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News and views on Greystones harbour and marina [SEE MODERATOR WARNING POST 1187]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Bland I didn't realise you were in public office, if indeed you are then what do you think we should do? How about a 50 foot banner across the front of the Beach House and a petition book opened for passers by? would that convince you then that the town is boiling? I only joined this blog recently after my 7 year old son walked down the new slip and could not believe what he saw behind the hoardings, I promised him and his two older brothers that I would do all that I can to get their harbour back, and I will do it without passion and with total objectivity, that is what I intend doing, and there are thousands like me in this town. Maybe you could help us. Old battles have been fought and lost. We now have change, and change must be managed. Public elected representatives have an obligation and responsibility to do just that, just sometimes they lose their way. If you can help I welcome you with open arms, but please don't spread doom and gloom. Kind regards, F3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Blandpebbles


    Bit confusing that... goal is to make politicians accountable or to bring down the hoardings?

    Neither will be accomplished by anyone on FB or here. It will be a politician standing shaking hands with a developer followed by the subsequent media...

    FYI - .25% surely includes all those who moan about the Beachhouse and the Burnaby so perhaps a cider on the harbour wall... oh wait I think I have created a paradox.

    Anyway this thread is about info on the harbour

    So any news on the harbour?

    F3 I do understand your optimism and approach, its quite courageous and I am by no means telling you to stop.. rather to be realistic.

    FB is not the road, rather perhaps a class action suit against the council and the developer would be more appropriate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Yes, it appears that the contractor is 'failing to proceed with reasonable diligence' and it would appear that WCC have allowed them to do so. There is a distraction over phase 3 works regarding a material change requested by the developer?? Which requires an EIA followed by an EIS And for some reason phase 2 works have stopped. Seems like scrambled egg to me, but in the meantime we would like an interim measure taken to remove the hoardings while WCC and Sispar unscramble their eggs so we can enjoy the amenity in the interim. Easy as that! F3, have you any reason as to why this wouldn't work, if you do I'd genuinely like to hear it, I've lots of ideas that tick the political, contractual, commercial, technical boxes so please let me know, kind regards F3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Cheeky Chops


    http://ciaranhayden.com/media/?p=873

    I would comment but I am not born and bred in Greystones and therefore Ciaran Hayden would find my opinion irrelevant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Cheeky, your views are very welcome......


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    http://ciaranhayden.com/media/?p=873

    I would comment but I am not born and bred in Greystones and therefore Ciaran Hayden would find my opinion irrelevant.

    You'd think he would, as a politician, only be interested in the fact you have a vote... most people living in Greystones now are 'born & bred' elsewhere... feckin' furriners...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite



    "If it is the wish of the entire community I will call for a meeting"

    LOL he, or any one person, has a veto over holding this proposed meeting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Ive just seen this posted on the FB page and like the simplicity of it:

    With Regard to the Mayors letter, It occurs to me, and I'm sure to others, that the reported €80million expended on the marine works (harbour) to reclaim the land to build 400 units requires revenue of €200,000 per unit to just break even on the works done to date. Is it not likely that the reason Sispar have stopped working and thus stopped spending money, is to wait for the property Market to recover? (Albeit I think that's to coincide with the day that hell will freeze over). Why do you not just for once admit that this is 'likely' rather than pretend it is some other evil that has stopped the work? I would appreciate the Mayors views of his own understanding of the contract regarding the duties and obligations of both WCC and Sispar, and in particular any clauses that deal with a failure by the Contractor to proceed with reasonable diligence bearing in mind that there are plenty of original works [not affected by EIS's etc] to be getting on with to meet the 2014 completion date. I would point out that the response "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable response to any question posed, we can deal with what public elected representatives "ought to know" at a later stage before drafting press releases etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    F3 wrote: »
    Ive just seen this posted on the FB page and like the simplicity of it:

    With Regard to the Mayors letter, It occurs to me, and I'm sure to others, that the reported €80million expended on the marine works (harbour) to reclaim the land to build 400 units requires revenue of €200,000 per unit to just break even on the works done to date. Is it not likely that the reason Sispar have stopped working and thus stopped spending money, is to wait for the property Market to recover? (Albeit I think that's to coincide with the day that hell will freeze over). Why do you not just for once admit that this is 'likely' rather than pretend it is some other evil that has stopped the work? I would appreciate the Mayors views of his own understanding of the contract regarding the duties and obligations of both WCC and Sispar, and in particular any clauses that deal with a failure by the Contractor to proceed with reasonable diligence bearing in mind that there are plenty of original works [not affected by EIS's etc] to be getting on with to meet the 2014 completion date. I would point out that the response "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable response to any question posed, we can deal with what public elected representatives "ought to know" at a later stage before drafting press releases etc.


