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Say Goodbye To FF Corruption & Say Hello To FG and Labour Corruption

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  • #32
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    bigwormbundoran wrote: »
    The fact that we must pay for it

    But, he'd hire someone anyway, and they'd be paid the same.

    I mean, she's a freaking personal assistant, it's hardly a glamorous and much wanted position now is it.


  • #33
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Goldenegg wrote: »
    This is going to be a case of déjà vu!

    I was watching Oireachtas Report the other night & Happy Gilmore was taking questions from Micheal Martin. He spent the whole time defending Enda Kenny, saying that the Taoiseach was doing his best to bring things forward in difficult times.

    It was really weird. It may as well have been Brian Leninihan defending Biffo.

    Different names. Same old shit.


  • #34
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    I was watching Oireachtas Report the other night & Happy Gilmore was taking questions from Micheal Martin. He spent the whole time defending Enda Kenny, saying that the Taoiseach was doing his best to bring things forward in difficult times.

    It was really weird. It may as well have been Brian Leninihan defending Biffo.

    Different names. Same old shit.

    So you're.... frustrated the a Government member is defending another Government member... :confused:


  • #35
    C-Shore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭C-Shore


    omega666 wrote: »
    big deal, as long he's not scaming the tax payers who gives a crap who he hires.
    and
    Sonics2k wrote: »
    But, he'd hire someone anyway, and they'd be paid the same.

    I mean, she's a freaking personal assistant, it's hardly a glamorous and much wanted position now is it.

    While I agree that the pay is equal and still comes from the government purse; my opionion is that a TD's wage is already high enough, and far higher than the industrial wage that the majority of the public support a household on.
    So the fact that he's actively sought to keep the additional wage within his household is preventing it from supporting an external household that might be in need of it badly.

    As a politician, I feel the moral decision would have been to release that wage to a household that is in need of it. To do what he is doing, defeats the purpose of the first point of FG's 5 point plan, along with many other points in the election manifesto.
    Getting elected by telling "the people" that you will bring about jobs, and then giving a job directly within your control to your wife, rather than the people who elected you, seems dishonest.

    I understand it can be argued that she has as much right to the job, but I just feel that his wage alone can support that household, where his pa expenses could be paid to a person who is in a sink/swim situation.

    Finally, I know it's most likely unrealistic to decide who to give a job to based on their personal financial circumstances, but in an ideal world/country, that's what I think should have happened.


  • #36
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    UsernameInUse wrote: »
    Gilmore has his daughter working on a huge case regarding Shell.
    No, he doesn't.

    It would appear that she was offered *some* work associated with it by the AG's office, but turned it down. No-one has yet been able to confirm what or how much work exactly, or who initiated the offer.

    It should also be noted that she was engaged to do some work by the AG's office under the last (Fianna Fáil) AG, which may suggest that she has some level of specific expertise which is deemed useful ... perhaps because she seems to jointly specialise in environmental and european law? (I'm asking the question, I don't claim to know the answer).


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  • #37
    Irish Slaves for Europe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Irish Slaves for Europe


    Poccington wrote: »
    I'd just like to point out that Gilmore's daughter turned down the job offer as she said there was a conflict of interest.

    But in true AH fashion, let's not let the facts get in the way of a rant.

    The fact he offered her the job in the first place shows how corrupt he is.


  • #38
    Saermegil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Saermegil


    Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »
    The fact he offered her the job in the first place shows how corrupt he is.

    He didn't offer her the job. And no-one really knows exactly what job it was anyway. I hate corruption more than the average bloke but you some people are taking the piss - facts count for nothing in AH I guess.


  • #39
    upandcumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    whydoibother? wrote: »
    I don't think any position being paid by the state, be it PA or barrister, should be given to a person without the normal procedure for public jobs. I mean advertising publicly, application forms, interviews etc. There needs to be a fair competition.

    Maybe he was doing us all a favour by saving us that time and expense by hiring someone very qualified and someone he trusted.


  • #40
    upandcumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    C-Shore wrote: »


    While I agree that .../ blah /... but in a communist world/country, that's what I think should have happened.

