take it you tried to become a priest and failed or are a failed priest and hence know what the Church wants.

    Perhaps you can provide some support for what you think the Church wants.

    Or are you just in the mood for a rant...


  • #50
    acwxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭acwxx


    Oh dear. Becoming a priest because you feel religious is a bit drastic. Give yourself a chance. Why not volunteer abroad with one of the big charities who will allow you to really make a difference to others in need. There is lots that you can do that will allow you to be dedicated to your religion, be a good person and do the right thing without throwing your life away...


  • #51
    Michael G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Michael G


    smoggy11 wrote: »
    Homophobia: irrational fear of the gay lifestyle.
    That is a made-up word and if it has any meaning that is not it. In general use it means not liking homosexuls, not being afraid of them.
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    Personally, I was reading the standards for a good priest back there and they could have quite easily been applied to a cult.
    That is enlightening for all of us, but it would be even more so if you could indentify, and describe in detail, some of those cults.
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    I also fail to understand this forced celibacy on priests.
    The priest is supposed to give everything he has to being a priest, and taking the place of Christ as alter Christus when he says Mass or gives Absolution. If he is dedicated to that, how can he be a good husband and father as well?
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    A priest is supposed to be more than just a religious presence in the community. He is called upon to give marital, parental and general family advise.How can he do this if he has no first hand experience. As a previous poster said you, wouldn't look for water in the desert.
    No, all he is for is to be a priest and to say Mass and administer the Sacraments. If he is good at giving marital, parental and general advice, fine; if he isn't, it was never his job.


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  • #52
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    smoggy11 wrote: »
    Personally I would not feel comfortable going to a priest about marital problems. I'm sure many others would feel that way too.

    If it is the case that the priests lack of first hand experience is an issue perhaps you would be better taking them to a prostitute.

    Almost as cheap and equally good at listening.


  • #53
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Festus wrote: »
    I've highlighted the relevant bit.

    You seem to think you know what the Church wants in her priests so one would take it you tried to become a priest and failed or are a failed priest and hence know what the Church wants.

    Perhaps you can provide some support for what you think the Church wants.

    Or are you just in the mood for a rant...

    Actually I was paraphrasing from the christian posters earlier in the thread and the sources provided. I'm currently on a mobile device, so can't go back and quote, but if you require serious handholding where I quote and painstakingly point out all my points I can do so tomorrow?
    Or you could read the thread again with my points in mind... Shouldn't be a problem, after all, patience is a virtue... right? ;)


  • #54
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Actually I was paraphrasing from the christian posters earlier in the thread and the sources provided. I'm currently on a mobile device, so can't go back and quote, but if you require serious handholding where I quote and painstakingly point out all my points I can do so tomorrow?
    Or you could read the thread again with my points in mind... Shouldn't be a problem, after all, patience is a virtue... right? ;)

    You can hold my hand anytime sweets, you brute. I do hope you're hairy.

    I'll be waiting for you x x x


  • #55
    Onesimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Onesimus


    smoggy11 wrote: »
    But what the previous posters are saying is that in order to be a priest you have to live these ideals. There is no room for error here. To fall short is to, in essence, fail god.

    From reading your post I really think you should consider social work. I don't think the priesthood is necessarily the right option for you. I would get involved in some community programs and take it from there. The priesthood will always be there.

    In reply to the water analogy, a previous poster used it to illustrate that you shouldn't ask questions about religion in the athiest forum. Personally I would not feel comfortable going to a priest about marital problems. I'm sure many others would feel that way too.

    No sure a priest never was born of married parents and grew up within a family and witnessed firsthand how a marriage works. :rolleyes:


  • #56
    smoggy11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭smoggy11


    Michael G wrote: »
    That is a made-up word and if it has any meaning that is not it. In general use it means not liking homosexuls, not being afraid of them.

    The priest is supposed to give everything he has to being a priest, and taking the place of Christ as alter Christus when he says Mass or gives Absolution. If he is dedicated to that, how can he be a good husband and father as well?


    No, all he is for is to be a priest and to say Mass and administer the Sacraments. If he is good at giving marital, parental and general advice, fine; if he isn't, it was never his job.

    Okay, firstly a phobia is an irrational fear. Arachnophobia is an irrational fear of spiders, not being a tad squeamish about them. Secondly, of course it's a man made word, all words are.

    If a priest is not supposed to give marital advice then why are they allowed to decree that couples can't use condoms? Or have an opinion on divorce and remarriage? Protestant ministers have families and manage just fine. It gives their congregation someone to relate to and ultimately makes faith more accessible.

    Also, no harm but if the previous poster thinks a prostitute is an appropriate way to solve marital problems (notice i didn't specify sex) then you have more serious problems than you think. Might I suggest personal issues.


  • #57
    tenchi-fan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭tenchi-fan


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Wow. Before this thread I'd temporarily let how awful Catholicism is fade away...

    Jimmy, if you started your own catholic-bashing thread it would be locked in 2 seconds. So why hijack other people's threads and drag them off-topic?


  • #58
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    it's perfectly in line with the nature of the thread - the reasoning behind, and pros and cons of joining the priesthood. My first post was the harsh, un-sugar coated version of what the church want in their priests. Just because something is bluntly worded does not devalue it or make it irrelevant.

    Read the charter. This is your only warning.


  • #59
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    Read the charter. This is your only warning.

    Noted ;)
    I'll PM you later for an explanation.


  • #60
    Festus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    smoggy11 wrote: »
    Okay, firstly a phobia is an irrational fear. Arachnophobia is an irrational fear of spiders, not being a tad squeamish about them. Secondly, of course it's a man made word, all words are.

    etymologically speaking homophobia is a fear of human beings, from the latin homo and the greek phobos.
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    If a priest is not supposed to give marital advice then why are they allowed to decree that couples can't use condoms? Or have an opinion on divorce and remarriage? Protestant ministers have families and manage just fine. It gives their congregation someone to relate to and ultimately makes faith more accessible.

    The priests cannot decree - it is Church teaching. They do not have an "opinion" on divorce or remarriage, these again are Church teaching.
    Protestant ministers may on appearances be more accessible but they still have families. So if there is a choice between a pastoral case when they have a family emergency who comes first?
    smoggy11 wrote: »
    Also, no harm but if the previous poster thinks a prostitute is an appropriate way to solve marital problems (notice i didn't specify sex) then you have more serious problems than you think. Might I suggest personal issues.

    If you cannot speak to me directly perhaps you have festusphobia.
    You clearly have hetairaphobia.


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  • #61
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    aviteire wrote: »
    I will be blunt about celibacy for men of the cloth!

    If RC priests where allowed marry,have children etc, then the church would have to also provide accom, allowence etc for the family.

    The RC church does not want this expence, hence we have celibacy.

    It all boils down to money in my opinion!

    How come other churches are able to do this just fine?


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