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What to do with the Monaghan gold mine

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  • #32
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    If a geologist finds oil on your land are you not entitled to some profits even if they put in years of work and expense? The state isnt robbing what is infact Irish soil.

    Of course. That's only right and proper. What those who advocate nationalisation want to see though, is the state trampling all over private property rights.
    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    Problem is private companys do not own the earth,Irish soil belongs to Irish people and the minerals and oils underneath it.Its fair to pay them a profitable percentage to extract it.In the current system it makes no difference if companys finds, anything or not because we wont get anything for it anyway,mabey a pat on back "well done lads ye have gold,were just going to relieve you of it know" we might employ 50 goons doin it wahaay

    Eh that's bullsh!t. Anyone extracting this gold will have to pay for the right to do so. They won't be allowed to send in goons or any such nonsense. Methinks your boas is showing...


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    squod wrote: »
    Who owns what is a matter for the government. Any how, it's fairly common to levy high taxes against people taking stuff like this out of the country. I don't see why we're not doing the same.
    What the fuk.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    If a geologist finds oil on your land are you not entitled to some profits even if they put in years of work and expense? The state isnt robbing what is infact Irish soil.
    What the fuk.
    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    Problem is private companys do not own the earth,Irish soil belongs to Irish people and the minerals and oils underneath it.Its fair to pay them a profitable percentage to extract it.In the current system it makes no difference if companys finds, anything or not because we wont get anything for it anyway,mabey a pat on back "well done lads ye have gold,were just going to relieve you of it know" we might employ 50 goons doin it wahaay
    What the fuk.


  • #34
    MarkR
    Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Leprechauns for all.


  • #35
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    Don't tell the IMF about it for a start.

    We could be like elves that furiously guard our stash and put magic spells on Germans.


  • #36
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    Its a disgrace.
    They want to build a shaft into the ground several thousand feet down.
    SO you know the risks involved.
    All the waste material and chemicals mainly cyanide.
    What if some locals breathed in this noxious gas.
    Look at any other gold mine around the world and the total devasitation of the area, what if there are rear species of animal, bird or slug habititing this area? They will be wiped out.
    I for one would welcome a group like Conway Underground Non-mine Troops to oppose this.

    Do you realise how close this is to Northern Ireland?
    If they drill down and a bit to the right, they could find themselves in a different country hence having to give all the gold to the British.


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  • #37
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Rented Mule wrote: »
    @ €24 million at today's prices per year before costs. It's a drop in the bucket when it comes to the national debt.

    If you want to go after something, I'd hit the Corrib gas field and actually make some money on the deal.

    Not if the government implement part two of my cunning plan, we detonate an atomic weapon in the heart of Fort Knox irradiating a large portion of the world's supplies of gold, the precious mineral would instantly soar in value and we could pay off our national debt!


  • #38
    RachaelVO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    conorhal wrote: »
    Not if the government implement part two of my cunning plan, we detonate an atomic weapon in the heart of Fort Knox irradiating a large portion of the world's supplies of gold, the precious mineral would instantly soar in value and we could pay off our national debt!

    With this sort of cunning we cannot fail!!!


  • #39
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    dont let fianna fail near it


  • #40
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Its a disgrace.
    They want to build a shaft into the ground several thousand feet down.
    SO you know the risks involved.
    All the waste material and chemicals mainly cyanide.
    What if some locals breathed in this noxious gas.
    Look at any other gold mine around the world and the total devasitation of the area, what if there are rear species of animal, bird or slug habititing this area? They will be wiped out.
    I for one would welcome a group like Conway Underground Non-mine Troops to oppose this.

    Do you realise how close this is to Northern Ireland?
    If they drill down and a bit to the right, they could find themselves in a different country hence having to give all the gold to the British.

    Maybe there are legitimate concerns but jaysus, people will find anything to protest at!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #41
    punchdrunk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    What if some locals breathed in this noxious gas.

    eh,it's Monaghan they're either on the dole,or vampire farmers sucking the country dry of subsidies :p


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  • #42
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    Einhard wrote: »
    Eh maybe in North Korea. There's the pesky little matter of the Constitution, and the independent judiciary to consider.





    Isn't that a contradiction? If there are already high taxes on people taking stuff like this out of the country, then surely we are doing it?

    Incidentally, why not nationalise farming, and the food processing industry. I mean, they are billions to the likes of Glanbia and Kerry Group. Why not just cut out the middleman so to speak, and rob nationalise their assets.

    Einhard you underestimate the left leaning and sometimes downright communist nature of quite a lot of Irish people. It is almost certain that some would like to see the agri industry nationalised as well using "the current economic circumstances" as the excuse


  • #43
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Einhard wrote: »

    Incidentally, why not nationalise farming, and the food processing industry.