    I think that is what you mean.


  • #41
    C-Shore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭C-Shore


    upandcumming wrote: »
    I think that is what you mean.

    Hahaha, I think what he has done is closer to communism; but what from my post, you can see that what I'd like is closer to socialism.

    You tried though, and everyone loves a trier :)


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  • #42
    Laisurg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Laisurg


    Sure we're just f*cked we may as well just accept it at this stage, tbh i think the best thing we can do is listen to ming and legalize ganja, at least that way people will be cheery :)


  • #43
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    omega666 wrote: »
    big deal, as long he's not scaming the tax payers who gives a crap who he hires.

    There's so much irony there, its irony squared!


  • #44
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »
    The fact he offered her the job in the first place shows how corrupt he is.


    Who's "he"?

    The AG is a woman.

    Grainne Gilmore declined to take the work offered by the AG.

    Where's the corruption?


  • #45
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    I say far play to them. Every politician has probably done something corrupt in their political career, it's just the media doesn't find out about it all. In reality though, everyone would be tempted once they get power - it's natural. Unfortunately it's morally wrong and if I'm going to get a backlash from concern begrudges based on this comment, so be it.

    If anyone wants to get on in life they have to step outside the box at some point.


  • #46
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    I say far play to them. Every politician has probably done something corrupt in their political career, it's just the media doesn't find out about it all. In reality though, everyone would be tempted once they get power - it's natural. Unfortunately it's morally wrong and if I'm going to get a backlash from concern begrudges based on this comment, so be it.

    If anyone wants to get on in life they have to step outside the box at some point.


    No, it isnt natural. Its wrong, wrong, wrong. Normal people DONT want to abuse power once they get it, and normal people DONT step outside the box to "get on in life", as you put it. Thats the mentality of drug dealers. If that was the case, then why bother doing anything legally and properly at all when you can take a short-cuts:mad:


  • #47
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ah it was the same craic the last time we got sick of FF corruption and voted FG and labour in. Ye had FFer's going red in the face roaring "luk, LUKKIT sure der as corrupt as us lot!!"

    They've a long way to go to be as bad as the previous lot OP, hiring your missus is'nt the same as taking backhanders :)


  • #48
    whydoibother?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭whydoibother?


    upandcumming wrote: »
    Maybe he was doing us all a favour by saving us that time and expense by hiring someone very qualified and someone he trusted.

    Not sure which position your talking about. I'm also not saying procedures weren't followed in any particular case. I'm was just making a general point that procedures should be followed in hiring for transparency.

    If you seriously disagree with that, how far would you take your argument? Should politicians circumvent the tendering process for infrastructural projects and just give it to a company they trust for the sake of saving time and money?


  • #49
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    can we not say hello to the conservatives?


  • #50
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    whydoibother? wrote: »
    Not sure which position your talking about. I'm also not saying procedures weren't followed in any particular case. I'm was just making a general point that procedures should be followed in hiring for transparency.

    If you seriously disagree with that, how far would you take your argument? Should politicians circumvent the tendering process for infrastructural projects and just give it to a company they trust for the sake of saving time and money?

    politicians should be allowed to make certain appointments to positions

    personal secretary is definitely one of those positions were they should be allowed appoint whoever they want


  • #51
    UsernameInUse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    can we not say hello to the conservatives?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axyCsrgezg


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  • #52
    animaal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 815 ✭✭✭animaal


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    politicians should be allowed to make certain appointments to positions

    personal secretary is definitely one of those positions were they should be allowed appoint whoever they want

    This.

    Also, I'm pretty sure this PA doesn't get a state pension, guaranteed job for life, etc. I.e. she's not a state employee. I'm guessing politicians get a subsidy to employ a PA.

    Picking the right PA can mean that you can leave him/her to manage a substantial amount of your workload, without you needing to stand over his/her shoulder. Picking the wrong PA can be a disaster. It's a personal thing - it's not objective.

    If this was somebody choosing a family member for a position as a state employee, I'd be raging. But it's not.


