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Carrying medicinal cannabis may become legal in Ireland!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Surely if that's the case they'll need prescriptions and a place that distributes medicinal cannabis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭ElleEm


    Eventually, but right now they'll just allow people with it on prescriptions from other countries in and out of Ireland with it. It's moving in the right direction anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    I feel some back pain and glaucoma coming on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    as far as i can see, this essentially means that medicinal cannabis is now de facto legal in ireland. however, i'd like to hear informed views on this.

    if the dept of health has been instructed by the dept of justice that legally prescribed medicine including cannabis can be brought into the country - it just means that it's not actually available for distribution here.

    here is an example case: i'm an irish citizen, i travel to the netherlands to see a doctor (or maybe an irish doctor could prescribe it?) and get a prescription for cannabis. i buy my cannabis and can return home unharrassed. residing here, does this not de facto mean that my prescription can be legally delivered to me from an EU country where medical cannabis is available for purchase?

    i may be reading this wrong but it's what it seems like?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    I see good business in supplying dispensaries... I imagine the contracts be handed out to friends and family, though, knowing this place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    RichieC wrote: »
    I see good business in supplying dispensaries... I imagine the contracts be handed out to friends and family, though, knowing this place.

    quite seriously - if medical cannabis was made legal i would be very interested in supplying dispensaries...i have some...eh...experience in this field (no pun intended).


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    ElleEm wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/carrying-cannabis-medicine-to-be-legal-152033.html

    This is good news!

    Mods- can you change the word in the title to "may" instead of "will" please? Thanks.

    Do it yourself - just click beside the thread title on the AH forum and edit away.


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll seriously be discussing this with my Doctor, if it ever comes to pass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭ElleEm


    Jake1 wrote: »
    I'll seriously be discussing this with my Doctor, if it ever comes to pass.

    Me too! I have MS but I don't have the pain and spasticity that most of the medicinal users are prescribed cannabis for. I would just like to know I have the option of using it legally if the time ever comes. It seems to help a lot of people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭harney


    Hmm, I can see an enterprising doctor making a fortune setting up a clinic in the middle of nowhere aka the areas Ryanair lands in Europe :) Nice cheap rents and a steady flow of customers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Can I use my medical card to get a prescription from Holland? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    This is pretty cool, though I'd say it'll be a long time before we are like say California.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    Can I use my medical card to get a prescription from Holland? :D

    Are you not having enough trouble trying to get one in Ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Are you not having enough trouble trying to get one in Ireland?

    It's not possible yet as far as I know :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    Why would it be illegal to carry a medicine cabinet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Humans eh!


    as far as i can see, this essentially means that medicinal cannabis is now de facto legal in ireland. however, i'd like to hear informed views on this.

    if the dept of health has been instructed by the dept of justice that legally prescribed medicine including cannabis can be brought into the country - it just means that it's not actually available for distribution here.

    here is an example case: i'm an irish citizen, i travel to the netherlands to see a doctor (or maybe an irish doctor could prescribe it?) and get a prescription for cannabis. i buy my cannabis and can return home unharrassed. residing here, does this not de facto mean that my prescription can be legally delivered to me from an EU country where medical cannabis is available for purchase?

    Can somebody pleeeease answer this excellent question - any legal experts out there who care about this issue please.
    This could be the crack that brings down the wall. Anyway its a step in the right direction. Two of my friends with MS will benefit greatly if this comes to pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    were getting somewhere with this but this will be 2 expensive heading over to netherlands every month, week, day:D to get your medicine, the government will have 2 issue a license to grow this lovely herb and I'll be first in line to get this license

    As the yanks would say "lets get medicated"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    Fcuk all this "medicinal use" rubbish.

    "It's okay to use cannabis for your back pain, but if you just want to get high then we're sending you to court for a fine and your name printed in the local paper."

