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would you become a vegetarian?

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  • #32
    PeakOutput
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    I think you can be healthy without meat (very healthy in fact but not any healthier) but I would never become a vegetarian as there are no legitimate arguments for it as long as you are ethical in your sourcing of meat, which I am.


  • #33
    Lu Tze
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    purity wrote: »
    it's something I've wanted to do as I love animals I am a vegetarian now after years of consideration

    Do you wear leather? I love meeting vegetarians who proclaim themselves as such while wearing leather shoes - peeling animals is ok, but eating the insides is a big no no!


  • #34
    LK_Dave
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    purity wrote: »
    I made a boo boo there what I meant was I'm off red meat years and only gave up chicken this year seeing as I'm only off it two months I called myself semi but now I realise I must be a vegetarian because I don't eat any meat now.

    what is your cholesterol level? Not poking fun - I've heard that many vegetarians and vegans suffer from high cholesterol.


  • #35
    LK_Dave
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Do you wear leather? I love meeting vegetarians who proclaim themselves as such while wearing leather shoes - peeling animals is ok, but eating the insides is a big no no!

    And what of the question of consuming the the nucleus of their (animals) unborn, eg an egg?


  • #36
    PeakOutput
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    what is your cholesterol level? Not poking fun - I've heard that many vegetarians and vegans suffer from high cholesterol.

    Cholesterol is hereditary not diet related


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  • #37
    Hank_Jones
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    Lettuce and blowjob day doesn't really have the same ring to it as Steak and blowjob day.

    So, no. I wouldn't consider becoming a vegetarian.


  • #38
    LK_Dave
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    PeakOutput wrote: »
    Cholesterol is hereditary not diet related

    I'm not a doctor but I'm pretty sure that hereditary is not the only factor in high cholesterol levels.


  • #39
    stupidusername
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    purity wrote: »
    Well as a newbie vegetarian I avoid meat at all costs however chicken was hard to give up but I'm now full vegetarian because I like animals.
    So whats your opinion on this?

    I love animals too. Tastey delicious animals. Seriously we're meant to eat meat.its natural.no more to it.


  • #40
    purity
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Do you wear leather? I love meeting vegetarians who proclaim themselves as such while wearing leather shoes - peeling animals is ok, but eating the insides is a big no no!

    No I actually hate leather the smell and look of it makes me sick. I will admit I eat jellies but have cut them down massively as they're made of gelatin. Look I'm not an in your face vegetarian I have only practised it for the first time this year cutting out all meat and seeked advice from people. Some vegetarians are silly but I'm not an extreme I just hope the animals are treated with dignity and killed humanely as many videos online will show you that unfortunately the people performing the slaughter have no compassion for the animals and they die in immense pain.
    I like animals simple as:)


  • #41
    Lu Tze
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    And what of the question of consuming the the nucleus of their (animals) unborn, eg an egg?

    An egg is general not an unborn chicken - it is unfertilised


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  • #42
    purity
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    what is your cholesterol level? Not poking fun - I've heard that many vegetarians and vegans suffer from high cholesterol.

    Good question must get it checked;) Haven't a clue all I know is my iron and proteins levels are normal


  • #43
    LK_Dave
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    An egg is general not an unborn chicken - it is unfertilised

    Ok, point taken and well put but it is still the nucleus of the unfertilized animal.


  • #44
    Lu Tze
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    purity wrote: »
    No I actually hate leather the smell and look of it makes me sick. I will admit I eat jellies but have cut them down massively as they're made of gelatin. Look I'm not an in your face vegetarian I have only practised it for the first time this year cutting out all meat and seeked advice from people. Some vegetarians are silly but I'm not an extreme I just hope the animals are treated with dignity and killed humanely as many videos online will show you that unfortunately the people performing the slaughter have no compassion for the animals and they die in immense pain.
    I like animals simple as:)

    Just out of interest have you managed to avoid buying leather shoes then!?


  • #45
    Minstrel27
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    I would die without a regular supply of beef and chicken.


