Thank you Al Gore, I think I hate you!

Offy · 29-03-2011 09:28PM #1

Is it fair to blame Al Gore for the price of motoring? In his documentary he claimed that global warming is a result of the CO2 content in ozone and the more CO2 that is in the ozone means the more global warming will occur. According to Professor Richard Lindzen it’s the opposite way around. The more the globe warms up the more CO2 the oceans release. Yet the tax on my car is defined by its CO2 emissions. I pay nearly €900 per year because of this.

So who has it right and who has it wrong?

Richard Lindzen's scientific stance on climate change and anthropogenic global warming is that the earth goes through natural periods of global warming and cooling.
According to Dr. Lindzen, the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are problematic and limited because they are based on computer models which Lindzen says are "generally recognized as experimental tools whose relation to the real world is questionable."
Furthermore, Lindzen feels that the issue of global warming is completely political, and that policy makers and the media not only manipulate science but also force scientists to produce work that supports a particular agenda.

http://www.desmogblog.com/richard-lindzen

RichieC · 29-03-2011 09:30PM

Hmm... is it C02 in the Ozone? not sure about that.

Senna · 29-03-2011 09:30PM

You dont need to look that far away, the greens have added the most cost increases to motoring in the last few years.

biko · 29-03-2011 09:31PM

Cue global warming debate... lovely

Offy · 29-03-2011 09:32PM

RichieC wrote: »

Hmm... is it C02 in the Ozone? not sure about that.

Wherever it is, I dont really care where it is. I just want to know who has it right!

RichieC · 29-03-2011 09:33PM

biko wrote: »

Cue global warming debate... lovely

The debate is over actually, just a few stragglers who are buying the oil industries propaganda and of course those that profit directly from it.... the same people would have been defending Asbestos and lead in paint.

Captain Darling · 29-03-2011 09:34PM

I think Gore is super serial.

Deus Ex Machina · 29-03-2011 09:43PM

Al Gore will have to wait I'm afraid, I'm still stuck hating Dick Cheney.

gbee · 29-03-2011 09:43PM

This post is like someone waking up and asking what the 60s was like?

Alter-Ego · 29-03-2011 09:46PM

Offy wrote: »

Is it fair to blame Al Gore for the price of motoring? In his documentary he claimed that global warming is a result of the CO2 content in ozone and the more CO2 that is in the ozone means the more global warming will occur. According to Professor Richard Lindzen it’s the opposite way around. The more the globe warms up the more CO2 the oceans release. Yet the tax on my car is defined by its CO2 emissions. I pay nearly €900 per year because of this.

So who has it right and who has it wrong?

http://www.desmogblog.com/richard-lindzen

Pipe down and buy a Prius. :pac:

Sarn · 29-03-2011 09:46PM

No. Blame our government for the tax, duties etc. CO2 emissions being linked to car tax was just a smoke screen to get more cash out of us.

RichieC · 29-03-2011 09:48PM

Alter-Ego wrote: »

Pipe down and buy a Prius. :pac:

These fking things are half the problem... they give absolutely fk all savings, you average mechanic will look at you and say "que" when you arrive in and tell him it's a hybrid, so you end up spending more than if you just bought a nice MPG normal car.

I swear these fking things were released just to give green a bad name :mad:

gbee · 29-03-2011 09:50PM

RichieC wrote: »

just to give green a bad name :mad:

no, I contend they had a bad name long before the car arrived.

jimthemental · 29-03-2011 10:00PM

gbee wrote: »

no, I contend they had a bad name long before the car arrived.

Ya I remember that, wasn't "dirty hippies" what they were called?

Mike 1972 · 29-03-2011 10:02PM

Offy wrote: »

Is it fair to blame Al Gore

Al Gore didnt invent climate change he just made a film about it

Offy wrote: »

Yet the tax on my car is defined by its CO2 emissions. I pay nearly €900 per year because of this

Smaller cars are available

RichieC · 29-03-2011 10:09PM

gbee wrote: »

no, I contend they had a bad name long before the car arrived.

I'm actually talking about green technology specifically.

I'm a humourless Vulcan on this subject.

29-03-2011 10:16PM

Jesus Tittyfcuking Christ.

I hate it when people mix up the issues of ozone depletion and global warming.

Ozone depletion was the result of CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) reacting with and destroying ozone (O3) in the upper atmosphere. As ozone absorbs UV radiation from the sun, its depletion was hazardous to life on earth. With the worldwide ban on CFCs the problem has mostly subsided.

Global warming refers to the mechanism whereby increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, by virtue of the fact that CO2 reflects infrared radiation from the earth, increase atmospheric temperature.

If people are going to argue against global warming they could at least learn the most basic facts about it.

OP may as well have said "I hate this whole wobal glarming thing".

29-03-2011 10:21PM

Christ, just finished reading the OP. The theory he was trying to refer to by Prof Lindzen was that as the concentration of CO2 rises, the ocean would absorb more of it. However this would increase the acidity of the ocean, possibly to the point where calcium carbonate would dissolve, which would have catastrophic effects on the maritime food chain.

Anyhoo, the moral of the story here is that what the OP doesn't know about climate science could fill several libraries.

Turtyturd · 29-03-2011 10:21PM

Fianna Fail really missed out on an opportunity to tax farmers 900 euro a year per cow.

