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America=Nazi Germany- Mick Wallace

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭ddef


    what is it with the anger over the killing of Osama?
    If he attacked Dublin and killed 3000+ plus of my fellow countrymen and the ARW went over there and killed him, I would be damn proud of them for getting justice for everyone killed.
    and back on track, Mick Wallace is a scruffy moron, and to make that accusation is despicable. He should be ashamed of himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    I'm far from 'anti-American'; i support much of what America purports to stand for. That's why i was in agreement with much of what Vincent Browne was saying on his show tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    You're easily impressed.

    respect =/= impressed. I don't agree with a lot of his policies it's just one issue I would like to see removed from society. I hate suits and never wear them and the (even small amount) of harassment I get from people is pathetic and hopefully he and others can change these attitudes that pride in appearance == wearing a suit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TaraFoxglove


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    respect =/= impressed. I don't agree with a lot of his policies it's just one issue I would like to see removed from society. I hate suits and never wear them and the (even small amount) of harassment I get from people is pathetic and hopefully he and others can change these attitudes that pride in appearance == wearing a suit.

    Different clothes I wear put me in different frames of mind. Anything but smart clothes would feel totally wrong to me in the Dáil.

    But if I thought Mick Wallace was brilliant, I would acknowledge that. But I don't. So, I don't rate him as a politician and he looks sloppy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    ddef wrote: »
    what is it with the anger over the killing of Osama?
    - He should have got a trial - even Saddam got one
    - It's symbolic only, it won't end tensions/islamic fundamentalism
    - There may be revenge attacks - hello way stricter airport security


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

    Bahahahahaahahahahahah!!!!

    heh hehe ehehh Mwahahahahahahahaa!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Veles wrote: »
    I had requested a Judaism forum.
    link is here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056019187

    It's been asked for a couple of times that I noticed, both times refused.

    Ireland was generally indifferent to the Jews during the 1940s, and now they compare the US to Nazi Germany.

    So what if it has a tiny population in Ireland? Its still a population and its still an interesting history and presence here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    At about the 25min mark, Power said to Wallace you are equating USA with Nazi Germany, Wallace shook his head and said the USA are responsible for a lot of the worlds problems at international level, Power then said if it wasn't for the Americans half of Europe would be speaking German.
    Wallace then said he didn't think Germany was any worse a superpower than the USA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Different clothes I wear put me in different frames of mind. Anything but smart clothes would feel totally wrong to me in the Dáil.

    But if I thought Mick Wallace was brilliant, I would acknowledge that. But I don't. So, I don't rate him as a politician and he looks sloppy.

    And that's fine but please keep in mind that others don't feel the same re: clothes and how they make you feel.

    I'm never going to be out canvassing for the guy it's just one positive I take from his place in the Dail. Kind of (very loosely) like if you were black and the first black TD is elected but you think he's an idiot kind of thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    It's been asked for a couple of times that I noticed, both times refused.
    I really wouldn't read into that as an anti semitic conspiracy.
    Ireland was generally indifferent to the Jews during the 1940s
    True. People are more educated now though - unless you feel the Irish of today deserve to carry the flack for their grandparents and older? Not dissimilar thinking to the type of thinking you're objecting to.
    and now they compare the US to Nazi Germany.
    "They"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    ddef wrote: »
    what is it with the anger over the killing of Osama?
    If he attacked Dublin and killed 3000+ plus of my fellow countrymen and the ARW went over there and killed him, I would be damn proud of them for getting justice for everyone killed.
    and back on track, Mick Wallace is a scruffy moron, and to make that accusation is despicable. He should be ashamed of himself.

    What's wrong with doing justice the right way though?

    Killing someone in the manner they appeared to have is a Breach of international law and appears to have been an execution (without trial) and is that right?

    If any country entered American airspace, landed on the ground and carried out a military operation without the knowledge or consent of America, they'd probably be the subject of airstrikes by US bombers.

    It always appear to be one law for them and another for others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Uriel. wrote: »
    What's wrong with doing justice the right way though?

    Killing someone in the manner they appeared to have is a Breach of international law and appears to have been an execution (without trial) and is that right?

    If any country entered American airspace, landed on the ground and carried out a military operation without the knowledge or consent of America, they'd probably be the subject of airstrikes by US bombers.