  • #46
    PeakOutput
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    I'm not a doctor but I'm pretty sure that hereditary is not the only factor in high cholesterol levels.
    Because of the propaganda, you can be forgiven for thinking that cholesterol is a harmful alien substance that should be avoided at all costs. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Cholesterol is an essential component in the body. It is found in all the cells of the body, particularly in the brain and nerve cells. Body cells are continually dying and new ones being made. Cholesterol is a major building block from which cell walls are made. Cholesterol is also used to make a number of other important substances: hormones (including the sex hormones), bile acids and, in conjunction with sunlight on the skin, vitamin D 3 . The body uses large quantities of cholesterol every day and the substance is so important that, with the exception of brain cells, every body cell has the ability to make it.

    Cholesterol may be ingested in animal products, but less than twenty percent of your body's cholesterol needs will be supplied in this way. Your body then makes up the difference. If you eat less cholesterol, your body merely compensates by making more. Although the media and food companies still warn against cholesterol in diet, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that the level of cholesterol in your blood is affected very little by the amount of cholesterol you eat.

    Cant find the actual paper right now but with a quick google I was able to find this brief summary although admittedly I have no idea what this website is really about http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_1.html


  • #47
    purity
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Just out of interest have you managed to avoid buying leather shoes then!?

    Yep!


  • #48
    orourkeda
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    Eating dead animals is the highlight of my day


  • #49
    LK_Dave
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    purity wrote: »
    Good question must get it checked;) Haven't a clue all I know is my iron and proteins levels are normal

    When you do get it checked could you let us know how it reads - normal, above, below? Would be interested to hear real facts rather than those banded about by both sides of the debate.


  • #50
    purity
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    When you do get it checked could you let us know how it reads - normal, above, below? Would be interested to hear real facts rather than those banded about by both sides of the debate.

    I guess so but never heard of cholesterol problems linked to vegetarianism? But I'd be happy to let ya know:)


  • #51
    13spanner
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    purity wrote: »
    I'm now full vegetarian because I like animals.
    Sure we all like animals :rolleyes: not enough of a reason to become a veggie though! I'd never stop eating meat, firstly because it's the tastiest stuff going, and I'd imagine it'd lead to some awkward moments visiting family/friends when they go to the bother of doing a lovely roast etc. and you wouldn't touch it. Just my opinion anyway.
    13spanner


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  • #52
    purity
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    13spanner wrote: »
    purity wrote: »
    I'm now full vegetarian because I like animals.
    Sure we all like animals :rolleyes: not enough of a reason to become a veggie though! I'd never stop eating meat, firstly because it's the tastiest stuff going, and I'd imagine it'd lead to some awkward moments visiting family/friends when they go to the bother of doing a lovely roast etc. and you wouldn't touch it. Just my opinion anyway.
    13spanner

    It's difficult at times as vegetarians are a minority and most eat meat. It was tasty especially country style sausages and white pudding but I don't miss them, my diet is boring and basic and sometimes I wonder am I receiving enough nutrients.


  • #53
    Priori
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    Irishchick wrote: »
    No. I find the majority of vegetarians are stupid. They dont eat meat because they "love animals" but are happy to wear leather and eat products containing gelatin.

    I'm not a vegetarian myself, but that's quite the statement!
    Irishchick wrote:
    If an animal has its needs met during its life and is slaughtered humanley then im happy to eat it.

    Agree with you on that one. It's when things like the following happen that put me off my meat..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lano_8u9e1E


  • #54
    PeakOutput
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    purity wrote: »

    It's difficult at times as vegetarians are a minority and most eat meat. It was tasty especially country style sausages and white pudding but I don't miss them, my diet is boring and basic and sometimes I wonder am I receiving enough nutrients.

    All because of some misguided view of morality

    This isn't a dress rehearsal, food is one of lifes great pleasures and forcing yourself to have a boring diet is absolutely ridiculous


  • #55
    Darkginger
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    Just a thought - what sort of death do you think animals will have if we stop farming and eating them? Is it the method of their death, or the quality of their lives which matters? Just something I've always thought about when considering vegetarianism...


