How to become un-D4

the groutch · 03-05-2011 10:11AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Use Dublin Bus.

screw the bus and use the Luas for free

craggles · 03-05-2011 10:52AM

Doesn't matter what accent you have so long as you're genuine, honest and not a ****. Even the biggest scummer will see that and if he doesn't... well he was going to stab you anyway

BluesBerry · 03-05-2011 10:58AM

Invest in a nice pair of satin pjs and wear them to you local shop , wear loads of gold chains and big gold sovereign rings to show you true lower class status and hate the gardai

recyclebin · 03-05-2011 11:07AM

replace your fancy horse box with a cattle trailer

Rocket19 · 03-05-2011 12:01PM

Hmm, I wouldn't say the D4 accent is to "hide common roots". The majority of people with this accent (I find) are middle class, probably attended private school/UCD/TCD. If anything, I'd say its an attempt to exert 'social superiority' over another (however misguided that is). Its exactly the same reason why people buy big brand clothing and fancy cars.
Also, they're socialised into it. You natually pick up the accent of those who live/work/go to school with.

For a lot of people (excluding the people who speak with the ridiculous form of the accent) this IS their accent. Accents are constantly changing and growing and re-forming. Saying it is a relatively 'new' accent doesn't make much sense.

My family (going back the last few generations at least) are 'old school South Dublin'. All of my relatives, even the elderly ones, speak with posh Dublin accents. Certainly NOT a d4 accent, but its easy to see how a D4 accent could be adapted from that kind of accent. Add that to the fact that we are becoming more and more Americanised each minute!

I'm from D18 and don't have 'the' accent. I'd probably have what would be considered a posh accent, and one which people sometimes call a "D4 accent" (its not). Some people (e.g. Rachel Allen (chef)) are just totally taking piss and basically personify the stupid D4 stereotype.
Reality is, VERY few people talk like this! It does annpy me when people say everone with the accent is "putting it on".

partyndbs · 03-05-2011 12:17PM

i speak lyk a d4 but wear trackie bottoms, have blade 1 back and side hair cut prefer football over rugby......some ppl just speak like this!!!

spider_pig · 03-05-2011 12:25PM

partyndbs wrote: »

i speak lyk a d4 but wear trackie bottoms, have blade 1 back and side hair cut prefer football over rugby......some ppl just speak like this!!!

GTFO!! :rolleyes:

ISDW · 03-05-2011 12:32PM

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Except of course for those people who ask for "20 Myaaarlboro liets" and those people who ask for "20 Morlboro loights". They can both go fcuk themselves.

We all know the correct pronunciation....

"20 Rothmans please":pac:

Chocolate.

You blew it there.

20 Rotmans.

Put man in the middle and at the end of every sentence.

admiralofthefleet · 03-05-2011 12:33PM

move to dolphins barn

dotsman · 03-05-2011 12:46PM

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Okay gang,

We've all been exposed to those ridiculous people, with their ridiculous makey-uppy accents, because they are ashamed of their "common" roots.

They call the Dart, the "Dort"; they call a pint of Heineken, "a point of Hoino".

No we haven't. And I spent many years living in D4 (and still work there). In fact, the only times I have ever heard those types of accents being put on is when someone is pretending to be a "D4-head" and mocking said "D4-head".

Buceph · 03-05-2011 12:49PM

Rocket19 wrote: »

Hmm, I wouldn't say the D4 accent is to "hide common roots". The majority of people with this accent (I find) are middle class, probably attended private school/UCD/TCD. If anything, I'd say its an attempt to exert 'social superiority' over another (however misguided that is).

You say you have a similar accent, but it's your real accent and you're from an old Dublin family. But these new D4 crowd are putting on an accent (that's similar to yours) to exert social superiority. So they're pretenders and you're the real deal?

Have you heard of the idea of projection?

jonnny68 · 03-05-2011 12:50PM

Tell all these people who jumped on the "Leeeeiiiinnnssttteeerrrrrrr" bandwagon exactly what you think of them,they'd be lucky to get crowds of 500 less than 10 years ago and are now selling out Lansdowne Road (i refuse to call it after some horrible insurance company)

:rolleyes::p

AnonoBoy · 03-05-2011 12:54PM

Don't be a d*ckhead?

jonnny68 · 03-05-2011 12:58PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Don't be a d*ckhead?

is that aimed at me?

Buceph · 03-05-2011 01:18PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

Tell all these people who jumped on the "Leeeeiiiinnnssttteeerrrrrrr" bandwagon exactly what you think of them,they'd be lucky to get crowds of 500 less than 10 years ago and are now selling out Lansdowne Road (i refuse to call it after some horrible insurance company)

:rolleyes::p

I hate this crap. The idea that you must collect enough stamps and send off for your real fan membership card.

