Simple question, what's the best striking art and why?

Burnt · 27-04-2011 03:33PM

garrybergin wrote: »

...e.g. you could be the best judoka in the world, but your snookered if a fight breaks out in a phone box coz you have no room to throw him/her...

Strangle ftw

Sid_Justice · 27-04-2011 04:03PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

This is a fairly ridiculous situation though, isn't it?

Doug Cartel · 27-04-2011 04:07PM

I stand corrected, this must be a much more pressing issue for the martial arts community than I first thought.

garrybergin · 27-04-2011 04:08PM

Burnt wrote: »

Strangle ftw

Coz strangles form part of a striking art ??? - THINK!!!

Doug Cartel · 27-04-2011 04:10PM

Garry, you said judo. Judo has strangles.

garrybergin · 27-04-2011 04:16PM

Secondly, saying it's all down to the practitioner is just as bad as saying that somebody doing art X would automatically beat somebody doing art Y. There are a number of factors that are going to affect the outcome, and the individual is only one of them. You think it's a complete coincidence that BJJ, wrestling and MT is the most common combination found in MMA?

??? - its not the same thing at all - what i'm saying is that its the fight in the dog, not the dog in the fight

- furthermore why even bring up BJJ or wrestling, this is a thread about striking arts !!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

garrybergin · 27-04-2011 04:18PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Garry, you said judo. Judo has strangles.

Another one !! thought this was about striking arts ???

- well aware Judo has strangles my friend, have a 2nd Dan in the Art :rolleyes:

Doug Cartel · 27-04-2011 04:20PM

garrybergin wrote: »

Another one !! thought this was about striking arts ???

- well aware Judo has strangles my friend, have a 2nd Dan in the Art :rolleyes:

Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please don't start this kind of trolling.

NB. If you have issue with this PM me.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 27-04-2011 06:45PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Look, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please don't start this kind of trolling.

NB. If you have issue with this PM me.

Just for the record Doug.

Garry is a mate of mine, a 2nd dan Judoka and he's not trolling.

Burnt · 27-04-2011 07:21PM

garrybergin wrote: »

Coz strangles form part of a striking art ??? - THINK!!!

What about, "Judo Chop!"?

Seriously though; it was a light hearted post to a fanciful situation,
hence the smilies, there isn't really need for stress and aggro.

FTA69 · 27-04-2011 09:44PM

You can teach someone how to fight but you can't make someone a fighter so to speak; there's plenty of lethal scrappers out there who've never trained in anything in their lives.

However, if you wanted to teach someone how to fight and see a dramatic improvement in their ability to handle themselves (better than they would have before) I'd say boxing would be tops. After six months of regular training they would know how to throw a punch, how to take one, how to move off after hitting (footwork) and how to keep the head busy. That's the fundamentals you're going to need like.

chprt · 27-04-2011 10:18PM

right what about 8 men from any striking art, all of roughly the same standard meeting up. €125 each have an 8 man tournie and the winner takes the grand...

do it some sunday afternoon, failing that make a proper show out of it...

... karate vs thai

... tkd vs kung fu

... like the good old days

paddy

Bujinkan · 27-04-2011 11:54PM

chprt wrote: »

... karate vs thai

... tkd vs kung fu

... like the good old days

paddy

Ahhhhh...flashbacks to the early days of the UFC!!!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-04-2011 12:59AM

chprt wrote: »

right what about 8 men from any striking art, all of roughly the same standard meeting up. €125 each have an 8 man tournie and the winner takes the grand...

do it some sunday afternoon, failing that make a proper show out of it...

... karate vs thai

... tkd vs kung fu

... like the good old days

paddy

I'll fight any of the above, and beat them with my Judo

IN A TELEPHONE BOX

HammerHeadGym · 28-04-2011 01:41AM

OLDMAN1 wrote: »

That would depend on who you train with and the way they train!!!

No. No it wouldn't. As earlier UFC demonstrated, Most karate forms, Kung fu, Tae kwon do, got bashed and never came back. Same for K-1.

I'm not saying their not valid for self defence type scenarios, but they could never be considered among the best striking arts.
Unless you have a link, showcasing correctly trained kung fu, I'm going to remain unmoveable on this one.

Doug Cartel · 28-04-2011 08:20AM

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

No. No it wouldn't. As earlier UFC demonstrated, Most karate forms, Kung fu, Tae kwon do, got bashed and never came back. Same for K-1.

I think the problem is you're thinking about this kind of kung-fu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgzIyuPHsg

and OLDMAN1 is thinking about this kind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4kDlGA_aPI

garrybergin · 28-04-2011 11:18AM

Ibrahim Alive Sandalwood wrote: »

I'll fight any of the above, and beat them with my Judo
IN A TELEPHONE BOX

Yeah Martin, you would definately win with the spolier off your car mate !!! you'd do some damage with that !!!:D:D

OLDMAN1 · 28-04-2011 12:14PM

chprt wrote: »

right what about 8 men from any striking art, all of roughly the same standard meeting up. €125 each have an 8 man tournie and the winner takes the grand...

do it some sunday afternoon, failing that make a proper show out of it...