    If you replace the word 'likely' with 'possible' then Hayden would have no were to go, as we all know nothing is impossible! [A typical Barrister cross-examination trick] [I'm told]


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    recedite wrote: »
    "If it is the wish of the entire community I will call for a meeting"

    LOL he, or any one person, has a veto over holding this proposed meeting.

    Indeed. I imagine the meeting can occur without his presence. But the key point about his letter is the old pol's trick of trying to sideline the issue into sub-committees where the dice are loaded in his favour. Both the committees he refers to are dominated by pro-development, keep-the-hoardings elements. Presumably he's reading the tea leaves and knows that already the rest of the town council is far from supporting him on this one...

    But shunting it aside is not going to happen this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Some off topic posts have been moved to the politics forum

    www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056257090#

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Johnny, this is highly political and you should not break the thread so easily, the resolution to the harbour will will unavoidably be with political intervention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    F3 wrote: »
    Johnny, this is highly political and you should not break the thread so easily, the resolution to the harbour will will unavoidably be with political intervention.

    Its perfectly within the forum charter remit
    Back Seat Modding: Moderators and moderators only may give on thread warnings and decide how a thread is flowing.

    Off-topic posting: Please try to focus on the subject of the thread when posting. Of course there's nothing wrong with light-hearted banter but do try to keep the flow of the thread related to the topic being discussed.

    Any questions or comments, please feel free to send Johnnymcg or myself a private message, don't put comments on moderation into threads, it only serves to further de-rail discussions. Please don't post messages on our profile pages.

    I'm aware this is political but those posts were completely offtopic - having a discussion about whether local politicians can be recalled is not on topic - If anyone has any more problems send me or damo9090 a pm rather than further derailing the thread to discuss moderation (as per the forum charter)

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fiachra2


    Whats great is that yesterday this thread passed the 50K mark in numbers of views making it (if I'm not mistaken) the 3rd most poular topic. I think over 700 people viewed it in the last 24 hours which shows the level of interest in the community.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    Fiachra2 wrote: »
    Whats great is that yesterday this thread passed the 50K mark in numbers of views making it (if I'm not mistaken) the 3rd most poular topic. I think over 700 people viewed it in the last 24 hours which shows the level of interest in the community.

    Quite so Fiachra. Not only is it the most popular thread — both by number of posts and number of views — in the Greystones/Charlesland sub-group, it is the most popular in the Wicklow region. The two next deal with, ironically enough, house prices and the (recent) general election.

    Six hundred and sixty-six posts, counting this one, and a high level of interest peaking now as the question of taking down the hoardings goes live in the community — that's a sign the politicians must take account of. Add to that the fact that 375 people in two weeks have joined the Facebook group organising the upcoming protests demanding that they come down, and there is clearly a groundswell beginning to build.

    Now that the schools are back for their very short summer term, parents will be thinking about this too — and the unbelievable lack of amenities for young people in the area. Landscaping and paving the proposed public space at the harbour would cost very little — less than 0.25% of what has been spent to date, Blandpebbles — and would create a focus for hanging out and enjoying the holidays much better than the far, cider-can reaches of the south beach.

    And that can be done as an interim measure, not a permanent one. Nobody will object to a return of fences to the area around the proposed club-houses, for example — we all want those too, as we want to see good facilities for angling, boat fishing, sailing, kayaking and all the rest, and a well-used harbour giving pleasure to its users.