    We bleedin' are! Farmers get incentive payments, farm supplement payments, all kinds of crap. As for the banks, you'd think we owned them !
    It's perfectly logical for the government to act with good will towards it's people. Just because you haven't experienced it here, doesn't mean that's the norm.


  • #44
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    K-9 wrote: »
    A Billion would pay the Welfare bill for about 2 weeks.

    Or pay for an investment programme to encourage business start-ups. I see the glass half full like.


  • #45
    D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭D


    Gold mine is already in private hands about 600 mill worth of gold but it would cost about 450 mill to extract meaning only 150 profit.


  • #46
    hidinginthebush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    That will be soaked up by the "planning application fees", the security bill and the inevitable tribunals to examine the "planning application fees" and security bill.

    There's also a $5000 "leaving town" tax


  • #47
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    squod wrote: »
    Or pay for an investment programme to encourage business start-ups. I see the glass half full like.

    Would you then nationalise those business start ups once they started to do well??


  • #48
    hardCopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Would you then nationalise those business start ups once they started to do well??

    Sure why not, then we can nationalise my house after I get the new windows in.

    After all, it's not my land, it's Irish land!


  • #49
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Would you then nationalise those business start ups once they started to do well??

    Let me tell you something. First off, I've never been a leftie. Never been a wanna be leftie or any or their ilk. Plenty of suit and tie wearing, right wing suits are banging their fucking hands together when someone finds gold. It's literally worth more than money right now.

    I doubt if america or china (or whatever) would let this opportunity pass them by.


  • #50
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Most intelligent, fully comprehensive, witty post ever to be seeing on boards.






    Anyone know where to get a new sarcasm meter cause I just broke mine there.

    Why do you use a sarcasm meter on yourself?


  • #51
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    squod wrote: »
    Let me tell you something. First off, I've never been a leftie. Never been a wanna be leftie or any or their ilk.

    Are you really really sure about that?? The post below would seem to indicate otherwise

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is .......
    squod wrote: »
    Who owns what is a matter for the government.


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  • #52
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    squod wrote: »
    Or pay for an investment programme to encourage business start-ups. I see the glass half full like.

    Well by the sounds of it, it isn't going to be anywhere near a Billion, but if it is we can increase the taxes on it, AFAIK mining companies are charged higher Corporation tax anyway, we could put the extra into job initiatives.

    At this stage a feasibility study hasn't even commenced so it is rather hypothetical.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #53
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Are you really really sure about that?? The post below would seem to indicate otherwise

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is .......

    Your opinion means so much to me.
    Patriot
    noun
    a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

    Something you're obviously not.


  • #54
    Tom Cruises Left Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭Tom Cruises Left Nut


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    What if some locals breathed in this noxious gas.

    Its Monaghan though... so meh :p


  • #55
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    squod wrote: »
    It's perfectly logical for the government to act with good will towards it's people. Just because you haven't experienced it here, doesn't mean that's the norm.


    You realise that business owners, and those that own private companies, are people too? But it's ok to steal from them?


  • #56
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    squod wrote: »
    Your opinion means so much to me.
    Patriot


    Something you're obviously not.

    you do realise that being a communist/liberal/whatever has absolutely nothing to do with being patriotic


  • #57
    gonedrinking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭gonedrinking


    We should use all the IMF's money to dig for gold in surrounding areas. If there is one goldmine, there is sure to be loads of others nearby. Gold only grows in certain conditions so there must be something about that area that is providing the right environment for gold to flourish.


  • #58
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Give it to Germany, and give the Gardaí shotguns to shoot any meddling Irish civilians that might object to such a great giveaway.


  • #59
    Tipp Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Give it to Germany, and give the Gardaí shotguns to shoot any meddling Irish civilians that might object to such a great giveaway.

    which is a much more likely scenario than if it is in private ownership

    Baffling how anybody can think the government has the "right" to take it under state control


  • #60
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    What makes anyone else believe they have a right to the gold??

    If the mine is filled to the brim with Ardagh Chalices, then maybe we can claim its part of our national heritage, but if its just a natural resource like the nitrogen, potassium etc. salts in the soil which is used to grow vegetables on farmers' lands, we shouldn't go claiming it, much like we don't nick all their spuds!

    Finder's keepers.


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  • #61
    fikay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭fikay


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Its a disgrace.
    They want to build a shaft into the ground several thousand feet down.
    SO you know the risks involved.
    All the waste material and chemicals mainly cyanide.
    What if some locals breathed in this noxious gas.
    Look at any other gold mine around the world and the total devasitation of the area, what if there are rear species of animal, bird or slug habititing this area? They will be wiped out.
    I for one would welcome a group like Conway Underground Non-mine Troops to oppose this.

    Do you realise how close this is to Northern Ireland?
    If they drill down and a bit to the right, they could find themselves in a different country hence having to give all the gold to the British.

    This looks like a job for rent-a-crowd


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