America=Nazi Germany- Mick Wallace

Krusader · 05-05-2011 12:17AM

What Einhard said that Mick Wallace said on Vincent Browne is a blatant lie, he made no comparison between America and nazi germany, he was verbally attacked by another guest using nazi germany as an example

FlutterinBantam · 05-05-2011 12:17AM

Uriel. wrote: »

But of interest (and I font know the answer to this) but do these mad ****ers" want to destroy the west, cos that's just what they want, or are the likes of 9/11 and the general hatred of the west a result of the West's and particularly America's interference with there way of life etc...

let's put it this way, American 'interference' with their way of life depends on whether they want to interfere with America's way of life or not;)

Good man.

wild_cat · 05-05-2011 12:18AM

So Mick Wallace actually said "America is like nazi Germany?"

or did someone else say it to him?

I didn't see it can someone please clarify? Seems like a pretty slanderous and stupid thing to say someone said if they didn't actually say it.

Krusader · 05-05-2011 12:19AM

wild_cat wrote: »

So Mick Wallace actually said "America is like nazi Germany?"

or did someone else say it to him?

I didn't see it can someone please clarify? Seems like a pretty slanderous and stupid thing to say someone said if they didn't actually say it.

no he didn't

Einhard · 05-05-2011 12:20AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Rubbish thread - Mick Wallace said nothing of the sort. The so called security expert nutcase made the point that Wallace was making America sound like Nazi Germany.

And Wallace responded that he didn't think that the actions of a superpower Nazi Germany were any differnt to those of America.

Sisko · 05-05-2011 12:20AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let's put it this way, American 'interference' with their way of life depends on whether they want to interfere with America's way of life or not;)

Good man.

Sweet jesus....

wes · 05-05-2011 12:20AM

So from what multiple posters have said, the comment being attributed Mick Wallace isn't exactly true.

So can those who making the claim that Mick Wallace compared the US to the Nazi's provide a transcript or some video to back up there claims? As it stands, the claims being made look dodgy to me.

donfers · 05-05-2011 12:21AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

Yes. Finally it's out from under the carpet.

However,if that TD genuinely believes what he said, he obviously doesnt know much about Nazi Germany, which doesn't do much to help Ireland's anti-semetic rep.

I hope tourism drops to nothing in this country because of that guy.

oh come on, you have made countless inflammatory comments about Ireland in the past (never compared us to nazi germany though i'll grant you that) so please realise and accept sometimes people are excessively critical of states or nations (amongst other things), it doesn't really matter at all unless powerholders are affected in some way and what Mick Wallace thinks about the US and what you think about Ireland will most likely not have much impact on US foreign policy or Irish society but both of you are of course entitled to your opinions

starbelgrade · 05-05-2011 12:21AM

I can't stand Vincent Brown - he looks like he's mad.

I've no idea who Mick Wallace is and I couldn't be arsed Googling him as he's bound to be some minor player in the social fabric of Ireland.

And I think that what the US did the other day was a despicable act. The world is most likely a better place without Bin Laden, but that is no excuse for flagrantly violating protocol on human rights, or international laws.

Is that comparable to what the Nazis did? Not really. But then again, you probably need something like that to be said on the Vincent Brown show every now & again so it makes the headlines the next day. Otherwise, no-one would watch the miserable shite that parades itself as a current affairs programme.

All I can say is, thank fuck TV3 don't have the TV rights to the Champions League final. If they did, that'd be worse than what the Nazis did.

Wild_Dogger · 05-05-2011 12:21AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

I lived my whole life in the US. No one ever made me kill a jew, or kill anyone for that matter.

The only death camp I ever saw was ground zero. And who did that eh?

If you lived in Afghanistan , the only death camp youwould see would also be in Afghanistan ........

So what .......

I dont know what right the U.S have to invade any foregin country ,....... does every country have that right , or is it just the U.S . ?? and if so , ask why .

there are 3 countries left in the middle east which america has yet to topple and install a pro-us government .
1.Iran
2. Syria
3. Libya

You won't hear about Yemen , and the goings on over there .

Mick Wallace - i got respect for him , at least he says what he believes .
Everybody else will do anything to kiss U.S ass in anticipation of Obama's visit and the smell of some economical benifit .