    It's time the powers that be woke up and realised that the present impasse is in fact an opportunity, and they should seize it with both hands and do something for the community while Sisk, Park, WCC, NAMA, AIB and ABP sort out what happens next — which will take a long time.

    http://on.fb.me/greystones


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Perhaps you guys are being a bit naive about the posts count and the number of views - no offence, but its the same two to three people posting in the last number of months. Just because it 'appears' to be popular on boards.ie Wicklow region, it doesn't mean anything. Don't forget, this thread is active since Oct 2009. If this topic was so popular, wouldn't there have been more people than just 6 people at the Council Offices providing true support? As Vinpaul said - its neglible!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Folks can we please keep on topic ie discussing the harbour development not thread numbers or Facebook or council protest numbers etc. It's fine to discuss those things in context but please try not to veer off the main topic too much. Also as per the forum charter send me a pm if you have any issues/comments/problems/feedback

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


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  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    astrofluff wrote: »
    Perhaps you guys are being a bit naive about the posts count and the number of views - no offence, but its the same two to three people posting in the last number of months. Just because it 'appears' to be popular on boards.ie Wicklow region, it doesn't mean anything. Don't forget, this thread is active since Oct 2009. If this topic was so popular, wouldn't there have been more people than just 6 people at the Council Offices providing true support? As Vinpaul said - its neglible!

    We will see how negligible this matter really is......everyone has views on this issue


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    Whats left to talk about? This thread has gone full circle more times than Micheal Schumacher to win his many world titles!


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Damo9090 wrote: »
    Whats left to talk about? This thread has gone full circle more times than Micheal Schumacher to win his many world titles!

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_148849258516045&ap=1


    Whats left to talk about????? Thats what [i.e. click on the above link] Mr. Moderator! 'News & Views on Greystones Harbour & Marina" has given birth to a facebook group that is thriving.................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    F3 wrote: »
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_148849258516045&ap=1


    Whats left to talk about????? Thats what [i.e. click on the above link] Mr. Moderator! 'News & Views on Greystones Harbour & Marina" has given birth to a facebook group that is thriving.................


    Fair enough but still don't know what will be achieved by doing the same argument over and over here or anywhere else.

    PS cut the attitude.

    Last mod warning still stands on off topic posting.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Blanchflower


    Damo9090 wrote: »
    Fair enough but still don't know what will be achieved by doing the same argument over and over here or anywhere else.

    PS cut the attitude.

    Last mod warning still stands on off topic posting.

    There is still plenty to talk about regarding the stalled harbour development. It is more important that ever before that the people of Greystones stand united to ensure that the developers resolve the disgraceful mess at the harbour. Arising from the property crash the developers, the Council and certain politicians are now using every trick in the book to stall the development. We need to continue to drive the message home to our public represenatatives that we are outraged with the current state of affairs and that this matter needs resolution NOW.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Blandpebbles


    Agree with Damo, plus it's incorrect to state there are no amenities in Greystones or indeed at the harbour as another poster was saying.

    Rowing club starts back tonight :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭mikedragon32


    the unbelievable lack of amenities for young people in the area.

    I must take this point up as it serves to undermine any credibility. Greystones probably has the best amenities of any town of its size in Ireland imho.

    The harbour is only one of the many and as we know the slip is available for use. What we're looking for is the hoarding to be removed and the area returned to the public.

    I know it's an emotive topic, and I for one am in favour of the efforts to return the harbour to the people, but this kind of statement serves no useful purpose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fiachra2


    A petition book is being made avalable in a number of commercial premises around the town. The objective is to request action on removing the hoarding. Not to restate objection to what has been done and cannot now be undone. We do however hope to afford the community the opportunity to state their wish that the harbour be returned to the community immediately.
    Details of locations etc to follow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    Fiachra2 wrote: »
    A petition book is being made avalable in a number of commercial premises around the town. The objective is to request action on removing the hoarding. Not to restate objection to what has been done and cannot now be undone. We do however hope to afford the community the opportunity to state their wish that the harbour be returned to the community immediately.
    Details of locations etc to follow.

    I can confirm the location of the first 3 books:

    1. The Burnaby
    2. The Beach House
    3. Joe Sweeneys take away

    I will keep you advise one the location of the three other petition books once I have confirmation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I must take this point up as it serves to undermine any credibility. Greystones probably has the best amenities of any town of its size in Ireland imho.

    If people want to discuss the amenities of perceived lack of them then maybe have a read of this first and then start a NEW discussion

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Blanchflower


    One of the planning conditions stipulated by An Bord Pleanala in relation to the harbour development at Greystones was that the Sea Kale on the site be relocated to a position to be agreed with the local authority.
    This was in the interest of maintaining the species as local to the area.

    Does anyone know the whereabouts of the aforementioned Sea Kale?

    sea-kale-0096.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭Jimjay


    One of the planning conditions stipulated by An Bord Pleanala in relation to the harbour development at Greystones was that the Sea Kale on the site be relocated to a position to be agreed with the local authority.
    This was in the interest of maintaining the species as local to the area.

