Carrying medicinal cannabis may become legal in Ireland!

120_Minutes wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

Me hoop.

I've been at it since I was in school, its just crap for anything but wasting time. I'm more concerned for people who think its great. I've been to amsterdam and live in california, yeah plenty of exposure, its still mediocre and over hyped. You're doing it wrong.

penguin88 wrote: »

This sort of attitude does huge damage to the case for medicinal cannabis. Legalisation and medicinal use are two distinct endpoints, the latter being harmed by association with the former.

Opiates and amphetamine derivatives are available on prescription, doesn't mean they're any closer to being legalised.

Theres a huge difference between opiates/amphetamine and cannabis. For one, I don't really know any big legalisation movements for heroine (but I might just be very ignorant on the matter). Heroin is still portrayed as a bad bad drug in the media, whereas cannabis is seen as something to laugh about.

California has had legalized marijuana for medicinal use since 1996 and only a few months ago did they have Prop 19 where there was only a 4% difference in the yes/no camp.

The fact that referendums are already happening to legalize for recreational use sets it far far far apart from opiates/amphetamines. Cannabis is fast losing the stigma it once had.

Oh and http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/04/13/Judge-Canadas-marijuana-laws-invalid/UPI-92701302699179/ :-)

ScumLord wrote: »

That's just you, I know people who have tried it and just don't like it. I know people that don't really like to drink. I think weed is great, I like everything about it. I don't expect everyone else to have the same opinion as me though.

But it would be nice if they'd let you decide what you want to do with your own body.

AstonMartin wrote: »

i was always pro legalisation until i seen the effects the head shops had on the 16-25 age group. they weren't even getting a good stoned effect, it was just basically making them hungry and dizzy but they smoked in quantity to the point that it affected a lot of social and work activities. drinking all day in the younger age group is considered a waste of time and with that crucial hangover to keep them in check. pot does not have the same effect to help with the self control aspect.

sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.

I appreciate your point. It's all to easy to smoke weed non stop because compared to just about any other drug there is no horrible come down and you don't really lose the run of yourself. It can be very habit forming while allowing people to go about their day.

But that's the individuals problem, your also comparing apples and oranges the stuff from the headshops was muck of the highest order and not anything like cannabis.

We don't need to protect the minority at the expense of the majority, we have solutions for the problems of addiction and can treat it on an individual basis as it arises without oppressing the nation.

karma_ wrote: »

Here, I've smoked both, and that pish is without doubt nothing like cannabis.

I've smoked both and while different I'd put them both in the same bracket. And I know a few other people who smoke regularly (I just tried Spice the once to see what the story was) and they'd happily smoke Spice if their supply was dry.

Oh_Noes wrote: »

So they're the same? I've tried both and there are very little real similarities, it's like comparing an iPod with some ebay knock-off from Hong Kong. No research was ever done into that stuff either as opposed to 50+ years of research on Cannabis.

No, they're not the exact same. But chemically they are very similar and have similar effects. I don't know the exact details on it but I was assured by a Post-Doc in Bio-Chem and a guy with a PhD who designs drug tests (it pays the bills) that they are quite equivalent.

karma_ wrote: »

Spoken like a true nanny stater.

i smoke and socalise a lot. I'm mid 20s and far from a nanny stater.

there are too many fools who will abuse cannabis if they can get it easier and cheaper.

another poster said why punish the minority to protect the majority. i think you would be surprised which side the majority falls into. don't confuse your usual group of friends who have a social smoke with the thousands of clowns who will regularly go to excess.

the country would be full of young ones having a smoke after a few beers and ending up messy paralytics asleep in the corner of the pub. fact!

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Me hoop.

I've been at it since I was in school, its just crap for anything but wasting time. I'm more concerned for people who think its great. I've been to amsterdam and live in california, yeah plenty of exposure, its still mediocre and over hyped. You're doing it wrong.

You're just not suited for it, you say its rubbish but its given me great relief for anxiety in the past, if i had gone to a doctor i would of gotten some god awful medication with life impairing side effects and on top of that theres no guarantee that they would even work.

AstonMartin wrote: »

i was always pro legalisation until i seen the effects the head shops had on the 16-25 age group. they weren't even getting a good stoned effect, it was just basically making them hungry and dizzy but they smoked in quantity to the point that it affected a lot of social and work activities. drinking all day in the younger age group is considered a waste of time and with that crucial hangover to keep them in check. pot does not have the same effect to help with the self control aspect.

There were also plenty of people who smoked the formerly legal highs at home while watching TV, like many do with cannabis. That stuff is dirt though. You're right about the fact that cannabis doesn't have any real built-in deterrent, although this just demonstrates that it doesn't have the same short term effects as alcohol. There are plenty of other potentially harmful activities that won't give you a warning before it's a problem. Anyway, even if it did, what's your point? Alcohol, as you said, does have this mechanism. We still have alcoholics.

sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.

I fundamentally disagree with this. People should be able to make their own decisions. Who are you or Enda Kenny to tell me that I'm not able to make decisions that will above all affect me more than anyone else?

If instead of protecting them from themselves you want to help them with the poor decisions they make, I'm all for that. Drug treatment centres, counselling services, information workshops for high risk groups. Do you really think making something illegal is a good way to prevent people from abusing it?

AstonMartin wrote: »

i smoke and socalise a lot. I'm mid 20s and far from a nanny stater.

Youth and an affection for paternalism are by no means mutually exclusive.

there are too many fools who will abuse cannabis if they can get it easier and cheaper.

Do you think it's preferable to leave regulation up to drug dealers, as we are currently doing?

another poster said why punish the minority to protect the majority. i think you would be surprised which side the majority falls into. don't confuse your usual group of friends who have a social smoke with the thousands of clowns who will regularly go to excess.

You're going to have to define what you consider smoking to excess and then show that people who do this are indeed in the majority. Until then you're just asserting this without a good reason.

the country would be full of young ones having a smoke after a few beers and ending up messy paralytics asleep in the corner of the pub. fact!

As opposed to messy paralytics with alcohol poisoning on a trolley in A and E? I don't see a problem with that. Anyway, there's no reason to believe this would happen. Cannabis is very cheap in the Netherlands yet the Dutch have internationally low rates of consumption. Portugal saw a massive decrease in drug use of all forms once they stopped punishing people for it and instead treated those who had problems. This would indicate the exact opposite of what you claim.

If you answer me nothing else, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell me whether or not you believe prohibition of cannabis is a good way to limit its use.

AstonMartin wrote: »

i smoke and socalise a lot. I'm mid 20s and far from a nanny stater.

there are too many fools who will abuse cannabis if they can get it easier and cheaper.

It's a bit selfish you want to deny everybody because their not as cool with drugs as you are?

another poster said why punish the minority to protect the majority. i think you would be surprised which side the majority falls into. don't confuse your usual group of friends who have a social smoke with the thousands of clowns who will regularly go to excess.

the country would be full of young ones having a smoke after a few beers and ending up messy paralytics asleep in the corner of the pub. fact!

That's just the follies of youth, I've been there learned from it and now know when it's time to go home. Your comparing the gang you hang out with to the rest of the country.