Personally I'd rather live poor with a good set of morals , than subscribe to U.S imperialism , in the hope of getting a few quid .

wild_cat · 05-05-2011 12:21AM

Einhard wrote: »

And Wallace responded that he didn't think that the actions of a superpower Nazi Germany were any differnt to those of America.

Like a totalitarian regime?

Do you have something against Wallace?

metrovelvet · 05-05-2011 12:21AM

Dudess wrote: »

He's one guy and I don't understand how a person would make a connection between it and anti semitism - if anything, it's criticism of the nazis.

Bit extreme Kinda along similar lines to his alleged sentiment.

I find the shooting of Bin Laden questionable - I'm not anti American though, anything but.

The irish are reputedly pro palestine, the IRA trained in Libya, etc etc boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

I dont think its a criticism of the Nazis, more an illustration that he doesnt know what he's talking about. Seriously if the US assinated Hitler the Irish would be bitching, if Osama did it, there would be a sympathetic editorial in the IT, like there was two days after 911.

Plus I think he is articulating what a lot of other people think, which is why I hope American tourism drops. Who needs that attitude when you are on vacation.

Gyalist · 05-05-2011 12:22AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let's put it this way, American 'interference' with their way of life depends on whether they want to interfere with America's way of life or not;)

Good man.

How did the Vietnamese interfere with the American way of life?

Einhard · 05-05-2011 12:23AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Even if he did say it.. why equate one illogical and stupid point made by one person, to that of the wider public's view on what happened over the last few days? It isn't exclusively an anti-American thing if somebody has a negative opinion of certain aspects of that country or its actions.

I didn't equate his point with anything, and never claimed it was anti-American to have qualams about American actions.

Dave! · 05-05-2011 12:24AM

OP sounds like you got the wrong end of the stick... can you post a direct quote?

metrovelvet · 05-05-2011 12:24AM

Sisko wrote: »

Nazi germany didn't just materialize and instantly started making death camps and killing jews.

You need a population that believes they are superior to everyone else 1st, who will blindly follow the actions of a strong leader because they are angry about something. You don't have to start invading poland or making death camps to be compared to nazi germany, that was one of many aspects of it. Its important to look at how a country got to be like that and why its people let it be so.

If you argued with a 1930's german about the invasion of poland, and a 2003 american about the invasion of iraq chances are they'd come out with a lot of the same ****e. Same mindset.

If you got one of hitlers speeches and replaced all the words germans and germany with americans and america and gave it to some wrestler to rally up the crowd you can be damn sure that crowd will love every bit of it. USA USA, **** yea etc.

Look how fast you are to deflect any critical analysis of American attitudes to put blame on the evil muslims instead, was the same in 1930's german, cept with jews.

When you go to the US and you see Muslims rounded up and gassed and have their skin turned into lampshades in American homes, get back to me.

TaraFoxglove · 05-05-2011 12:26AM

ShooterSF wrote: »

The guy gets a lot of respect from me for not wearing a suit in the Dail though.

You're easily impressed.

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I hate it him because he doesn't wear a suit. There's nothing wrong with taking pride in one's appearance, or treating one's position with a little gravitas. He is a legislator, after all... scruffy ****er.

+1

Ooh, he's doesn't wear a suit - what a maverick!

Einhard · 05-05-2011 12:26AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I was watching the show myself, and how you recall the events of the show is stretching the truth Einhard.

Crosáidí wrote: »

What Einhard said that Mick Wallace said on Vincent Browne is a blatant lie, he made no comparison between America and nazi germany, he was verbally attacked by another guest using nazi germany as an example

I don't think so. The military affairs fella said that the way Wallace went on, one would swear America was Nazi Germany. To which, Wallace responded along the lines that, he didn't think that the superpowers of Nazi Germany and America were dissimilar.

If I'm wrong, I'll retract it completely, and day so in my OP, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. I was sitting with two other people, and they heard it that way too. Anyone know when Tv3 throw up their online repeat?

donfers · 05-05-2011 12:28AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

The irish are reputedly pro palestine, the IRA trained in Libya, etc etc boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

I dont think its a criticism of the Nazis, more an illustration that he doesnt know what he's talking about. Seriously if the US assinated Hitler the Irish would be bitching, if Osama did it, there would be a sympathetic editorial in the IT, like there was two days after 911.

Plus I think he is articulating what a lot of other people think, which is why I hope American tourism drops. Who needs that attitude when you are on vacation.

can you stop with "the irish" thing please?

you do realise that the 4 million plus of us have more than one position on world issues right?