    Does anyone know the whereabouts of the aforementioned Sea Kale?

    sea-kale-0096.jpg

    I remember talk of this in the papers during the time it was moved. If my memory serves correct it was moved to kilcoole. It was a long time ago though so am not 100% but am quite sure it was moved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I found it in Kilcoole. It was delicious; steamed it with a little butter and pepper.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    F3 wrote: »
    I can confirm the location of the first 3 books:

    1. The Burnaby
    2. The Beach House
    3. Joe Sweeneys take away

    I will keep you advise one the location of the three other petition books once I have confirmation.

    There is also a petition book in the Happy Pear


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Blanchflower


    2011 wrote: »
    There is also a petition book in the Happy Pear

    And there is one also now in Supervalue on the Church Road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Cheeky Chops


    How long will the petition books be open for?

    (and well done)


  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭F3


    How long will the petition books be open for?

    (and well done)

    Until we succeed cheeky, which won't be too long now


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    One of the planning conditions stipulated by An Bord Pleanala in relation to the harbour development at Greystones was that the Sea Kale on the site be relocated to a position to be agreed with the local authority.
    This was in the interest of maintaining the species as local to the area.

    Does anyone know the whereabouts of the aforementioned Sea Kale?

    Yes, it was moved to Kilcoole Beach, and supposedly some was to be re-planted in Greystones when the harbour development is complete. But when will that be? And is it still growing on Kilcoole beach?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Blanchflower


    campbellu wrote: »
    I haven't read all of the comments in this thread but some of you may like this.
    Not sure if link will work but worth a try.



    I wonder did these hardy swimmers get the remote sinister loud speaking treatment that there were trespassing on a public beach?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    I wonder did these hardy swimmers get the remote sinister loud speaking treatment that there were trespassing?


    Is there anyone left down there (security wise) as i pass twice a day on the Dart and it looks like there is very little left behind the hoardings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


    Damo9090 wrote: »
    Is there anyone left down there (security wise) as i pass twice a day on the Dart and it looks like there is very little left behind the hoardings.

    Netwatch are doing the security remotely hence the loudhailers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    pixbyjohn wrote: »
    Netwatch are doing the security remotely hence the loudhailers :D


    lol i didn't know that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    Damo9090 wrote: »
    lol i didn't know that.


    It's no joke — people are being woken up at 3.00am and all hours of the night by stentorian voices yelling at the odd trespasser..


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    They also have security on-site. My mate came in with his rather large boat a couple of weeks back and was met by a security guard on the quay wall. He was politely (genuinely) asked to leave the harbour.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 274 ✭✭The Durutti Column


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    They also have security on-site. My mate came in with his rather large boat a couple of weeks back and was met by a security guard on the quay wall. He was politely (genuinely) asked to leave the harbour.


    No security around on this occasion: http://youtu.be/q3p7UzpaKKM
    or this one:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 43 campbellu


    I wonder did these hardy swimmers get the remote sinister loud speaking treatment that there were trespassing on a public beach?
    We swam a few days in a row, first day there were 2 very brave/foolish young men in wetsuits jumping into the mouth of harbour off the wall into the "high" waves. In fairness to them they swam easily to the ladders and did it several times. They got the "loudspeaker" treatment. We think that as we went in near the boat slip and boats and people are "allowed" in this area any "voices" were not aimed at us.
    Same day (first) a yacht came in and tied up in the inner harbour and they walked out onto the walls.
    I believe some fisher folk on the "northern" wall were asked to leave the previous holiday weekend. The "voices" call the local Garda ?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭pixbyjohn


    It's no joke — people are being woken up at 3.00am and all hours of the night by stentorian voices yelling at the odd trespasser..

    Come in number 6, your time is up :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    No security around on this occasion: http://youtu.be/q3p7UzpaKKM
    or this one:

    Yeah, but the boat in the video didn't actually tie up to the quay wall and enjoy sitting in the cockpit with a brew. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fiachra2


    Someone from howth came in to us in the Sailing Club to watch a heineken cup match and were able to tie up without hassle. It may have been arranged by GSC in advance though.
    There is a roumour in the club that they are going to put a boom across the mouth of the marina basin.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Fiachra2 wrote: »
    There is a roumour in the club that they are going to put a boom across the mouth of the marina basin.

    Why?


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