Easter Rising or the battle of the Somme - Where would you have been fighting?

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:17PM

karma_ wrote: »

I think he's watched Troy once too often.

Alexander the great on the other hand, a true legend. His campaigns and domination are still told today. He seen glory.

RichieC · 22-04-2011 08:17PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

"We make war that we may live in peace." -Aristotle

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. -hitlol

karma_ · 22-04-2011 08:18PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

"We make war that we may live in peace." -Aristotle

He had a famous student you know, and he brought his brand of peace to a whole host of lands.

landsleaving · 22-04-2011 08:20PM

karma_ wrote: »

He had a famous student you know, and he brought his brand of peace to a whole host of lands.

And that young man's name was Bono.

gcgirl · 22-04-2011 08:20PM

Dp

landsleaving · 22-04-2011 08:21PM

gcgirl wrote: »

Pre Easter Rising there was a very pro brittish stance in ireland, women were even throwing syones at the volinteers as they went ipdl to yhe gpo,it was only after the brittish exitcuted the men and esp connolly in a chair which change irish opinion. I would have been in The Somme had I have been a male and around back then, there were fec all jobs and after tne lock out of 1913 it was even worse

If I were mail back then I'd have been in the GPO.

Deedsie · 22-04-2011 08:22PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

"We make war that we may live in peace." -Aristotle

Your kind and your nationalist counterpart are the worst kind of person on this island. Your snide triumphalist remarks are unwelcome and belong in a different era. Go away and grow up, keep your bigotry to yourself. You probably just got the reaction you craved, congratulations

RussellTuring · 22-04-2011 08:24PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Alexander the great on the other hand, a true legend. His campaigns and domination are still told today. He seen glory.

Yes he, as the one in charge, certainly gained a lot from war. Now, what were the names of all of his foot soldiers whose sacrifices granted them eternal fame?

gcgirl · 22-04-2011 08:28PM

Pre Easter Rising there was a very pro brittish stance in ireland, women were even throwing stones at the volinteers as they went to the gpo,it was only after the brittish exitcuted the men and esp connolly in a chair which change irish opinion. I would have been in The Somme had I have been a male and around back then, there were fec all jobs and after tne lock out of 1913 it was even worse and also I seen a brill movie roughly based around Winfred Owen's stay in a kind of hospital for suffers of shell shock now a days its post tramatic distress called '' Regeneration'' one case was a guy who was prepelled in the air by a bomb and his head went sttraight in to the stomach of a rotten corpse and the poor guys could not eat any thing without getting sick, plenty of irish guys died in the somme and they did it so their family had money to buy food and have a roof over their head

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:28PM

RussellTuring wrote: »

Yes he, as the one in charge, certainly gained a lot from war. Now, what were the names of all of his foot soldiers whose sacrifices granted them eternal fame?

His soldiers were well trained and Alexanders father brought a new movement in how to fight. Alexander went one better than his father and did what people thought was impossible.

The names of the foot soldiers are impossible to name, obviously.

LondonIrish90 · 22-04-2011 08:28PM

karma_ wrote: »

WW1 wasn't a war, it was just industrialised murder. After the butchery was done the allies then attempted to put Germany on it's knees which was the root cause of WW2 which was industrialised murder taken to a complete new level.

So basically, probably the most stupid war in history, with far reaching consequences and I'd be willing to bet the men who died during it would rather we learned from that mistake and endeavour not to repeat it instead of paying lip service and wearing a poppy once a year.

You say this with such conviction, yet it is simply untrue. Reparations were one of about 6 or 7 key factors which can be said to have lead to the outbreak of the second world war. To single one out like that is very misleading.

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:31PM

RichieC wrote: »

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. -hitlol

I know a certain movement which is exactly famous for that. Decent quote though. Joseph Goebbels said something similar to that.

LondonIrish90 · 22-04-2011 08:31PM

karma_ wrote: »

It's the 21st Century and we still have people who think this. There's no honour or glory in killing and they certainly isn't any in dying.

Most people (including me, and you) have absolutely no idea.

Maybe to die for king and country isn't considered the honour in the 21st century that it was less than 100 years ago, but to sacrifice your life for the men and women who are with you, in barely talked about, far away war zones is something many who have served would consider very noble.

landsleaving · 22-04-2011 08:31PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

His soldiers were well trained and Alexanders father brought a new movement in how to fight. Alexander went one better than his father and did what people thought was impossible.

The names of the foot soldiers are impossible to name, obviously.

