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New Patronage-what do you think?

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  • #32
    crucamim
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    E.T. wrote: »

    "It matters very much when you're on a thread about Religion, and you're talking about a completely separate subject, which has nothing to do with Religious education."

    Sorry, I did not know that the thread was about Religion. I thought that the thread was about control of schools - until you started attacking segregation by religion.

    "To address the end of your point - sex education doesn't have anything to do with religion in schools. RSE is part of our national curriculum and is taught in ALL schools. Again, absolutely nothing to do with the religious status of the school."

    Are you are trying to convince me that devout Catholics would agree to their teenage children being taught how to fit condoms on to the appropriate parts of plastic models?

    "This is more an example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing - if you're going to comment on such a serious issue, it would be worth reading up on it and familiarising yourself with it first instead of posting completely inaccurate points."

    What is inaccurate about any of the points which I made?


  • #33
    axer
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    E.T. wrote: »
    Schools actually pay the CPSMA (Catholic Primary Schools Management Association) at this stage!

    "CATHOLIC primary schools are furious after being hit with a new €2m-per-year demand for money from the church."
    That effectively is looking for 2m from the government in a roundabout way. Crazy.

    crucamim wrote: »
    What a lucky parish.
    So you are saying other parishes do fund the schools?


  • #34
    crucamim
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    axer wrote: »

    So you are saying other parishes do fund the schools?

    Yes. Catholic parishes, and Church of Ireland parishes, partly fund the parochial school.

    That is also the case in England and Wales. Even though the Church of England is a central part of the British State, its schools receive less public funding than Catholic schools in Northern Ireland which, since 1992, have been receiving 100% State funding.


  • #35
    axer
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    crucamim wrote: »
    Yes. Catholic parishes, and Church of Ireland parishes, partly fund the parochial school.
    In Ireland? I thought that schools were funded by the capitation grants and other lump sum payments e.g. funds for ancilliary services such as secretarys etc. Any shortfall after this is usually picked up by fundraising by parents. I have never heard of funds from the church getting redirected to fund schools but I am interested to hear some figures. have you any more information about how much they fund and which schools receive funding? or how do you know they are being funded?


  • #36
    crucamim
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    axer wrote: »

    "In Ireland? I thought that schools were funded by the capitation grants and other lump sum payments e.g. funds for ancilliary services such as secretarys etc. Any shortfall after this is usually picked up by fundraising by parents. I have never heard of funds from the church getting redirected to fund schools but I am interested to hear some figures. have you any more information about how much they fund and which schools receive funding? or how do you know they are being funded?

    The situation varies from parish to parish. Often, the fund raising takes the form of direct subscriptions to the parish - usually collected at Sunday mass. This is often supplemented by fund-raising activities organised by the parish. It is true that many of the parishioners, who organise such activities, will be parents of pupils while others will be merely energetic parishioners.

    I am not aware of any funds being provided by a diocese to fund the building of a school.


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  • #37
    E.T.
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    crucamim wrote: »
    Are you are trying to convince me that devout Catholics would agree to their teenage children being taught how to fit condoms on to the appropriate parts of plastic models?

    What is inaccurate about any of the points which I made?

    Your points about sexual education are inaccurate and misleading in the context of this discussion. I've detailed above how anything you're describing is content of the RSE (Relationship and Sexuality Education) programme, which is part of a subject called SPHE (Social, Personal and Health Education). ie it is not part of any Religious Education programme.

    You keep referring to things which may be the content of the RSE programme at Secondary level, certainly not content at Primary level. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs or the religious ethos of a school in the context of education. Again, this has nothing to do with any type of patronage. SPHE (including RSE) is not an optional subject, it's part of the national curriculum in all schools, of any ethos.


  • #38
    crucamim
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    E.T. wrote: »

    "Your points about sexual education are inaccurate and misleading in the context of this discussion."

    That comment is possibly true in the context of the thread title. But it is very untrue in the context of your objection to education being segregated on grounds of religious belief.

    "You keep referring to things which may be the content of the RSE programme at Secondary level"

    Indeed I do. What could be wrong with that? If Catholics are to be enticed into schools not controlled by their church, there will have to be guarantees, not just about what the curriculum is now, but also against things which might later be added to the curriculum.

    In my opinion it will not be possible for any school to meet the needs of Catholics and also the needs of non-Catholics so I think that segregation should continue and should be expanded. Non-Catholics need to be provided with an alternative to Catholic schools. That is needed in the interests of Catholics in order to allow Catholic schools to be truly Catholics and also in the interests of non-Catholics in order to allow their children to be educated uncontaminated (as many of them see it) by Catholicism.


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