  • #53
    Kat1170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    Goldenegg wrote: »
    This is going to be a case of déjà vu!

    Ah sure we heard that before


  • #54
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    animaal wrote: »
    This.

    Also, I'm pretty sure this PA doesn't get a state pension, guaranteed job for life, etc. I.e. she's not a state employee. I'm guessing politicians get a subsidy to employ a PA.

    Picking the right PA can mean that you can leave him/her to manage a substantial amount of your workload, without you needing to stand over his/her shoulder. Picking the wrong PA can be a disaster. It's a personal thing - it's not objective.

    If this was somebody choosing a family member for a position as a state employee, I'd be raging. But it's not.


    Irregardless it completely violates all ethic laws.
    The job should have been put out to tender and the best person picked for it.
    His daughter can go ahead and apply for it and as long as she has the best experience etc then there's no problem giving her the job.
    However as we all know...ethics is a load of bullshít which the top level policticians/CEOs like to shove down people's throats and as I always said
    "ethics is for the plebs...never for the top level lads."


  • #55
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    I'm not exactly a FG fan, but what exactly is the problem with Mr Farrell hiring his wife to be his P.A., it is quite common after all for people to hire partners as Secretaries, Assistants etc

    The problem is,that I as a taxpayer am paying her. Not Mr Farrell, as it should be


  • #56
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    Sc@recrow wrote: »
    Irregardless it completely violates all ethic laws.
    The job should have been put out to tender and the best person picked for it.
    His daughter can go ahead and apply for it and as long as she has the best experience etc then there's no problem giving her the job.
    However as we all know...ethics is a load of bullshít which the top level policticians/CEOs like to shove down people's throats and as I always said
    "ethics is for the plebs...never for the top level lads."

    it is not unethical for a position to be an appointed one

    also two threads have been combined one is about gilmores daughter being made lead solicitor in a case(which is what you are refering to) the other is about a td appointing his wife as his parlamentary secretary which is what the person you are quoting is refering too. the two things are completely different

    we have no idea how gilmores daughter got the job other then she got the job. for all we know the process of choosing the solicitor could have begun last year and she applied then and won the competition but because her father is now in goverment we automatically jump to conclusions

    as for the td he should be allowed to appojnt whoever he wants as his secretary, its as simple as that


  • #57
    UsernameInUse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    it is not unethical for a position to be an appointed one

    also two threads have been combined one is about gilmores daughter being made lead solicitor in a case(which is what you are refering to) the other is about a td appointing his wife as his parlamentary secretary which is what the person you are quoting is refering too. the two things are completely different

    we have no idea how gilmores daughter got the job other then she got the job. for all we know the process of choosing the solicitor could have begun last year and she applied then and won the competition but because her father is now in goverment we automatically jump to conclusions

    as for the td he should be allowed to appojnt whoever he wants as his secretary, its as simple as that

    Two threads have not been combined. The OP includes both issues.


  • #58
    eco2live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭eco2live


    I was watching 24 last night and the president gave her daughter the chief of staff job. Just saying :)

    Cronyism is different than corruption and both are equally dangerous and rampant in Ireland. In fairness they have a long way to go before we start to compare them to FF.


  • #59
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    UsernameInUse wrote: »
    Two threads have not been combined. The OP includes both issues.

    Oh my bad I didnt remember commenting in after hours on this, i must be confusing myself


  • #60
    UsernameInUse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    Oh my bad I didnt remember commenting in after hours on this, i must be confusing myself

    Perhaps there is another thread on it, but both issues where included in the OP. :) No threads have been combined.


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  • #61
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    PeakOutput wrote: »

    as for the td he should be allowed to appojnt whoever he wants as his secretary, its as simple as that

    It's not as simple as that.
    The tax payer is paying the 50K Salary.
    PeakOutput wrote:
    Oh my bad I didnt remember commenting in after hours on this, i must be confusing myself

    You must be confused with the other thread in Politics where you are also defending the nepotism that is going on.

    It's about Accountability and Transparency.
    Nothing confusing about that.


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