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I am probably going to get slated for this but anyway

  • 30-04-2011 10:34PM
    #1
    cram1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭


    Guys,

    I live in Howth a place that needs tourists and visitors, but it is getting crazy with the amount of cyclists, cycling 2 and 3 abreast at 20kmph (if even for some of the newbies) going up the hill. the roads around the hill are tight and windy with not a lot of overtaking spots.

    When a car comes up behind you please pull in as tight as possible to let us locals get by.

    Thanks and happy cycling ...


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  • #2
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    I guess it's seasonal...

    Last week's thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71663321


  • #3
    cram1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭cram1971


    Sorry I see I posted this in the wrong section mods please move!


  • #4
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    cram1971 wrote: »
    Guys,

    I live in Howth a place that needs tourists and visitors, but it is getting crazy with the amount of cyclists, cycling 2 and 3 abreast at 20kmph (if even for some of the newbies) going up the hill. the roads around the hill are tight and windy with not a lot of overtaking spots.

    When a car comes up behind you please pull in as tight as possible to let us locals get by.

    Thanks and happy cycling ...

    Please dont ride my ass either. But I agree, cyclists should try yield, however, there arnt many places to pull in, some in particular are narrow as cars park on the sides of the road.


  • #5
    cram1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭cram1971


    Not really asking anyone to stop as I appreciate loosing momentum going up a hill is a pain in the 'Ass'. Just get as tight to the curb as possible in single file


  • #6
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    cram1971 wrote: »
    Not really asking anyone to stop as I appreciate loosing momentum going up a hill is a pain in the 'Ass'. Just get as tight to the curb as possible in single file

    Thats dangerous for the cyclist, in fairness you can pass a cyclist thats maybe 3ft from the kerb safely on that road, maybe a wheel over the line, I drive and I cycle, Ive drove and cycled that road many times, it is possible, in general I think people give cyclists more berth than is needed, thats just my opinion.

    A bit of give and take on both sides is needed, not the "get the **** out of my way" attitude.
    Just as holding cars up in a group is ignorant, I think expecting cyclist to bail into the gutter to get out of your way is just as bad. Yes its irritating, and I totally get your point, but I do see both sides, which many dont.


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  • #7
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    Please read the charter.


  • #8
    cram1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭cram1971


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    Please read the charter.
    What makes you think I didn't read the charter?


  • #9
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    cram1971 wrote: »
    Guys,

    I live in Howth a place that needs tourists and visitors, but it is getting crazy with the amount of cyclists, cycling 2 and 3 abreast at 20kmph (if even for some of the newbies) going up the hill. the roads around the hill are tight and windy with not a lot of overtaking spots.

    When a car comes up behind you please pull in as tight as possible to let us locals get by.

    Thanks and happy cycling ...

    Why?

    I mean, I agree that cyclists shouldn't be cycling 3 breast, but why do you expect and request another road user to place themselves in a dangerous position (hard over to the left in the gutter) for your convenience? And why only in Howth?

    All those cyclists don't just teleport in there. Should the people of Malahide, Portmarnock, Baldoyle, Sutton, Bayside etc not get the same consideration or is just Howth expected to benefit from a collective agreement to your request?


  • #10
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Like alot of people I cycle and drive, I will try and keep as far left as I can generally, but the curbside of alot of the roads in Dublin is not fit for either car or cyclist, one can't keep oneself close to the curb if the surface would belong more on the crater fields of moon than on a travelled road.


  • #11
    trad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    We're going to have to build more hills on the northside.


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  • #12
    bcmf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭bcmf


    trad wrote: »
    We're going to have to build more hills on the northside.
    No.Never. We have enough hills thank you very much. In fact the hills we have we need to flatten for those of us who have an allergic reaction to hills.


  • #13
    too_sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭too_sleepy


    This is a difficult topic. Mainly because of the two abreast cycling. When out with a group I really like the feeling of safety in the large group, your so much more visible and cars never seem to mind waiting a few moments for an opportunity to overtake. They get passed a bunch of cyclists in one pass.

    When out with one other cyclists I still like cycling two abreast but feel its more for enjoyment than safety. So I now try to go single file.

    I suppose this isn't just about cars and bikes, how would cyclists feel stuck behind a horse carriage doing 8kmh?

