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double glazing and external insulation

  • 04-01-2011 01:59AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5


    Can anyone recommend companies that both do double glazed windows and external insulation? I read alot of the threads and am uncertain which companies do both. Anyone recommend the most efficient with value for money?

    I've recently bought a 4 bed bungalow 2,200sq foot which is single glazed with steel windows, draughty doors and solid walls it's costing a fortune to heat!!!! Can't wait for the summer!!!!


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ratem


    Hi RollingRock if you are in the Dublin, Kildare area you can pm me and Ill give you some info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭heinbloed


    You don't aproach a single company in this case, otherwise you'll be ripped-off.
    Contact a civil engineer who would detail what needs to be done and who'll controll the installation and sign for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭CBYR1983


    heinbloed wrote: »
    You don't aproach a single company in this case, otherwise you'll be ripped-off.
    Contact a civil engineer who would detail what needs to be done and who'll controll the installation and sign for it.

    Totally agreed. Maybe you think it's easier to use one company, but they're very different jobs, and they could (i) make a bags of whatever they're not specialised in or (ii) charge you a lot more for the sake of the convenience.

    The main thing is that you put the new Windows out at the edge of the existing walls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    There are companies that do both. I don't see the need for a civil engineer for this at all. Window companies expanding into insulation. I used one but can't remember the name. Post later when I get home.

    I also used two other companies for external insulation and they were the best organized IMHO. Windows were no extra nor the insulation. There wasn't much on the convenience either so all I would say is get the windows done first.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    CBYR1983 wrote: »
    The main thing is that you put the new Windows out at the edge of the existing walls.

    I don't get this. I'm about to get external insulation and double glazing. So you're saying I should get the double glazing first, and then the insulation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭CBYR1983


    dory wrote: »
    I don't get this. I'm about to get external insulation and double glazing. So you're saying I should get the double glazing first, and then the insulation?

    You'll need to discuss with the external insulation contractor. I don't know what adjustments they make to bring out the sills.

    If your windows are not brought out the heat retained in your walls will escape along the external window reveal.

    When I got a quote from an external insulation contractor this "recommendation" was buried in the ts and cs.

    For better plasterwork and airtightness I would have thought windows should move first, but the sill complicates it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭heinbloed


    I don't get this. I'm about to get external insulation and double glazing. So you're saying I should get the double glazing first, and then the insulation?

    First the civil engineer, he/she would detail the work to be done and will hand out a detailed drawing.
    This is important to get the load exactly onto/into the loadbering wall. The window should not rely on the old plaster or the new EWI to hold it's weight.

    Then the windows and doors in.
    And only then the EWI.

    That's how I learned it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭CBYR1983


    Here's extract from the Ts & Cs (they emailed it to me)

      [*]Ventilation
      We recommend that the ventilation to the house be improved to avoid the problems associated with poor ventilation. Increasing the insulation in a house usually results in increased airtightness which can lead to reduced ventilation and potentially unhealthy conditions.
      Poor ventilation can cause condensation and result in
        • Poor indoor air quality
        • Increased humidity
        • Condensation on cold surfaces
        • Mould growth.
        We recommend the installation of a designed ventilation strategy which as a minimum should include humidistat controlled, pressure sensitive wall vents with a humidistat controlled fan extract(s). To ensure this ventilation is effective we would recommend internal doors be undercut to achieve a minimum 10 mm gap between the floor finish and the underside of the door to allow air movement from habitable rooms to the extract fan. If the extract fans are located in the bathrooms then the bathroom doors should be undercut to maintain a 15 mm gap
        Other ventilation systems are available with varying degrees of efficiency and heat recovery and X Ltd would be happy to provide advice on the ventilation options suitable for this house.

          [*]Cold Bridging


          Windows and Doors
          To avoid cold bridging at the window and door openings we recommend the existing window and door frames are moved forward in the walls and refixed in line with the external insulation as per the generic detail above. This avoids cold bridging which can lead to cold internal surfaces, condensation and unhealthy mould growth. Heat loss will be greater due to the cold bridging if this detail is not implemented.
          Eaves Detail
          The external wall insulation needs to continue up the whole of the external wall to form a continuous layer of insulation that meets the roof or attic insulation. This usually involves removing and replacing the eaves soffit to allow the insulation to be fixed above the eaves. If this work is not completed there is a significant cold bridge caused by incomplete insulation. We recommend this work is done to ensure the best results and to avoid the above mentioned problems caused by cold bridging.
          Plinth Detail
          The bottom of the external wall where it meets the ground is susceptible to exposure to water and mechanical damage as a "splash and kick zone". To ensure the edge of the ground floor structure is insulated by the external insulation we recommend an extruded polystyrene rigid insulation board is used to form a protective plinth to the mineral wool external insulation. This plinth is usually a minimum of 150 mm high , the "splash and kick zone", and the insulation is rendered to match the rest of the wall. The plinth is usually 50 mm thinner than the rest of the wall and can be painted a darker colour, as is conventional, so that it doesn’t show splash and scuff marks


        1. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭heinbloed


          Here some links to drawings published by the GDI (the German insulant manufacturer and installer association) how to insulate externally to get the PH certificate

          grey = solid masonry or block wall
          orange = EWI

          For the window sill:

          http://www.gdi.at/phfolder/index.php?page=Massivbau_1_08

          For the lintel:

          http://www.gdi.at/phfolder/index.php?page=Massivbau_1_07

          For the sides:

          http://www.gdi.at/phfolder/index.php?page=Massivbau_1_09

          They recommend the installation of special profiles sealing between frame and insulant ("Abschlussprofil"). This is important.
          As well as the perma-elastic sealant between wall and frames ("Fuge luftdicht verklebt").


        2. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭AMG86


          A check of the Passive House guidelines would be helpful.


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