Dudess · 05-05-2011 12:29AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

The irish are reputedly pro palestine, the IRA trained in Libya, etc etc boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

How do any of those indicate anti semitism?

If someone wanted a Judaism forum on Boards and asked for it, their request would be honoured if there was sufficient support.

Seriously if the US assinated Hitler the Irish would be bitching, if Osama did it, there would be a sympathetic editorial in the IT, like there was two days after 911.

What editorial?

Plus I think he is articulating what a lot of other people think, which is why I hope American tourism drops. Who needs that attitude when you are on vacation.

You're being as bad with your "the Irish" talk. Do American tourists experience that attitude to a significant degree? I'd have my doubts.
And it's obvious there was nothing good being said about the nazis, so I still don't see how an anti semitism conclusion could be drawn.

Sisko · 05-05-2011 12:29AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

When you go to the US and you see Muslims rounded up and gassed and have their skin turned into lampshades in American homes, get back to me.

Already addressed that , but as always people such as yourself are not even able to comprehend anything outside of hollywood movies.

Why do you have to wait for this to happen before you believe things are not right?

Is the holocaust the only bad thing about nazi germany? no.

You don't have to commit a holocaust to be compared to nazi germany.

Einhard · 05-05-2011 12:30AM

wild_cat wrote: »

Like a totalitarian regime?

Do you have something against Wallace?

I don't share his views, and find it hilarious that he's managed to con people into thinking that he was a special category of "good developer", but I have nothign against him.

wes · 05-05-2011 12:30AM

Einhard wrote: »

And Wallace responded that he didn't think that the actions of a superpower Nazi Germany were any differnt to those of America.

In what sense? Was he equivocating the US on the basis that both Nazi Germany and the US have engaged in war's of aggression for example, or something like that, which I would consider over the top, but the US has engaged in a pretty major war of aggression against Iraq, and its hardly just the left who love to trot out the Nazi's. The right loves play that card as well. Personally, i find anyone right or left who brings up the Nazi's inappropriately to be incredibly annoying, but let not pretend that the Nazi slur isn't thrown at plenty of other groups.

Logical Fallacy · 05-05-2011 12:31AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

The irish are reputedly pro palestine, the IRA trained in Libya, etc etc boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

We are also reputedly all alcoholics, fighters, lazy and poets.

The English police sent officers to Libya to train the police force there.

And has anyone asked for a Judaism forum?

According to the 2006 census ireland has less than 2000 practitioners of Judaism but i have no idea how many people of Jewish descent use boards and might be interested in one.

Crann na Beatha · 05-05-2011 12:32AM

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Uriel. · 05-05-2011 12:34AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let's put it this way, American 'interference' with their way of life depends on whether they want to interfere with America's way of life or not;)

Good man.

???

And what's with the "good man"

Wild_Dogger · 05-05-2011 12:34AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

When you go to the US and you see Muslims rounded up and gassed and have their skin turned into lampshades in American homes, get back to me.

they're using Napalm these days , W Phosphorus etc .

When you go to Gaza and see charred bodies on the street , get back to us .

wes · 05-05-2011 12:34AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.
.

So your saying thats Anti-Semitic, and nothing to do with the tiny population of Jews in Ireland?!? Sure, why not highlight Judaism being taken off the census due to tiny population of Jews here as well. Your grasping at straws.

Uriel. · 05-05-2011 12:37AM

metrovelvet wrote: »

The irish are reputedly pro palestine, the IRA trained in Libya, etc etc boards doesnt even have a Judaism forum.

I dont think its a criticism of the Nazis, more an illustration that he doesnt know what he's talking about. Seriously if the US assinated Hitler the Irish would be bitching, if Osama did it, there would be a sympathetic editorial in the IT, like there was two days after 911.

Plus I think he is articulating what a lot of other people think, which is why I hope American tourism drops. Who needs that attitude when you are on vacation.

Being pro Palestine is automatically anti semetic?

I would say the IRA would have trained anywhere that gave them the resources they needed, don't know how that makes Ireland anti semetic

Dudess · 05-05-2011 12:41AM

Saying those who back Palestine are automatically anti semitic is a bizarre leap of logic. Maybe there are people who back Palestine and are anti semitic, as I've no doubt there are those who back Palestine and are anti catholic.

America=Nazi Germany- Mick Wallace

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