    Fcuk that, if someone wants to get stoned then they should be allowed to do so. That's where the argument for legalisation should begin, not pussy-footing around with these medicinal use arguments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    Fcuk all this "medicinal use" rubbish.

    "It's okay to use cannabis for your back pain, but if you just want to get high then we're sending you to court for a fine and your name printed in the local paper."

    Fcuk that, if someone wants to get stoned then they should be allowed to do so. That's where the argument for legalisation should begin, not pussy-footing around with these medicinal use arguments.

    Cannabis and basically anything that isnt alcohol or a prescription drug already have too much stigma attached to them by the majority, who are mostly ignorant. This is a step in the right direction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    Fcuk all this "medicinal use" rubbish.

    "It's okay to use cannabis for your back pain, but if you just want to get high then we're sending you to court for a fine and your name printed in the local paper."

    Fcuk that, if someone wants to get stoned then they should be allowed to do so. That's where the argument for legalisation should begin, not pussy-footing around with these medicinal use arguments.

    This sort of attitude does huge damage to the case for medicinal cannabis. Legalisation and medicinal use are two distinct endpoints, the latter being harmed by association with the former.

    Opiates and amphetamine derivatives are available on prescription, doesn't mean they're any closer to being legalised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    Cannabis isn't great IMO, but it should be legal and regulated like alcohol. It would generate revenue and quickly lose its ridiculous cool factor which way surpasses its actual buzz. If I can go into a shop and buy cancer causing addictive nicotine (which I recently managed to quit) and liver destroying aggression and stupidity inducing alcohol, I should be able to buy this stupid weed stuff that makes me dopey and mellow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Fcuk all this "medicinal use" rubbish.

    "It's okay to use cannabis for your back pain, but if you just want to get high then we're sending you to court for a fine and your name printed in the local paper."

    Fcuk that, if someone wants to get stoned then they should be allowed to do so. That's where the argument for legalisation should begin, not pussy-footing around with these medicinal use arguments.
    Medicinal use is not a stepping stone towards legalisation.

    There are plenty of drugs in Ireland that are cleared for medicinal use but would never be allowed for sale without a prescription.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    penguin88 wrote: »
    This sort of attitude does huge damage to the case for medicinal cannabis. Legalisation and medicinal use are two distinct endpoints, the latter being harmed by association with the former.
    Well that's sort of my point in a way, there shouldn't be any distinctions made between what you want to use it for, whether it's for pain or for just relaxing and getting stoned. The latter should not harm the former's case. There shouldn't an attitude of "oh we better not legalise it for medicinal use because some people just like to get high off the stuff." It would be like saying that something like valium should be illegal because some people take valium for the buzz.
    Medicinal use is not a stepping stone towards legalisation.
    I never said it was. My argument is the opposite: no medicinal use stepping stones, just fully legalise it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    I suppose this is a small step in the right direction but the government really has to look at and consider legalising cannabis for recreational use too. I cant understand how they may allow it for medical usage and not for recreational use. There would be a huge market for recreational cannabis. Especially now that Ireland is entering in a very long, deep, black depression. Its obvious the government wants us to be depressed slaves for the banks and europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    Well that's sort of my point in a way, there shouldn't be any distinctions made between what you want to use it for, whether it's for pain or for just relaxing and getting stoned. The latter should not harm the former's case. There shouldn't an attitude of "oh we better not legalise it for medicinal use because some people just like to get high off the stuff." It would be like saying that something like valium should be illegal because some people take valium for the buzz.


    I never said it was. My argument is the opposite: no medicinal use stepping stones, just fully legalise it.

    You have missed my point entirely. I believe there should be a very clear distinction between what it's used for. Do you seriously think using it to treat a potentially very debilitating condition such as MS is on par with someone using it recreationally to get a good buzz? The mind boggles...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    its ridiculous cool factor which way surpasses its actual buzz.

    You're doing it wrong.




