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Cheap Chinese Chinarello

  • 26-03-2011 11:38PM
    #1
    CormacCormac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭


    Hi,

    Does anyone here have, or know someone who has a Chinarello?


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  • #2
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    I understand that they make most of the unbranded frames that are sold on places like eBay, but they only fit all top components to the Chinarello bikes and do a supper paint job on their branded bikes, as far as I know they don’t sell Chinarello branded frames only fully built bikes. Also as far as I know they will replicate any paint scheme of any bike for $300


    I dont know about the quality

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=241785&page=15


  • #3
    CormacCormac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭CormacCormac


    They look very impressive. What im wondering is this... Are the frames the same as the pinarellos, are they made in the same factory etc, and are they cheap because they are unbranded. Or is it a case of a random frame manufacturer just copying the pinarello design?


  • #4
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    CormacCormac wrote: »
    They look very impressive. What im wondering is this... Are the frames the same as the pinarellos, are they made in the same factory etc, and are they cheap because they are unbranded. Or is it a case of a random frame manufacturer just copying the pinarello design?

    No not at all, they don’t even look alike, there’s a guy in Navan trying to sell one with Most Charisma wheels the frame even at a distance looks nothing like a Pinarello it was in Prince of Spain colours with ONDA written on a straight fork, the wheels were of the poorest quality and the paint was very good but up close there were runs on the seattube and around the BB it was the worsed copy of anything that I have ever seen


  • #5
    CormacCormac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭CormacCormac


    Oh right, well thanks for letting me know, will avoid them. There are a couple of good pictures online, but I guess you could get unlucky and get a rubbish one too!

    PinarelloFSA.jpg


  • #6
    Side Show Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Side Show Bob


    CormacCormac wrote: »
    Oh right, well thanks for letting me know, will avoid them. There are a couple of good pictures online, but I guess you could get unlucky and get a rubbish one too!

    PinarelloFSA.jpg

    If I could afford that I would hope to be able to afford Ultremo tyres for it


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  • #7
    CormacCormac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭CormacCormac


    Thats just one of the Chinarellos


  • #8
    gman2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    Side Show Bob wrote: »
    I understand that they make most of the unbranded frames that are sold on places like eBay, but they only fit all top components to the Chinarello bikes and do a supper paint job on their branded bikes, as far as I know they don’t sell Chinarello branded frames only fully built bikes. Also as far as I know they will replicate any paint scheme of any bike for $300


    I dont know about the quality

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=241785&page=15

    Sorry, what?????

    Chinarello is simply the name given to a Chinese made Pinarello Clone frame.
    Who is 'They'??
    The sellers listed on Alibaba and Ebay selling unbranded frames are simply sellers, not manufacturers.
    Archteks on Alibaba and Hong-Fu are two of the better recognised sellers of unbranded carbon frames, rims, bars, seatposts etc.
    I have a carbon MTB frame from Archteks, and it is excellent.
    Another guy in the club has a carbon road frame, but I cannot remember if it's a Pinarello Clone, but he is happy with it.


  • #9
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Real Pinarellos are made in Taiwan.


  • #10
    gman2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    Lumen wrote: »
    Real Pinarellos are made in Taiwan.

    And the theory is re the clones is that they use the same moulds with some minor differences like cable route points etc to say they are a different frame.


  • #11
    C3PO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Why would anyone want to buy a "hooky" Pinerello frame? Anyone who knew anything about bikes would spot it a mile away ..... it's like the guys who used to stick "Turbo" stickers on the back of their GL Fiestas! And if I hear that "They're made in the same factory" one again ...... is it really likely that any factory who have a contract with Pinerello would take a chance on loosing it by selling cheap "knock offs" out the back door?


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  • #12
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    RPL1 wrote: »
    Why would anyone want to buy a "hooky" Pinerello frame? Anyone who knew anything about bikes would spot it a mile away ..... it's like the guys who used to stick "Turbo" stickers on the back of their GL Fiestas! And if I hear that "They're made in the same factory" one again ...... is it really likely that any factory who have a contract with Pinerello would take a chance on loosing it by selling cheap "knock offs" out the back door?

    Since Pinarellos are made in Taiwan, and Taiwan is not in China (unless you're the Chinese government), then by definition a "Chinarello" cannot be made in the same factory as a Pinarello.

    I imagine it's pretty straightforward to create a mould from a frame, so the question is to what extent the "qualities" of a Pinarello (e.g. superb ride quality, stiffness and handling, or just being really heavy, depending on your viewpoint) are based on shape and size vs manufacturing process and quality control. I have no idea.

    The most amusing bit of the "Made in Italy" thing is that (so the internet says) in order to be badged as such a certain proportion of the "value" must be added in Italy, which essentially puts a floor on the price. If Pinarellos were cheaper the "value add" would cross the threshold and they couldn't be sold as "Made in Italy", so you are literally paying for that sticker. Or so I've read. I could be just repeating garbage.


  • #13
    fat bloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Side Show Bob wrote: »
    No not at all, they don’t even look alike, there’s a guy in Navan trying to sell one with Most Charisma wheels the frame even at a distance looks nothing like a Pinarello it was in Prince of Spain colours with ONDA written on a straight fork, the wheels were of the poorest quality and the paint was very good but up close there were runs on the seattube and around the BB it was the worsed copy of anything that I have ever seen

    Is that a fake yeah? Did you go see it? Wasn't he looking for feckin 5 grand or something for that :rolleyes:


  • #14
    byebye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭byebye


    if you buy right and do your homework they you can get superb quality frames from china! there are dogs out there but read up as much as you can find the best supliers! i have one for a winter bike and to be honest it rides better and weighs less than my wilier mortirolo and with a little better group set and wheels it could be alot lighter! i'l deff buy another and im waitin on some 60mm carbon wheels just to see how good/bad they are!!