    It always appear to be one law for them and another for others


    That's my problem with the US Government.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    It's been asked for a couple of times that I noticed, both times refused.

    Ireland was generally indifferent to the Jews during the 1940s, and now they compare the US to Nazi Germany.

    So what if it has a tiny population in Ireland? Its still a population and its still an interesting history and presence here.
    Anybody ever posted a thread about Judaism? It could probably be discussed in Spirituality, Christianity (kinda), or History/Heritage if there was such an interest. You'd swear there was dozens of Jews wandering around boards for 40 years, trying to find some forum to take them... If there was a Judaism forum, it would probably get barely any traffic. Forums shouldn't be created to satisfy some people's desire for equality/political correctness. It's to facilitate discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Dudess wrote: »
    "They"?

    Indeed Dudess, don't you know when one person says something it's what the entire country thinks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    It's been asked for a couple of times that I noticed, both times refused.

    What was the basis of refusal? Say for example was it lack of interest? The refusal proves nothing in regards to your claims regarding Anti-semetism.
    Ireland was generally indifferent to the Jews during the 1940s, and now they compare the US to Nazi Germany.

    A single man, who may very well not have said what is being attributed to him, does not represent the entire country. Again, grasping at straws.
    So what if it has a tiny population in Ireland? Its still a population and its still an interesting history and presence here.

    So, by your logic, we hate Sikhs and Hindus, as there are no boards forums for either of those Religions (both with far more adherents world wide, and probably in Ireland as well) either.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Rubbish thread - Mick Wallace said nothing of the sort. The so called security expert nutcase made the point that Wallace was making America sound like Nazi Germany.

    That's how I remember it too. Lad was clearly off his head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Dave! wrote: »
    Anybody ever posted a thread about Judaism? It could probably be discussed in Spirituality, Christianity (kinda), or History/Heritage if there was such an interest. You'd swear there was dozens of Jews wandering around boards for 40 years, trying to find some forum to take them... If there was a Judaism forum, it would probably get barely any traffic. Forums shouldn't be created to satisfy some people's desire for equality/political correctness. It's to facilitate discussion.
    Yeah I'd be really interested in such a forum, but if there's hardly any traffic I'd forget about it. I was really keen on the Cold War forum, but it's dead and I never go in there. An empty forum is a pointless one, even if it's interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Indeed Dudess, don't you know when one person says something it's what the entire country thinks?

    In this instance, it would seem that when one person is alleged to have said something it's what the entire country thinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    I think we can all agree, this whole Bin Laden debacle has done nothing but bring out the best in everybody involved or with an opinion.




    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Einhard wrote: »
    I know that there is a fairly vicious undercurent of anti-Americanism amongst the intellegensia, and other elements of the Left in Ireland, and in Europe in general, but generally speaking, it is expressed diplomatically, and through equivocation, rather than just expressed openly.

    Was I the only one who laughed?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    Einhard wrote: »
    I know that there is a fairly vicious undercurent of anti-Americanism amongst the intellegensia, and other elements of the Left in Ireland, and in Europe in general, but generally speaking, it is expressed diplomatically, and through equivocation, rather than just expressed openly.

    Tonight Mick Wallace brought it right out into the open. Over the past few days, there have been attempts in certain quarters of the Irish media, and politics, to portray the killing of Osama bin Laden as a great wrong, as another dark mark against America. This reaction wasn't all that surprising.

    However, a few moments ago on Vincent Brown, Mick Wallace stated openly, that the actions of Nazi Germany as a superpower, weren't any different to those of America. This is a shocking allegation, and betrays the deep hatred of America that festers in certain sectors of Irish and European thought. It's despicable, and offensive.

    America is far from perfect. Her actions in South America in the 70s and 80s were outrageous; her intervention in SE Asia no better. However, in comparison to every other superpower through history, America has been a relative model of probity. After WWII, as the USSR hoovered up the shattered remains of Eastern Europe, and incorporated then within her grim empire, America not only withdrew from the West, but encouraged growth and both economic and democratic development through Marshall Aid. At the same time, America was establishing the basis for a free and democratic Japan.

