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New York Serial Killer Could Be Versed in Poilce Techniques

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭hal9000


    Hookah wrote: »
    He's probably been watching CSI.

    So, what? he's learn't how to take off sunglasses and bad puns


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Il admit to having a morbid fascination with this case.
    Some towns and counties have cancer clusters. Others have high rates of traffic fatalities or foreclosures. In New York, Long Island has been grappling with its own disturbing demographic: Three serial killers who targeted the same type of victims have operated in the same tidy suburbs in the span of 22 years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/weekinreview/10killer.html?scp=1&sq=serial%20killer&st=cse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Another body found according to Newstalk:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Dick Burns


    i think hes sitting beside me here at work :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Does america produce a far higher proportion of serial killers per head of population or is it just media that makes it seem that way?

    They seems to have produced some of the most notorious killers.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    it could be det sgt deegan in fair city:(:D

    Dear Vampire of Kilmainham,

    For the love of Christ, please learn to use the Multiquote button (or just take two minutes and say everything you want to say in one post).

    Thanks
    The internet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭EL_Loco


    Sad thing is they'll only get caught if they keep doing it, and making phone calls. If they decided to stop for a few years any pattern the police had to go on or chance of catching them would dry up.

    so on one hand if they stop good, but they're still out there, if they don't, not good but ups the chances of getting caught.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    The killer, Wragge pointed out, has been very meticulous.

    "I think he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't leave any kind of remnants of himself like cigarette butts or soda cans," Kobilinksy explained, "anything that might give away his identification through fingerprints or DNA. He is definitely thinking about what he's doing. He's careful."

    The reported calls, Kobilinsky admits, "surprised me. Because we hadn't heard anything about taunting. There are serial killers that taunt the police, by expressing to the police, 'I'm smarter than you are. I'm one step ahead of you.' This is the first time we're hearing about taunting of family members. This fellow really has some psychological problems and he's trying to send a message to the family. It's degrading, basically.

    "It sounds to me," Kobilinsky continued, "like he's a psychopath. He's fantasizing. Some of it has to do with sex. But, I think the real thrill that he gets is in the kill. You know, he fantasizes. He captures a woman through craigslist. That's the mechanism that he attracts these women. And then kills them someplace where he's very comfortable, and then deposits the body in a place that's quite desolate."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/11/earlyshow/main20052698.shtml


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Chickaroo


    Males make up the vast majority of serial killers (95% or so) so it probably is a he using the law of averages. Interestingly, the most prolific known murderer in history was female however. Elizabeth Bathory was estimated to have killed 600 people in the 1600's :eek:

    Was anyone else reading that in the voice of the geeky fella (Spencer) out of Criminal Minds??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Chickaroo wrote: »
    Was anyone else reading that in the voice of the geeky fella (Spencer) out of Criminal Minds??

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Does america produce a far higher proportion of serial killers per head of population or is it just media that makes it seem that way?

    They seems to have produced some of the most notorious killers.

    Yes most are in the states, you can see why really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Does america produce a far higher proportion of serial killers per head of population or is it just media that makes it seem that way?

    They seems to have produced some of the most notorious killers.

    Yeah it does, apparently for one reason, its sheer geographic size. If someone is killed in New York the murderer could be Chicago in a day which is the equivalent of fleeing from here to Rome or something. It also has vast amounts of wilderness for hiding bodies compared to Europe for example. Only 50% of US murders are solved which is scarily high.

    On the other hand, the way serial killings are catalogued is very different in other countries. For example the Soviet Union refused to accept the concept of a serial kilelr even existed so maybe we're not really comparing like with like.
    Chickaroo wrote: »
    Was anyone else reading that in the voice of the geeky fella (Spencer) out of Criminal Minds??

    :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Does america produce a far higher proportion of serial killers per head of population or is it just media that makes it seem that way?

    They seems to have produced some of the most notorious killers.

    I think Russia or South Africa have higher levels of serial killers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    So a guy makes some calls from public areas rather than his own bedroom. Suddenly he's a fcuking genius well schooled in police techniques, give me a break for ffs!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    The police found a skull as well as a bag containing what one law enforcement official said appeared to be “upper and lower extremities.” They were found two or three miles apart; the authorities said they had not determined if the remains came from more than one victim.
    Both finds were made off the northern edge of Ocean Parkway, as were the discoveries of the eight bodies in Suffolk County. The first four of those bodies were found near Gilgo Beach in December; the authorities said they were of female prostitutes in their 20s who had been missing since as long ago as 2007.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/nyregion/12bodies.html?ref=nyregion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    Yeah it does, apparently for one reason, its sheer geographic size. If someone is killed in New York the murderer could be Chicago in a day which is the equivalent of fleeing from here to Rome or something. It also has vast amounts of wilderness for hiding bodies compared to Europe for example. Only 50% of US murders are solved which is scarily high.
    On the other hand, the way serial killings are catalogued is very different in other countries. For example the Soviet Union refused to accept the concept of a serial kilelr even existed so maybe we're not really comparing like with like.



    :o

    that is scary.also a lot of the murdered are prostitutes, so the murderer has plenty of time to get away because sadly most of the time no one is going to miss a prostitute or report her missing.
    russia had that belief but it cost them dearly.50 people murdered by one guy and they refused to believe a serial killer did it.
    as told in the brilliant movie

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112681/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    that is scary.also a lot of the murdered are prostitutes, so the murderer has plenty of time to get away because sadly most of the time no one is going to miss a prostitute or report her missing.
    russia had that belief but it cost them dearly.50 people murdered by one guy and they refused to believe a serial killer did it.
    as told in the brilliant movie

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112681/

    That guy was plain scary.

    Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo (Russian: Андрей Романович Чикатило, Ukrainian: Андрій Романович Чикатило, Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo; October 16, 1936 – February 14, 1994) was a Ukrainian-born Soviet serial killer, nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov, The Red Ripper or The Rostov Ripper who committed the murders of a minimum of 52 women and children between 1978 and 1990. He was convicted of 52 murders in October 1992 (although he did confess to a total of 56 murders and was tried for 53 of these killings) and was subsequently executed for the murders for which he was convicted in February, 1994.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    "The high-resolution technology should be able to provide a detailed representation of the area and will extend through Nassau County," he said.
    "We're hoping the technology will help indentify skeletal remains that may still be out there."
    The aerial photography is expected to begin this week and is in addition to the ongoing searches by police dive teams and helicopters.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Long-Island-Serial-Killer-Suffolk-County-Police-Seek-More-Help-From-FBI-As-Sea-Search-Begins/Article/201104215972010?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15972010_Video_Long_Island_Serial_Killer%3A_Suffolk_County_Police_Seek_More_Help_From_FBI_As_Sea_Search_Begins


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    New York: Long Island murders work of four killers, detectives say

    Bodies found on Gilgo beach indicate secluded shoreline has been used as a dumping ground for human remains.

    Detectives investigating the discovery of eight bodies along a beach on Long Island are working on the presumption that as many as four separate killers may have been involved.

    The Suffolk County district attorney, Thomas Spota, revealed that the eight deaths appeared to divide into four seemingly unrelated groups. His disclosure raises the bewildering prospect that a stretch of secluded shoreline used by 6 million beachgoers each summer has been used as a dumping ground for human remains.

    Spota said many of the victims had yet to be identified and the precise nature of their killing was not yet known. "But what we do know for certain and what is now very clear is that the area in and around Gilgo beach has been used to discard human remains for some period of time," he said. "As distasteful and disturbing as that is, there is no evidence that all these remains are those of a single killer."

    The investigation has involved hundreds of officers from Long Island and New York. Four bodies found in December wrapped in hessian were those of women in their 20s who had worked as prostitutes and picked up clients through Craigslist. Police are convinced that all four were the victims of a serial killer, but can find no evidence that the murders were related in any way to the other cases.

    The other four bodies or parts of bodies were discovered about a mile away last month. Police believe these fall under three separate groups.

    Two of the four remains were the head and hands of women. One of the victims has been identified as Jessica Taylor, 20, who worked as prostitute in Washington and New York; the other is being referred to as Jane Doe no 6. Detectives have matched the parts to torsos found in 2000 and 2003 respectively in Manorville, about 45 miles east of Gilgo beach.

    The nature of their dismemberment, and the proximity of the remains in two locations, suggests to police that these killings were related. They have reopened two other cold cases, dating from 1997 and 2007, in which a similar form of dismemberment took place, on the assumption that another serial killer might have been at work.

    The third, potentially separate discovery was of an Asian man, referred to as John Doe no 8, who met a "violent" death. His body was found close to that of the dismembered women, but there is no evidence to connect them.

    The fourth body was of a toddler, aged between 18 and 24 months, probably a girl, wrapped in a blanket. The body displayed no signs of trauma and police have not yet declared it a murder case.

    Detectives have been struck by the difference in technique of the disposal of the child and the dismembered women.

    "It does not make sense to us that the person would go to such great lengths to prevent Jane Doe no 6 from being identified, then lay the body of a related toddler so close by. There is no evidence at all of any attempt to conceal the identity of the child," Spota said.

    Joseph Pollini, a criminologist at John Jay College in New York and a former New York homicide detective, said the possibility that the shoreline had been used as a dumping ground for human remains would fit the secluded nature of the area.

    "This is the optimal place to dump a body," he said. "There are no cameras or surveillance of any kind and you can see people coming in either direction along the long straight road."

    guardian.co.uk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    ah ok, its not a serial killer its just the mafia then..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    The four hookers seem to be.
    The investigation has involved hundreds of officers from Long Island and New York. Four bodies found in December wrapped in hessian were those of women in their 20s who had worked as prostitutes and picked up clients through Craigslist. Police are convinced that all four were the victims of a serial killer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    By saying it's the work of 4 killers they are probably trying to piss the killer off..... Not giving him credit for the murders in the hope that he's going to want it and make a mistake in order to get caught.
    Dont they say, in the end, they all want to be caught for the notoriety?

    <3 Criminal minds :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Two NYPD cops are being eyed in the Long Island serial slayings after investigators learned they got into trouble for hiring prostitutes while working for the department, according to sources familiar with the probe.


    One cop was forced out of the job in the 1990s when his supervisors learned he spent time pursuing hookers and paying street walkers and down-and-out women for sex while he was supposed to be on patrol.
    An internal investigation led to his resigning under pressure, one source said.
    The other officer still works for the NYPD but was stripped of his gun and badge years ago because he allegedly assaulted a prostitute and got arrested during a sting operation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Back in the news today.
    New York police have said just one killer could be responsible for the deaths of 10 people whose remains were found on Long Island.

    Eight women, one toddler and a man wearing women's clothing have been discovered near a remote stretch of beaches, some dismembered.


    Five of the women have been confirmed as prostitutes who used the website Craigslist, while the toddler is believed to be linked to one of the women.

    http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16121490


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    Jesus, I'm half thinking of moving to New York at some point, possibly next year. I might not if this maniac is not caught!!!!!

    The government are not doing enough about this.


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