    BUT BEWARE OF THE DODGEY RETAILERS IN CHINA


  • #15
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    CormacCormac wrote: »
    Oh right, well thanks for letting me know, will avoid them. There are a couple of good pictures online, but I guess you could get unlucky and get a rubbish one too!

    PinarelloFSA.jpg

    I'm hating the forks and the seat stays.


  • #16
    funkyjebus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭funkyjebus


    coolbeans wrote: »
    I'm hating the forks and the seat stays.

    I'm loving them.


  • #17
    fat bloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    byebye wrote: »
    if you buy right and do your homework they you can get superb quality frames from china! there are dogs out there but read up as much as you can find the best supliers! i have one for a winter bike and to be honest it rides better and weighs less than my wilier mortirolo and with a little better group set and wheels it could be alot lighter! i'l deff buy another and im waitin on some 60mm carbon wheels just to see how good/bad they are!!

    BUT BEWARE OF THE DODGEY RETAILERS IN CHINA


    I'd really like to hear back on what the wheels are like.

    The big question is - how do you know who's dodgy and who's reputable?


  • #18
    byebye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭byebye


    fat bloke wrote: »
    I'd really like to hear back on what the wheels are like.

    The big question is - how do you know who's dodgy and who's reputable?


    no prob i'l keep u updated! but from what iv read they are pretty good! roadbikereview is where you want to read up on it! i coud pm u some sites if you like!


  • #19
    Neverlandland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Neverlandland


    Me too please :)

    You should probably just post them here...


  • #20
    byebye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭byebye


    No prob here they are!

    www.yishunbike.com
    dengfubikes.com
    www.hongfu-bikes.com

    thats off the top of my head! i still suggest reading the threads on roadbikereview! see whats gettin the tumbs up!


  • #21
    wevergo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭wevergo


    Side Show Bob wrote: »
    If I could afford that I would hope to be able to afford Ultremo tyres for it

    Hello,

    the picture of the replica bike is mine.
    Somebody used it in this forum.
    Let me say the frame is excellent!
    Paintjob is also well done.
    The price/quality is amazing!
    More then three thousand kilometers and still perfect ride.
    No complaints at all, I am very entusiastic.
    I bought this frame not to impress people because I have also the brandname bikes: Trek Madone 5.2, Cube Agree GTS Pro, Wilier Izoard.
    This replica Dogma can compete with my highend carbonbikes and it looks great.
    In fact it's my favourite bike!
    I bought the frame at Speedy Li's store, Aliexpress.

    Don't believe negative criticism of people who don't have bought one ore have no experiences with a Chinarello themselves. Mostly they are talking nonsens because they do not have one.
    Read the reviews of the users.

    The second picture: my first Chinarello, external cable routing.

    Tyres: Schwalbe Durano S, they are not the same as the normal Duranos (weight, roling resistance etc.)

    regards

    Wevergo,
    the Netherlands.
    replica.jpg
    KopievanPinarelloApex1132groot.jpg


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  • #22
    Morrisseeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    Beware...........!


  • #23
    wevergo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭wevergo


    Morrisseeee wrote: »
    Beware...........!

    Yes, beware of original Pina's:

    that's why I prefer a replica :)

    pinarello-broken-1.jpg
    broken_PIN_A.jpg
    27112008.jpg
    PinarelloBento.jpg
    Front.jpg


  • #24
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    WTF, they all broke in the same place?


  • #25
    Lemag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,508 ✭✭✭Lemag


    wevergo wrote: »
    Yes, beware of original Pina's:
    Welcome to boards.ie wevergo. It'll be interesting to get a Dutch perspective on things. I bet those Pinas of yours climb those Dutch mountains like goats ;)


  • #26
    Hail 2 Da Thief
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Hail 2 Da Thief


    Morrisseeee wrote: »
    Beware...........!

    Sure they would say that wouldn't they! ;)


  • #27
    smush76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭smush76


    I find it hard to believe that the above photos are of real pinarello's. If as suggested they are surely pinarello would have made a voluntary recall of certain frames that appear to have a serious design flaw after all a premium product costing 3 grand or so you might expect sufficent r&d and testing would ensure this was an unlikely outcome. The last pic looks like the frame just snapped withouT having been involved in any sort of impact judging by the condition of the rest of the components and rider! Isn't it possible the above frames are chinarello's?


  • #28
    wevergo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭wevergo


    Lemag wrote: »
    Welcome to boards.ie wevergo. It'll be interesting to get a Dutch perspective on things. I bet those Pinas of yours climb those Dutch mountains like goats ;)

    Yes, last year in summer I climbed with my Chinarello 6x the Mont-Ventoux starting from Bedoin. It was fun.


  • #29
    wevergo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭wevergo


    smush76 wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe that the above photos are of real pinarello's. If as suggested they are surely pinarello would have made a voluntary recall of certain frames that appear to have a serious design flaw after all a premium product costing 3 grand or so you might expect sufficent r&d and testing would ensure this was an unlikely outcome. The last pic looks like the frame just snapped withouT having been involved in any sort of impact judging by the condition of the rest of the components and rider! Isn't it possible the above frames are chinarello's?

    Just google and you know these are real Pina's. Why doubt about it ?
    dsc0388ep8.jpg


  • #30
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Pinarellos were meant to be indestructible?


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  • #31
    Raam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    I rode a Pinarello FP3 in the Netherlands last week. Two things... (1) the Ardennes are not flat, (2) the Pinarello did not snap.


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