    Indeed, after WWII, America was the sole possessor of the most potent weapon ever created. The world was, quite literaly, hers to do with as she pleased. Nothing could have stood in her way, had she chosen to turn her nuclear weapons against other countries. She did nothing. She helped Europe, and Japan. The thought of either Nazin Germany, or Soviet Russia having sole control over such a weapon is terrifying. We can be damn sure that neither power would have been hesitant in using it.

    That's not even to mention the murder of at least 6 million civilians by the Nazis, the brutalisation of much of Europe, the plunder and pillage and rape that inevitably followed Blitzkreig, the supression of all dissent and forms of free speech, the destruction of democratic means...

    And yet, that blathering, barely coherent, idiot of a TD equates the Nazis of Auschwitz and the death camps, with the democratic America. It's an outrageous slur, and an embarassing accusation, and as an Irish person who, whilst acknowledging the flaws of America, is damn glad of her existence, I totally repudiate Wallace's uninformed and despicable comparison. He should be ashamed of himself.
    So really it's just a case of you believing that murder is acceptable, deepening on who they are of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    ascanbe wrote: »
    In this instance, it would seem that when one person is alleged to have said something it's what the entire country thinks.

    He's an elected representative isnt he? Does that not suggest to you that a significant number of people elected him to speak for them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah I'd be really interested in such a forum, but if there's hardly any traffic I'd forget about it. I was really keen on the Cold War forum, but it's dead and I never go in there. An empty forum is a pointless one, even if it's interesting.

    Got to be Scientology for me. What a fascinating religion but the problem there is that the religious forums on boards are more for catering to their believers than for discussion on them (not that it doesn't happen it's just how they are "focused") though the A&A forum is similar it kind of feels like it belongs to us heathens and others come into "our" forum to discuss. So in that case a Scientology forum would be wasted. Anywho I'm away off topic eh ... erm.. down with the nayzees.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    He's an elected representative isnt he? Does that not suggest to you that a significant number of people elected him to speak for them?

    Give it up Metro you're talking out of your ass. You're probably one of those sneaky Jews we all hate so much. I'm on to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    He's an elected representative isnt he? Does that not suggest to you that a significant number of people elected him to speak for them?

    Was an anti-semitism agenda part of his election campaign?
    Does the constancy of wexford represent the nation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    strobe wrote: »
    Give it up Metro you're talking out of your ass. Your probably one of those sneaky Jews we all hate so much. I'm on to you.

    LOL.
    Normally I'd be like wtf with a comment like this, but considering the pure sh1tw that metrovelvet is posting, ucant but laugh at this post :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭VNP


    Anti Mick Wallace thread I think, post up a transcript of his exact words dont just paraphrase out of context as a thread starter, fecking ultra pro american, sensative moaner. The guys appearance is a breath of fresh air amid the stuffy guff of the other filthy lying lowlife career politicians in that place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    He's an elected representative isnt he? Does that not suggest to you that a significant number of people elected him to speak for them?

    He wasn't elected by the entire country......

    Would it be acceptable to you for me to do the same in regards to US, by finding a one member of the US Congress or US senate saying something stupid and then attributing it to all Americans?

    Also, hugely ironic for someone complaining about Anti-Americanism, to be engaging in comments that seem pretty damn Anti-Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    wes wrote: »
    He wasn't elected by the entire country......

    Would it be acceptable to you for me to do the same in regards to US, by finding a one member of the US Congress or US senate saying something stupid and then attributing it to all Americans?

    Also, hugely ironic for someone complaining about Anti-Americanism, to be engaging in comments that seem pretty damn Anti-Irish.

    People do it all the time. Go ahead. Im used to it.

    You think this is the first time I've heard an Irish person say the US is like Nazi Germany?

    Of course I can mitigate that experience by another one where I was called a kike and I'm not even Jewish.

    Far from it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    He's an elected representative isnt he? Does that not suggest to you that a significant number of people elected him to speak for them?

    Firstly, i'm not sure he actually said that.
    Secondly, you'd have to ask those that voted for him if they see everything he says as 'speaking for them'; i'd imagine the majority of them wouldn't.
    I voted for a candidate in the last election on basis of agreeing with some their policies and finding them preferable to the other options; that doesn't mean that every word that comes out of their mouth can suddenly be construed as speaking on my behalf.


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