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Carrying medicinal cannabis may become legal in Ireland!

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  • #62
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    AstonMartin wrote: »
    Fundamentally prohibition limits the use because while some usual smokers have no bother getting some green there are tens of thousands that have to rely on their mates getting them a bit now and again. If all they have to do is go to a shop then consumption will obviously increase (there are probably other factors in the Netherlands other than it being simply not being cool to smoke).

    If the penalties for growing weed are also decreased which they would have to be then supply would grow exponentially as it is easy money for a lot of people who wont care about minimal penalties and supply becomes cheap and plentiful.

    I'm sure you have studies that show otherwise but there are more that will agree with me seeing as its basic economics in the end.

    why do irish and english youth drink far more than similar youths in Mediterranean countries? Whereas I think spain/france/italy are the type of counties that could legalise cannabis I think it would be a disaster in Ireland.

    Like you say, it's supply and demand. In Ireland you're allowed buy alcohol at 16 so loads more youths spend their time blotto, while it isn't legal to buy alcohol in the Mediterranean countries until your 18, so they're generally more sober...












    Waidaminute?!? :confused:



    The reason I heard from continental youths for continental youths drinking less is because weed is far easier to get.


  • #63
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Wow. I didn't actually expect you to ignore the rest of my post but anyway...
    AstonMartin wrote: »
    Fundamentally prohibition limits the use because while some usual smokers have no bother getting some green there are tens of thousands that have to rely on their mates getting them a bit now and again. If all they have to do is go to a shop then consumption will obviously increase (there are probably other factors in the Netherlands other than it being simply not being cool to smoke).

    So it will obviously increase, despite the fact that in case studies like the Netherlands, it obviously hasn't. Would it not make sense to investigate these other factors, many of which only become applicable once it is decriminalised and regulated?
    If the penalties for growing weed are also decreased which they would have to be then supply would grow exponentially as it is easy money for a lot of people who wont care about minimal penalties and supply becomes cheap and plentiful.

    So? And despite all evidence to the contrary again, I presume? The USA has some of the harshest penalties in the Western World for cannabis use and also has massive levels of consumption.
    I'm sure you have studies that show otherwise but there are more that will agree with me seeing as its basic economics in the end.

    Do you think preemptively dismissing evidence takes away from its merit? If you do then:
    why do irish and english youth drink far more than similar youths in Mediterranean countries? Whereas I think spain/france/italy are the type of counties that could legalise cannabis I think it would be a disaster in Ireland.

    ...was already mentioned by a previous poster as a likely response so should be immediately discounted. I agree that the Irish have a very immature attitude to drinking compared to others. Do you advocate banning alcohol on these grounds? Surely it would limit consumption and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems with it as we do now.


  • #64
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    I would guess that Irish youth drink more than their continental counterparts because Irish adults drink more than their continental counterparts. It's engrained in culture and encouraged by parents in a lot of cases from an early age.

    When I was in school, it was easier to get cannabis than drink because you didn't need a fake ID and all that carry-on. I'd imagine it's the same now although weed has become much more popular in the last years or so here so is probably even easier to get.

    The irony in all of this is that if cannabis was legal and regulated in the same way as alcohol, it would probably be less readily available to kids and everyone who's not in a fit state to be smoking it than it is now.


  • #65
    hogflem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭hogflem


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I've met these people too, I call them heathens.

    That's like saying fine wine is the same as drinking some solvent you'd use to clean your bathroom. Those kind of people exist too.

    Most of the heathens I know stick to drinking home brewed mead,it beats the rest hands down;)


  • #66
    donutface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭donutface


    AstonMartin wrote: »
    Fundamentally prohibition limits the use because while some usual smokers have no bother getting some green there are tens of thousands that have to rely on their mates getting them a bit now and again. If all they have to do is go to a shop then consumption will obviously increase (there are probably other factors in the Netherlands other than it being simply not being cool to smoke).

    Consumption in Portugal has also dropped since decriminalization. Do they have the same special factor that the Dutch have to make them smoke less? Oh yeah, its no longer sticking it up to the man while youre having fun.

    If consumption was to increase the land wouldnt go to a standstill, companies will still be able to give warnings/fire people for coming to work intoxicated, and people can still be arrested if theyre driving under the influence.

    The world isnt going to end with the legalization of marijuana, day to day life will still be exactly the same other than you'll be allowed to do one more thing that you aren't allowed to do today. If you don't want to do it, nobody will force you to either.

    Theres a great documentary on marijuana, its history, prohibition and health risks here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqJO-RFQfHk


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  • #67
    AnalogueKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭AnalogueKid


    I have epilepsy which is controlled by medication which is very similar to meds used to treat bi-polar disorders. It costs the Irish taxpayer quite a bit too, as I get it for free.

    The only time in my adult life when I was able to remain seizure-free without Sodium Valproate was when I lived in the Netherlands for a few years and self-medicated with clean, high quality cannabis. I'm not arguing for self-medication per se, but in my experience it was significantly less mood-altering than the medication I'm on now. I was gainfully employed, learned Dutch (en ik spreek nog steeds redelijk goede nederlands) and was a productive member of society during the time I spent there.

    This is fantastic news and I hope this is not the last we hear of it. Sufferers of glaucoma, arthritis, the effects of chemotherapy, MS and certain types of epilepsy will welcome this news, even if the knee-jerk Joe Duffy brigade don't.


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