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"Lock ins" in pubs and nightclubs - legal or grey area?

  • 03-04-2011 06:05AM
    #1
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭


    Just wondering how the system works with regard to "lock ins"?
    I've always been curious how they get around the law. The name "lock in" implies that you can't leave until it's properly over, so is there some law that it's ok to let people stay after closing as long as they actually stay until the next morning? Or are they just sneakily ignoring the licensing regulations?

    NOTE: I have nothing whatsoever against them, love them myself. Just curious as to how they get away with it under what I've always considered the most draconian licensing laws ever...


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  • #2
    cloneslad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭cloneslad


    They lock the door to stop anyone outside from getting in. If they left the door open then the fine members of the law enforcement would know the place was still open and they would call in and have a pint themselves while on duty kick everyone out and bring the bar up to court for trading after hours.


  • #3
    User Friendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭User Friendly


    they dont get away with it as you put it.

    publicans will get prosecuted if found to have people drinking on their premises after closing time. publicans are not allowed to trade/take money after closing time. there is no grey area from what i see.


  • #4
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    Legal to give drink to someone after hours... Illegal to sell it.
    For that reason most lock ins will involve taking the money but not ringing it into the tills until the following day.


  • #5
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    piss off ya bastard


  • #6
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    piss off ya bastard

    What?


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  • #7
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    pubs should be allowed to close whenever they like


  • #8
    User Friendly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭User Friendly


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    piss off ya bastard
    You're nice:rolleyes:


  • #9
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    pubs should be allowed to close whenever they like

    Including Good Friday...


  • #10
    TheUsual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭TheUsual


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    piss off ya bastard

    hahahha


  • #11
    robinph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Including Good Friday...

    Yep.


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  • #12
    R0ot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Including Good Friday...


    Yes! Also on Christmas Day.

    Lock ins are illegal but are usually for the locals/garda that stay late.


  • #13
    Kimono-Girl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Kimono-Girl


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Legal to give drink to someone after hours... Illegal to sell it.
    For that reason most lock ins will involve taking the money but not ringing it into the tills until the following day.


    really? when i went to a few lock in's in my drunker years in my favourate pub we never paid for drink, in fact some of the security and staff would sit down with the owner and us and have a few beers no money exchanged i think it was a perk of the job at the time because i heard they stopped it two years ago, the staff would also take some beers home with them if they were invited to a house party after work.


  • #14
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I doubt it's not illegal to have a drink on premises after hours as in most places the staff have a few?


  • #15
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    If the gardai catch you its fooked city, unless they're there for a drink themselves.... which is known to happen!


  • #16
    kaltz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭kaltz


    Was getting a few late ones one sunday when the cops came in as one of the barmen was walking across the floor with a tray of pints. Quick as a flash he says "isn't it a shame what some people leave behind" turned on his heels and threw the pints down the sink. Whole place, cops and all, burst out laughing.


  • #17
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    I've been at lock ins where the Peelers arrived and took names and poured drink down the sink and charged the Bar owner.... But I've been at more where they turned up and said finish up, they'd be back in 30 mins to make sure we were all heading home.


  • #18
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    kaltz wrote: »
    Was getting a few late ones one sunday when the cops came in as one of the barmen was walking across the floor with a tray of pints. Quick as a flash he says "isn't it a shame what some people leave behind" turned on his heels and threw the pints down the sink. Whole place, cops and all, burst out laughing.

    Hahaha....I was at one a few weeks back and the Gards came in. The barman said "Thank **** you're here...I've been trying to shift them for the last hour"
    The Gard laughed and said "Yeah, what about these?" pointing to about 8 or 9 pints of Guinness along the top of the tap counter waiting to be topped off.


  • #19
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    I've been at lock ins where the Peelers arrived and took names and poured drink down the sink and charged the Bar owner....

    Wow, you must be pretty old if you were even drinking back in Sir Robert Peel's day?


  • #20
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    stovelid wrote: »
    Wow, you must be pretty old if you were even drinking back in Sir Robert Peel's day?

    Quite a common name for the fuzz in the North still.... :)


  • #21
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    the most draconian licensing laws ever...
    I take it youve never been to Iran ?


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  • #22
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Seen lock-in's a few times.
    The clever ones behind the bar take the money for the drink but don't ring it up on the till.
    (If they did, the time and date would be recorded electronically - not good for a court case if your caught).
    They stick the money in a pint glass/box under the counter with a note of what was ordered - till the following time of officially opening again.

    If a judge was to check some till receipts, he would see that some days a bars best business was within ten minutes of an opening time! :pac:


  • #23
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Quite a common name for the fuzz in the North still.... :)

    I know. Just messing. :)


  • #24
    TheUsual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭TheUsual


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    I take it youve never been to NI ?

    No sorry I enjoy a tipple after my dinner at 11pm.


  • #25
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,037 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    If there was a bar in Mountjoy, would there always be a lock in?


  • #26
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    If there was a bar in Mountjoy, would there always be a lock in?

    Here's your coat... Now GET OUT!


  • #27
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,037 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Here's your coat... Now GET OUT!

    I would love to get out. Smuggling this phone, the NTL modem and the router in was one thing...now need an escape plan.


  • #28
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    I would love to get out. Smuggling this phone, the NTL modem and the router in was one thing...now need an escape plan.

    It's how you smuggled them in that worries me !


  • #29
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,037 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    hondasam wrote: »
    It's how you smuggled them in that worries me !

    Jo Brand.


  • #30
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    Jo Brand.

    pity the person that was doing that search :pac:


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  • #31
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Lock in's don't happen.
    The bar manager cordially invites any of his faithful friends and companions who happen to in the public house at the time of closing for a few social drinks in his gaff. his friends are grateful for this show of hospitality and donate some monetary credits to his health!


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