Then what's your point? They aren't exactly echoing very much are they? Just another mass of nameless young men, dead thanks to an imperious, power-hungry tyrant.

gcgirl · 22-04-2011 08:33PM

landsleaving wrote: »

If I were mail back then I'd have been in the GPO.

Yeh you would have been fecking stones at the volinteers more.like

karma_ · 22-04-2011 08:35PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

You say this with such conviction, yet it is simply untrue. Reparations were one of about 6 or 7 key factors which can be said to have lead to the outbreak of the second world war. To single one out like that is very misleading.

Had the treaty been fairer it would not have created the disillusioned population which enabled Hitler to gain power.

RichieC · 22-04-2011 08:35PM

War is the biggest waste of resources imaginable.. imagine all that material wealth put towards things that help further us as a species...

gcgirl · 22-04-2011 08:37PM

The most hated person back then was William Martin Murphy even more so than the brits just think of him as a earlier version of tony o really

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:37PM

RichieC wrote: »

War is the biggest waste of resources imaginable.. imagine all that material wealth put towards things that help further us as a species...

Without war and the Oil we have taken from far off lands, we would not be living in the conditions we do live in now. Our progress out of poverty and into light was because of war.

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:39PM

landsleaving wrote: »

Then what's your point? They aren't exactly echoing very much are they? Just another mass of nameless young men, dead thanks to an imperious, power-hungry tyrant.

Of course they are. Just because you don't know the names of every soldier, don't mean they are forgotten about. A lot of people who went unamed after WW1 still have graves for them.

RichieC · 22-04-2011 08:40PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course they are. Just because you don't know the names of every soldier, don't mean they are forgotten about. A lot of people who went unamed after WW1 still have graves for them.

What a noble fight ww1 was... gosh... scrapping over useless wasteland...

karma_ · 22-04-2011 08:41PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course they are. Just because you don't know the names of every soldier, don't mean they are forgotten about. A lot of people who went unamed after WW1 still have graves for them.

Macedonia doesn't even exist anymore, so much for the Great Alexander. So who remembers them?

Deedsie · 22-04-2011 08:41PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Without war and the Oil we have taken from far off lands, we would not be living in the conditions we do live in now. Our progress out of poverty and into light was because of war.

Democracy, civil liberties had nothing to do with it?

El Siglo · 22-04-2011 08:43PM

If anyone has ever read Robert Fisk, you wouldn't want to fight in a war, any war. Regardless of the reasons, romanticism or rhetoric, war is nothing but grim misery and hell. Here's a good poem, precedes Wilfred Owen et al. completely different era but still fairly good.

"Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have sat us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!

"But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him and he at me,
And killed him in his place.

"I shot him dead because –
Because he was my foe,
Just so – my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although

"He thought he'd 'list perhaps,
Off-hand like – just as I –
Was out of work – had sold his traps –
No other reason why.

"Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat if met where any bar is,
Or help to half-a-crown."

"The man he killed" by Thomas Hardy.

landsleaving · 22-04-2011 08:43PM

gcgirl wrote: »

Yeh you would have been fecking stones at the volinteers more.like

Male

Mail

Know the difference!

Also nice try on the ninja edit

LondonIrish90 · 22-04-2011 08:44PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course they are. Just because you don't know the names of every soldier, don't mean they are forgotten about. A lot of people who went unamed after WW1 still have graves for them.

Much more to do with trade systems in the UK's case than anything else. Very little of its wealth during the times of empire was acquired through direct warfare.

gcgirl · 22-04-2011 08:45PM

People should really research their history better

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:45PM

karma_ wrote: »

Macedonia doesn't even exist anymore, so much for the Great Alexander. So who remembers them?

Alexander is still remembered in the republic of macedonia. Got plenty of statues too.

stewie01 · 22-04-2011 08:46PM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Most people (including me, and you) have absolutely no idea.

Maybe to die for king and country isn't considered the honour in the 21st century that it was less than 100 years ago, but to sacrifice your life for the men and women who are with you, in barely talked about, far away war zones is something many who have served would consider very noble.

i dont think its noble at all. i think its very much stupidity that probably got you into that position and stupitidiy that gets you killed.

whats noble about blowing the sh*t out of a town half way across the world from a pc room or 10 thousand feet in the air. really brave stuff.

KeithAFC · 22-04-2011 08:46PM

Deedsie wrote: »

Democracy, civil liberties had nothing to do with it?

Libya?

Easter Rising or the battle of the Somme - Where would you have been fighting?

Comments