    It seems theres two issues, safety and conveniance. Cyclists slow cars down, we should try to accomodate cars but never for our own safety. I just cant ever cycle close to the curb, for one it's full of junk from the road. It leaves you nowhere to go if theres a bad hole ahead and it makes you less visible. years ago I read some report from a German university, the meat of it was you've got to get into the line of sight of the driver. Drivers simply do not look at curbes when they're driving.
    I get into trouble a bit on the road, but I cycle a good metre into the road. I'm more visible, I've got some room on my left to move into if I have to, I don't get punctures.

    Do cars give too much room when overtaking? I don't think so. I really appreciate when they give me plenty of room. Far too often a car has skimmed past me, so close I've been bumped. AND when this has happened I've usually corrected mself because I wasn't far enough away from the curb.
    The driver sees me but reckons they can keep their line and drive past. Moving into the road the driver has to think and plan to overtake.

    Stay Safe.


  • #14
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Cram,
    I understand the point you are trying to make, but hiding it behind some bogus claim about tourists is pretty lame.

    Why would this has any effect on tourism? Have France noticed a drop in numbers in the Alps, what about the Mont Ventoux region?

    Why would tourists be in a such a hurry that (lets be extremely pessimistic here) a 1 minute delay will somehow have them blogging that Howth is a no go area!

    Is you drive up behind a horse people slow down and wait, even having the courtesy to stay as calm and keep the engine noise down. Meet a cyclist however and it seems that the car driver believes it is their right to get by, the cyclists must move over.

    If the road isn't wide enough to accomodate the increasing traffic level then bring it up with Dublin CC (or Fingal or whatever bunch of lunatics is in 'charge')

    Next time please put a bit more effort into disguising your motives, my 6 month old could have come up with a better premise. You'll be telling us you know a 'friend' who doesn't like cyclists next:D


  • #15
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    If you got stuck behind a horse and carriage at that speed you're probably not going to mind too much, otherwise you do what a motorist can easily do to a cyclist, wait for a safe overtaking opportunity.


  • #16
    Straatvark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Straatvark


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Cram,
    I understand the point you are trying to make, but hiding it behind some bogus claim about tourists is pretty lame.

    Why would this has any effect on tourism? Have France noticed a drop in numbers in the Alps, what about the Mont Ventoux region?

    Why would tourists be in a such a hurry that (lets be extremely pessimistic here) a 1 minute delay will somehow have them blogging that Howth is a no go area!

    Is you drive up behind a horse people slow down and wait, even having the courtesy to stay as calm and keep the engine noise down. Meet a cyclist however and it seems that the car driver believes it is their right to get by, the cyclists must move over.

    If the road isn't wide enough to accomodate the increasing traffic level then bring it up with Dublin CC (or Fingal or whatever bunch of lunatics is in 'charge')

    Next time please put a bit more effort into disguising your motives, my 6 month old could have come up with a better premise. You'll be telling us you know a 'friend' who doesn't like cyclists next:D

    I read his post as the tourists that cycle to Howth.


  • #17
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Cram,
    I understand the point you are trying to make, but hiding it behind some bogus claim about tourists is pretty lame.

    Why would this has any effect on tourism? Have France noticed a drop in numbers in the Alps, what about the Mont Ventoux region?

    Why would tourists be in a such a hurry that (lets be extremely pessimistic here) a 1 minute delay will somehow have them blogging that Howth is a no go area!

    Is you drive up behind a horse people slow down and wait, even having the courtesy to stay as calm and keep the engine noise down. Meet a cyclist however and it seems that the car driver believes it is their right to get by, the cyclists must move over.

    If the road isn't wide enough to accomodate the increasing traffic level then bring it up with Dublin CC (or Fingal or whatever bunch of lunatics is in 'charge')

    Next time please put a bit more effort into disguising your motives, my 6 month old could have come up with a better premise. You'll be telling us you know a 'friend' who doesn't like cyclists next:D

    I don't think the OP was worried about other tourists - I think the tourists and visitors being referred to were cyclists - in other words "Howth welcomes cyclists as long as you don't get in the way of the X5 drivers" ;)


  • #18
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    cram1971 wrote: »
    What makes you think I didn't read the charter?