I have a friend who comes from a traditional GAA background, his father refs GAA matches and his family going back generations were into GAA, not rugby. I met him in college about seven years ago, as we became closer friends I found out all his brothers either played or still played rugby. They were sporty kids and tried every sport under the sun, and they stuck with rugby. He was in wheelchair since he was 13 and was weak for years before that, so he had no interest in rugby or sports beyond the family interest in hurling, he was and still is a complete nerd. He and his parents would go to his sibling's matches but he'd sit in the car reading sci-fi or fantasy books.

I went to a rugby school since I was five, I watched all the rugby I could find on TV and would go to all the school's senior and junior cup games, and played (like crap) for a few years as well. I'd often extoll the virtues of rugby to him, and got him to watch a few matches. When I found out his siblings played locally I got him to go to watch a few of his brother's matches. As he watched more and more rugby, and I explained what was going on, i.e. the strategy, tactics and rules that aren't immediately apparent unlike the athleticism, his interest in rugby grew. Five years later and he's the biggest rugby fan I know. We go to as many of the Cork Munster matches as the weather permits (so the pre-season friendlies in Muzzer and up to October and all the matches come Spring) and we're trying to get tickets for the Magner's semi-final in Thomond. He may not have the memories of watching the 95 world cup final on TV in a crappy little pub in Kerry, but he'd talk the ear of you about Irish rugby both provincial and national, and his understanding of the tactics of the game would be better than 90% of the other rugby fans I know.

So are you seriously telling me that just because his interest in rugby happened and was sparked as Munster won their first Heineken cup that he's any less of a fan than the guy was there for 78 or the fan who went to a rugby school since he was four?

jonnny68 · 03-05-2011 01:29PM

Buceph wrote: »

I hate this crap. The idea that you must collect enough stamps and send off for your real fan membership card.

I have a friend who comes from a traditional GAA background, his father refs GAA matches and his family going back generations were into GAA, not rugby. I met him in college about seven years ago, as we became closer friends I found out all his brothers either played or still played rugby. They were sporty kids and tried every sport under the sun, and they stuck with rugby. He was in wheelchair since he was 13 and was weak for years before that, so he had no interest in rugby or sports beyond the family interest in hurling, he was and still is a complete nerd. He and his parents would go to his sibling's matches but he'd sit in the car reading sci-fi or fantasy books.

I went to a rugby school since I was five, I watched all the rugby I could find on TV and would go to all the school's senior and junior cup games, and played (like crap) for a few years as well. I'd often extoll the virtues of rugby to him, and got him to watch a few matches. When I found out his siblings played locally I got him to go to watch a few of his brother's matches. As he watched more and more rugby, and I explained what was going on, i.e. the strategy, tactics and rules that aren't immediately apparent unlike the athleticism, his interest in rugby grew. Five years later and he's the biggest rugby fan I know. We go to as many of the Cork Munster matches as the weather permits (so the pre-season friendlies in Muzzer and up to October and all the matches come Spring) and we're trying to get tickets for the Magner's semi-final in Thomond. He may not have the memories of watching the 95 world cup final on TV in a crappy little pub in Kerry, but he'd talk the ear of you about Irish rugby both provincial and national, and his understanding of the tactics of the game would be better than 90% of the other rugby fans I know.

So are you seriously telling me that just because his interest in rugby happened and was sparked as Munster won their first Heineken cup that he's any less of a fan than the guy was there for 78 or the fan who went to a rugby school since he was four?

I suppose it depends on what age you are,granted if your mate is only young then there's no problem,however you see older people who are suddenly massive Leinster fans,where were they years ago before they suddenly "became huge" it's akin to people jumping on the bandwagon when Chelsea won the Premiership for the first time a few years ago, Chelsea had little or no fans in Ireland but now you see loads of Chelsea jerseys doing the rounds and im not just talking young people either.

thomasj · 03-05-2011 01:34PM

You could avoid watching american shows!

Im not joking either, in recent times especially, i have spoken to people (in particular from the southside or northside coastal areas) that have built up an american accent even though they've never been there!

noodler · 03-05-2011 01:48PM

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Knight to C3.:pac:

You eh, sunk my Battleship.

Buceph · 03-05-2011 02:10PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

I suppose it depends on what age you are,granted if your mate is only young then there's no problem,however you see older people who are suddenly massive Leinster fans,where were they years ago before they suddenly "became huge" it's akin to people jumping on the bandwagon when Chelsea won the Premiership for the first time a few years ago, Chelsea had little or no fans in Ireland but now you see loads of Chelsea jerseys doing the rounds and im not just talking young people either.

What difference does your age have to do with it? My friend isn't a teenager, he's 26, and he had ample opportunity in his younger years to become a fan, he just didn't have the desire to until I helped him along.