Bloody Nipples · 29-03-2011 10:29PM

Ha, AH is like a runaway train when these inflammatory topics come up.

ressem · 29-03-2011 10:33PM

Offy wrote: »

Is it fair to blame Al Gore for the price of motoring? In his documentary he claimed that global warming is a result of the CO2 content in ozone and the more CO2 that is in the ozone means the more global warming will occur. According to Professor Richard Lindzen it’s the opposite way around. The more the globe warms up the more CO2 the oceans release. Yet the tax on my car is defined by its CO2 emissions. I pay nearly €900 per year because of this.

So who has it right and who has it wrong?

Ummm... you? As penance go back and watch the film again.
It's each of CO2, water vapour, methane, ozone, nitrous oxide that are greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
The tax on how much water you breath out is in the supplementary April '11 budget.

RayM · 29-03-2011 10:37PM

Offy wrote: »

Yet the tax on my car is defined by its CO2 emissions. I pay nearly €900 per year because of this.

Oh, boo-hoo.

It seems from your post that (like the vast majority of climate change deniers) you're a total ignoramus whose entire opinion on this topic revolves solely around the fact that he doesn't like having to pay higher tax for the privilege of swanning around in some fuel-guzzling twatmobile.

ScumLord · 29-03-2011 10:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Tittyfcuking Christ.

I hate it when people mix up the issues of ozone depletion and global warming.

Ozone depletion was the result of CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) reacting with and destroying ozone (O3) in the upper atmosphere. As ozone absorbs UV radiation from the sun, its depletion was hazardous to life on earth. With the worldwide ban on CFCs the problem has mostly subsided.

Global warming refers to the mechanism whereby increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere, by virtue of the fact that CO2 reflects infrared radiation from the earth, increase atmospheric temperature.

If people are going to argue against global warming they could at least learn the most basic facts about it.

OP may as well have said "I hate this whole wobal glarming thing".

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ, just finished reading the OP. The theory he was trying to refer to by Prof Lindzen was that as the concentration of CO2 rises, the ocean would absorb more of it. However this would increase the acidity of the ocean, possibly to the point where calcium carbonate would dissolve, which would have catastrophic effects on the maritime food chain.

Anyhoo, the moral of the story here is that what the OP doesn't know about climate science could fill several libraries.

And it took you 5 minutes?

RichieC · 29-03-2011 10:38PM

Nobody would listen to me if I started trying to posit theory's on Quantum electrodynamics, and you know why? I don't have a fking doctorate in that field.

Guess what... most of the "scientists" that are debunking Climate science aren't fking Climate scientists either. and how many are taking money off parties of interest that actually are?

seriously... read up on this sh*te, do your own research.

this is, to take a phrase from the internets, serious business.

I also agree though, that governments are using the research to scrounge more and more money from their citizens, but they are two totally different issues in my mind.

bleg · 29-03-2011 10:44PM

Senna wrote: »

You dont need to look that far away, the greens have added the most cost increases to motoring in the last few years.

Not true. The carbon tax adds a lot less than 10c to the price of petrol. The vast majority is ordinary excise duty and vat.

29-03-2011 10:45PM

ScumLord wrote: »

And it took you 5 minutes?

I read the first sentence, which had CO2 and ozone next to each other. That needed instant correcting, and I assumed that one huge, fundamental error was enough for any one post to contain so went about explaing the difference for anyone that might like to know.

I later returned to read the rest of the OP to find another glaring factual inaccuracy, which I felt merited correction.

That and I'm a really slow reader.:)

leahyl · 29-03-2011 10:46PM

Captain Darling wrote: »

I think Gore is super serial.

EXCELSIOR!! I am SUPER serial!!

shadowninty · 29-03-2011 10:54PM

you have to tax something
better fossil fuel and fags than income, no?

RichieC · 29-03-2011 10:54PM

Global warming is also kind of a misnomer too, a bit like the "big bang" (was neither big nor a bang)... what it means in reality is more and more extremes from the seasons, colder winters, hotter summers, more storms and rising oceans. it baffles me that people feel they can risk our future as a species just to maintain our current and obviously untenable situation.

I understand there's a lot of folk that could give a christ how our children and their children will live, but the fact that it's actually a fking policy of the one country that uses TWICE the amount of oil per head of even a rather decadent country like our own... I find it sad and confusing..

It's also baffling that the loudest pricks in (US)America for censorship and "thinking of the children" are also statistically the least bothered about the state of our environment.

Ironing... as they say

zenno · 29-03-2011 11:03PM

RayM wrote: »

the fact that he doesn't like having to pay higher tax for the privilege of swanning around in some fuel-guzzling twatmobile.

it's quite obvious that this person ^^^ doesn't drive' or like driving. :eek: these so-called scientists used to call it global warming' now they call it climate change because global warming has been proved a false analogy. also the climate is always naturally changing and has been for millions of years. climate change is a scam.

29-03-2011 11:16PM

zenno wrote: »

it's quite obvious that this person ^^^ doesn't drive' or like driving. :eek: these so-called scientists used to call it global warming' now they call it climate change because global warming has been proved a false analogy. also the climate is always naturally changing and has been for millions of years. climate change is a scam.

Even if you do not believe in anthropogenic climate change, surely you will agree that fossil fuels are a limited resource and as such should not be wasted. Some experts predict that peak oil could come as soon as 2020. Although it may not happen that soon it will almost certainly happen in our lifetime.

When the oil does run out, we will be very sorry that we wasted so much of this miracle fuel driving ridiculously oversize SUVs half a mile to the shop for a pint of milk.

When peak oil happens, it will happen fast, and as such we need to have alternative energy sources available and ready to fill the gap.

Thank you Al Gore, I think I hate you!

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