    In before flutts tired "John q taxpayer" bull****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    RichieC wrote: »
    I see good business in supplying dispensaries... I imagine the contracts be handed out to friends and family, though, knowing this place.
    Huge money. All those places in California are making an absolute mint from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭EGriff


    That article isn't about legalising medicinal cannabis, it's about cannabis medicine. This stuff called sativex, made from cannabis by some pharmaceutical company.

    Ridiculous if you ask me, that company is gonna make an absolute mint from people who could grow it themselves for a fraction of the cost if the law allowed it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Medicinal use is not a stepping stone towards legalisation.

    There are plenty of drugs in Ireland that are cleared for medicinal use but would never be allowed for sale without a prescription.

    Might be worth reading this news from last week.
    Ontario court strikes down Canada’s pot laws


    An Ontario court has struck down Canada’s laws against possessing and growing cannabis as part of a ruling that found the country’s medicinal marijuana program is failing to provide access to the drug for those who need it.

    Smoking up, however, is not legal just yet: the federal government has three months to launch an appeal or change its regulations to fix the problems identified by the court.

    Mr. Justice Donald Taliano of the Ontario Superior Court struck down the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations, arguing they aren’t doing enough to ensure patients can obtain the necessary approvals to use the drug. Simultaneously, he ruled two sections of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act – those that prohibit simple possession and cultivating marijuana – are unconstitutional, since they can be used to criminally charge medicinal users who haven’t been able to obtain such approval.

    The ruling means the government must either improve its system for licensing medicinal marijuana patients within 90 days, or it will become legal to use or grow the drug for any purpose. The government can, however, buy itself more time by appealing the ruling.

    The government office handling the case could not be immediately reached for comment on what it planned to do.

    The ruling is not the first time the courts have come to the assistance of those who use cannabis to alleviate their illnesses. A 2000 Ontario Court of Appeal ruling compelled the government to create the medicinal marijuana program or have its prohibitions against cannabis thrown out altogether. Other court rulings have pointed to specific problems with the medicinal marijuana rules.

    This, however, is the first time a court has thrown the whole thing out, said Jacob Hunter, policy director with the Vancouver-based Beyond Prohibition Foundation. Even though the current ruling applies only to Ontario, he said it would have ramifications across the country.

    “We know historically that decisions in Ontario have had an effect nationally, especially on this issue,” said Mr. Hunter, who is also a licensed medicinal marijuana user.

    The court decision hinged on the difficulty medicinal users have in finding a doctor willing to sign the necessary paperwork. The problem, Judge Taliano ruled, is that the government requires patients to obtain the approval of a doctor to take marijuana legally but does not give physicians adequate training or fund sufficient clinical trials of the drug. As a result, much of the medical community refuses to approve its use.

    “Rather than promote health – the regulations have the opposite effect. Rather than promote effective drug control – the regulations drive the critically ill to the black market,” he wrote. “Surely, the right to choose belongs to the patient, not to government that has failed to create the environment for better research into the drug’s effectiveness and harmful qualities.”

    The case was brought forward by Matthew Mernagh, a 37-year-old man from St. Catharines, Ont., who couldn’t find a doctor to approve his use of marijuana to relieve the symptoms of several illnesses, including fibromyalgia and scoliosis. He was charged with cultivating his own cannabis, charges that were also staid by Judge Taliano.

    Several other medicinal users of the drug testified they faced similar problems, and that Health Canada would take months to process their applications.

    Judge Taliano agreed with Mr. Mernagh’s argument that criminally charging patients who had to resort to illegally buying cannabis amounted to a violation of their Charter right to liberty.

    Proponents of medicinal marijuana have long argued that Health Canada’s system is flawed and that the roughly 10,000 people approved to use the drug represent only a tiny fraction of those who should qualify for the program.

    “For the last nine years, patients have been complaining about the ineffectiveness of the medicinal marijuana program,” said Ron Marzel, a Toronto lawyer who has represented medicinal marijuana clients. “This judge finally accepted those concerns.”

    By ADRIAN MORROW


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