I couldn't give a rat's ass how someone comes to the sport. Whether they "bandwaggoned" because a team saw success, or they liked the social aspect of going to a match every week or two, or used a match in Wales or Scotland as an excuse for holiday, it shouldn't make a difference. Rugby is trending. I have no doubt that some of the fans aren't genuine rugby supporters and will fall away as a team struggles, but I'm also certain that there will be plenty who have developed an appreciation of the game, and who cares if the catalyst of this newfound appreciation was something "real" or not? And I'm even more certain that genuine fans should be accepting and welcoming to newcomers to the sport, because as I real rugby fan I want to see as many people as possible find the same joy from the game as I do.

AnonoBoy · 03-05-2011 02:14PM

jonnny68 wrote: »

is that aimed at me?

No I was answering the OP's question.

But it's a rule that I supposed everyone should apply to their life.

Kevin Duffy · 03-05-2011 02:15PM

You could just start pronouncing the days of the week as God intended - Sundee, Mundee, Chewsdee, When's dee, Thuuuuursdee, Fridee, Satterdee.
Then put peterdel in yer jammer, buy a package o' crips and reeid the Evening Herdild when you run outta bewks to reeid, while hoping that Eyerland ger into de next wurdled cup :pac:

Sean Bateman · 03-05-2011 02:21PM

Some people are using rugby as means to "socially climb". They think that being seen at rugby matches will somehow make them classier.

As for the accent debate, although the exaggerated D4 accent can be a little ridiculous, it's preferable to a scumbag Dublin, Cork or Limerick accent.

Rocket19 · 03-05-2011 02:36PM

Buceph wrote: »

You say you have a similar accent, but it's your real accent and you're from an old Dublin family. But these new D4 crowd are putting on an accent (that's similar to yours) to exert social superiority. So they're pretenders and you're the real deal?

Have you heard of the idea of projection?

When I said I have a similar accent, I meant I have a South Dublin accent. The D4 accent obviously stems from this.
I don't speak with the "dort" accent (and I'm pretty sure my Dad would slap me up the side of the head if I did). I think, largely, it doesn't even exist. Maybe I'm just too accustomed to it or something, but in my experience, people don't use it.
I do feel though, that many people hear a 'posh' accent and label it as "ridiculous" and "d4". Its like someone hearing a person with a slightly 'northside accent' and automatically labelling them a scumbag.

Also, call me stupid but, what are you suggesting in your post? That I'm labelling the D4 brigade as "posers", while I myself am the 'real deal'? Give me a break. I was referring to people who speak with an 'overly posh' accent, whilst looking down their nose at people who speak in an 'inferior' accent. I also pointed out that these kinds of people are rare.

Buceph · 03-05-2011 03:30PM

Rocket19 wrote: »

When I said I have a similar accent, I meant I have a South Dublin accent. The D4 accent obviously stems from this.
I don't speak with the "dort" accent (and I'm pretty sure my Dad would slap me up the side of the head if I did). I think, largely, it doesn't even exist. Maybe I'm just too accustomed to it or something, but in my experience, people don't use it.
I do feel though, that many people hear a 'posh' accent and label it as "ridiculous" and "d4". Its like someone hearing a person with a slightly 'northside accent' and automatically labelling them a scumbag.

Also, call me stupid but, what are you suggesting in your post? That I'm labelling the D4 brigade as "posers", while I myself am the 'real deal'? Give me a break. I was referring to people who speak with an 'overly posh' accent, whilst looking down their nose at people who speak in an 'inferior' accent. I also pointed out that these kinds of people are rare.

Fair enough. It just seemed you were claiming yourself as the genuine article and the D4 heads as posers.

I've stayed in Ballsbridge a few times (that's D4 right?) And spent a couple of nights eating and drinking in pubs and restaurants there. Don't think I ever encountered a Ross O'Carroll Kelly type though. Surely the Risteard Cooper bit about them has about as much reality as Munster fans being turnip munchers.

sh1tstirrer · 22-05-2011 11:19PM

Rocket19 wrote: »

For a lot of people (excluding the people who speak with the ridiculous form of the accent) this IS their accent. Accents are constantly changing and growing and re-forming. Saying it is a relatively 'new' accent doesn't make much sense.

It makes perfect sense as it is a cultivated accent. People who talk with a silly D4 accent didn't always talk that way. If the accent developed over generations you wouldn't call it a new accent
which is why the D4 accent is a relatively new fake teen-mid life accent.

W.Shakes-Beer · 22-05-2011 11:23PM

This thread is loike so focking last week.

efb · 22-05-2011 11:27PM

Surely it should be How to de-4???

pockets3d · 22-05-2011 11:47PM

Ahh to live in the whest and not even know how to imitate a D4 accent never mind hear it everyday
Dreading the rich kids coming back from TCD and UCD loike
Gonna steal their shoes.

Paparazzo · 23-05-2011 12:10AM

On the other side of things, there's plenty of wannabe skangers greatly exaggerating their accent to sound more skanger-like.

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