... karate vs thai

... tkd vs kung fu

... like the good old days

paddy

I think that would be a great idea, but i would have a few suggestions
(1) only instructors so there is no arguement that one guy has more experience that another, if your teaching you should know it all(in your style).
(2) no gloves,no rules(all strikes standing and on the ground)
(3) 1 round, no time limit
(4) more money, 300 at 25 euros is 7500 euros plus 2500 profit from the bar= 10,000 euros , less expenses, venue,insurance. winner takes all...

garrybergin · 28-04-2011 12:45PM

OLDMAN1 wrote: »

I think that would be a great idea, but i would have a few suggestions
(1) only instructors so there is no arguement that one guy has more experience that another, if your teaching you should know it all(in your style).
(2) no gloves,no rules(all strikes standing and on the ground)
(3) 1 round, no time limit
(4) more money, 300 at 25 euros is 7500 euros plus 2500 profit from the bar= 10,000 euros , less expenses, venue,insurance. winner takes all...

my money would definately be on Andy Ryan !!!

failing that "Makikomi" with his car spolier !!!:D:D

OLDMAN1 · 28-04-2011 02:46PM

garrybergin wrote: »

my money would definately be on Andy Ryan !!!

failing that "Makikomi" with his car spolier !!!:D:D

I didn't know Andy Ryan did striking, even so he could throw, get mount and then strike away...

Charlie3dan · 28-04-2011 04:21PM

Some observations, for the craic:

Best Punches: Boxing
Best Kicks (technically): TKD
One without the other: Not a good striker

Most easily applied to MMA: Muay Thai
Standard of striking in MMA generally: Average

Most complete striking styles: Traditional striking arts like Karate.
Problem with traditional: Not trained competitively or often restricted with competition rules.

Effective unconventional striking: Capoeira
Problem with this type of art: Sometimes ignore more mainstream techniques

Most self defence focused: Krav maga
Self defence training in general: Punch elbow knee, punch elbow knee, punch elbow……groin strike

Doug Cartel · 28-04-2011 04:33PM

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Some observations, for the craic:

Best Punches: Boxing
Best Kicks (technically): TKD
One without the other: Not a good striker

Most easily applied to MMA: Muay Thai
Standard of striking in MMA generally: Average

Most complete striking styles: Traditional striking arts like Karate.
Problem with traditional: Not trained competitively or often restricted with competition rules.

Effective unconventional striking: Capoeira
Problem with this type of art: Sometimes ignore more mainstream techniques

Most self defence focused: Krav maga
Self defence training in general: Punch elbow knee, punch elbow knee, punch elbow……groin strike

Can you justify any of those assertions?

Charlie3dan · 28-04-2011 04:40PM

Yes, all of them, based solely on my opinions and experience, a fair amount of generalisation and not taking it too seriously, as with everything on here.

Doug Cartel · 28-04-2011 04:41PM

Go ahead so.

Charlie3dan · 28-04-2011 04:46PM

I just did, those are opinions formed from my experience.
I've conceded they may be overly generalised and not all serious.

Want to question why a arrived at an opinion in particular? Go ahead so.

Doug Cartel · 28-04-2011 04:52PM

OK, I'm going to quote myself form earlier on in the thread.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

These arguments come up all the time and though they can sometimes be annoying, they can also be fun, provided people give reasons for their choices.

If people are going to post up a list of things and give no reason other than "because I say so", the thread will bomb pretty quickly.

Tim_Murphy · 28-04-2011 04:56PM

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Most complete striking styles: Traditional striking arts like Karate.
Problem with traditional: Not trained competitively or often restricted with competition rules.

I would change this category to
'Best in a kinda vague undefined way: Traditional striking arts like Karate'

:pac:

Charlie3dan · 28-04-2011 05:05PM

Doug Cartel wrote: »

OK, I'm going to quote myself form earlier on in the thread.

If people are going to post up a list of things and give no reason other than "because I say so", the thread will bomb pretty quickly.

That would be a mega post, I've listed too many arts to explain my thoughts on each.

The main point really is more that all arts have their advantages and drawbacks. IMO. And whether you agree with my comments is up to you.

FTA69 · 28-04-2011 05:21PM

Best Punches: Boxing

True. Boxing is the most refined and potent martial art concerning punching; there are very few people at the elites of other martial arts who could stand with a professional boxer in a fight based on punches.

Best Kicks (technically): TKD

Not at all, the sparring they do is usually conducted with the practitioners dressed like Ninja Turtles. That and the spinning, roundhouse and flashy kicks are largely impractical in a street or MMA context. The hardest and most devastating kickers are found in Muay Thai.

One without the other: Not a good striker

Not necessarily, I wouldn't say that you could call someone like Manny Pacquiao a "bad striker" in general, similarly many in MMA don't put any meaningful basis on kicks e.g. Fedor or BJ Penn.

Most easily applied to MMA: Muay Thai

I'd nearly agree with that, although boxing is undoubtedly a good base as well.

Standard of striking in MMA generally: Average

True.

Most complete striking styles: Traditional striking arts like Karate.

Not at all, I'm not putting sh*t on any martial arts but unless you're doing hard, complete and full-contact sparring on a regular basis then it's largely redundant. There is no way you could say the punching taught in Karate rivals that of boxing, or its kicks that of Muay Thai.

Effective unconventional striking: Capoeira

Effective my ass. Great for fitness or flexibility I'd imagine; not going to cut the mustard in a scrap.

unknown13 · 28-04-2011 05:39PM

Muay thai would get my vote because it is the most practical in self defense situations. I would rate Boxing and Kickboxing highly aswell because of the lack of patterns and more sparring based approach / way of teaching.

Simple question, what's the best striking art and why?

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