  • #56
    PeakOutput
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    Priori wrote: »

    Agree with you on that one. It's when things like the following happen that put me off my meat..

    has there been any documentaries like that on cruelty in the Irish meat industry? people forget that most of those films are made on different continents and the practices here are extremely humane and ethical and by opting out of the meat industry in this country you are actually harming the people who go to the effort of not treating the animals like they do in those videos while having absolutely zero impact on the people who do treat them like that


  • #57
    LK_Dave
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    PeakOutput wrote: »
    Cant find the actual paper right now but with a quick google I was able to find this brief summary although admittedly I have no idea what this website is really about http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_1.html


    I understand that cholesterol plays a very important function in the body and we need to ingest/consume x amount daily to maintain a healthy body and mind. But I'm still not convinced that excess cholesterol is solely down to your genes. Look at the phenomenon kids who reach obesity in before their teens. Many are the children of perfectly healthy parents who have no family history of cholesterol but the children are reading off the charts.
    I only scanned through the linked document, I have stated before I’m not a doctor or a medical professional of any kind so I stand to be corrected, but the references for this article would worry me. Knowledge has moved on a bit since then.

    References:
    J W Gofman, et al. The role of lipids and lipoproteins in atherosclerosis . Science. 1950; 111: 166.
    J P Strong, H C McGill jr. The natural history of coronary atherosclerosis. Am J Pathol. 1962; 40: 37.
    W F Enos, R H Holmes, J Beyer. Coronary disease among United States soldiers killed in action in Korea. Preliminary report. JAMA 1953; 152: 1090.


  • #58
    purity
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    PeakOutput wrote: »
    All because of some misguided view of morality

    This isn't a dress rehearsal, food is one of lifes great pleasures and forcing yourself to have a boring diet is absolutely ridiculous

    Point taken yes I chose vegetarian diet and now I face consequences but I feel better in myself being one. I meant my diet is bland in regards to fancy cuisine most contain meat but I opt for quorn which is tasty and a substitute for meat. I can eat veg and fruit and dairy as a vegan diet is ludicrous to me


  • #59
    purity
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    Darkginger wrote: »
    Just a thought - what sort of death do you think animals will have if we stop farming and eating them? Is it the method of their death, or the quality of their lives which matters? Just something I've always thought about when considering vegetarianism...

    There is no natural predator to kill the farm animals thankfully so they'd die with age however the quality of their live is short and sad and their diet consists of grass and hay whereas in the states their fed corn so really it's a boring life. The method of their death under european law is that the animal is stunned and then bled to death.
    However in other countries the animal is killed horrifically and some meat is imported.


  • #60
    PeakOutput
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    LK_Dave wrote: »
    I understand that cholesterol plays a very important function in the body and we need to ingest/consume x amount daily to maintain a healthy body and mind. But I'm still not convinced that excess cholesterol is solely down to your genes.

    it isn't solely diet can make around a 20% difference
    Look at the phenomenon kids who reach obesity in before their teens. Many are the children of perfectly healthy parents who have no family history of cholesterol but the children are reading off the charts.

    cholesterol and obesity are two completely separate things though, my father for example is pretty much exactly in the right weight region for his height and if anything would be considered skinny, yet he has high cholesterol.
    I only scanned through the linked document, I have stated before I’m not a doctor or a medical professional of any kind so I stand to be corrected, but the references for this article would worry me. Knowledge has moved on a bit since then.

    References:
    J W Gofman, et al. The role of lipids and lipoproteins in atherosclerosis . Science. 1950; 111: 166.
    J P Strong, H C McGill jr. The natural history of coronary atherosclerosis. Am J Pathol. 1962; 40: 37.
    W F Enos, R H Holmes, J Beyer. Coronary disease among United States soldiers killed in action in Korea. Preliminary report. JAMA 1953; 152: 1090.


    Yep I agree thats why I said I am not sure about that website but the summary I quoted is roughly the exact same conclusion that I had read from much more recent studies but I cant find them from a google. I am not having a go at you or anything I am just saying that the science says otherwise.


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  • #61
    PeakOutput
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    purity wrote: »
    There is no natural predator to kill the farm animals thankfully so they'd die with age

    emm no they wouldn't, the second they do not become economicly viable to the farmers they would be killed and the land used for crops. thinking that the farmers will pay for the animals upkeep and maintenance if they could not sell them is exceptionally naieve


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