    Because it entirely answers your question
    A common complaint from motorists is of being held up by cyclists cycling in the middle of the road or cyclists cycling two abreast. Believe it or not, cyclists occasionally cycle like this purposefully, in order to protect themselves. There are situations where there is not enough room for a driver to safely overtake a cyclist. Dangerous drivers assume there is, accelerate past the cyclist, discover there is not enough room and pass too close to the cyclist, forcing them into the kerb. To prevent this sort of behaviour, a cyclist will 'take the lane'. That is, they will cycle in the middle of the lane until such time as it is safe for the motorist behind to pass. This is usually in the order of less than a minute, depending on road conditions, so perhaps bear this in mind and be patient.


  • #19
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    cram1971 wrote: »
    Guys,

    I live in Howth a place that needs tourists and visitors, but it is getting crazy with the amount of cyclists, cycling 2 and 3 abreast at 20kmph (if even for some of the newbies) going up the hill. the roads around the hill are tight and windy with not a lot of overtaking spots.

    When a car comes up behind you please pull in as tight as possible to let us locals get by.

    Thanks and happy cycling ...

    Hi cram1971, I am a tourist and a visitor and would very much like to go to Howth (as you say you need people like me). However, I cycle a bike, and so am wondering if I'm welcome to spend my touristy money there, or if I'm one of the nuisance cyclists you speak of...


  • #20
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    And while I'm at it, when you in your car are going down either side of Howth Hill, could you please think of the cyclists who are being held up by your big, noisy, smelly cars and pull in so that our much faster moving selves can get by. I't just so inconsiderate for me to be nailing a descent, only to come up behind a car only going about 40, and then having the audacity to brake before a corner.... stupid motorists. What do I contribute to general taxation that goes to upkeep the road network for if you jerks are going to be going all slow downhill on them.


  • #21
    cram1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭cram1971


    I cannot believe how self rightous and presumtous some of these replies have been.

    I do take the point of safety in numbers but if cyclists continue to cycle up and down Howth Hill the way some of them do there will be an accident.

    Bye!


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  • #22
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    cram1971 wrote: »
    I cannot believe how self rightous and presumtous some of these replies have been.

    I do take the point of safety in numbers but if cyclists continue to cycle up and down Howth Hill the way some of them do there will be an accident.

    Bye!

    And I can't believe how self rightous and presumptuous your initial post was, so I guess we're finally on the same page....

    stupid questions get stupid answers


  • #23
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    TinyExplosions wrote: »
    And I can't believe how self rightous and presumptuous your initial post was, so I guess we're finally on the same page....

    stupid questions get stupid answers

    I can only agree, you would never see a post like this in the UK or NI where they teach road manners to drivers at an early age, and by the way I have driven a HGV for a few years as a living, cyclists also have to be mannerly on the road, but they sont have noisey enginges and horns to to behave like idiots


  • #24
    trad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    bcmf wrote: »
    No.Never. We have enough hills thank you very much. In fact the hills we have we need to flatten for those of us who have an allergic reaction to hills.

    What? You have Howth from Howth, Howth from Sutton, the hill up by the Mater Hospital and the one up by Omni. I have Bray Head on my way to work or else the mere pimple on the N11 up to Kilmacanogue.


  • #25
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,520 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    cram1971 wrote: »
    I am probably going to get slated for this but anyway

    He shoots....he scores!


  • #26
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Trivial observation: the American spelling "curb" is used about four times as much as "kerb" in this thread.

    I make no judgement. They're equally valid.


  • #27
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,520 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Trivial observation: the American spelling "curb" is used about four times as much as "kerb" in this thread.

    I make no judgement. They're equally valid.

    Curb your pedantry, please. :pac:


  • #28
    Gavin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭Gavin


    Lumen wrote: »
    Curb your pedantry, please. :pac:

    Yeah, put the breaks on


  • #29
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    Christ on a bike folks. Get over yourselves.
    A person posts a request in polite fashion and gets the usual knee-jerk response from self righteous cyclists.
    The request was just that, a request not a directive.
    The OP was courteous and understanding IMHO.

    You don't have to agree to his/her request. The OP was reasonable to ask for some consideration. Likewise you may consider or ignore such a plea.

    That's all.


  • #30
    15lean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭15lean


    cram1971 wrote: »
    I cannot believe how self rightous and presumtous some of these replies have been.

    I do take the point of safety in numbers but if cyclists continue to cycle up and down Howth Hill the way some of them do there will be an accident.

    Bye!

    Idiot


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  • #31
    Murph100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Murph100


    What a fantastic contribution on your 6th post, Mensa will be banging down your door.

    15lean wrote: »
    Idiot


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