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Cow attacking her calf

  • 16-03-2011 10:25AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 40


    Have a calved heifer who will not let calf near her. Any ideas on how to convince her to be a mother?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭cjpm


    Try shaking dry cow minerals or nuts on the calf, might get her to start licking the calf.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭vanderbadger


    keep them close together anyway if you can, sooner or later something usually clicks with the cow and she should take,
    have a few cows that go overboard after calving and go mad licking the calf to the extent that they keep knocking the calf..pure nuisance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 krazyfarmer


    Thanks Lads. Have tried the nuts on the calf. No joy there. She will kick the calf and head butt him. she pushed him through a gate this morning. have him shut behind a pallet in the same pen as her. she will let him suck in the crush.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭Figerty


    Another ploy that sometime has an effect is to bring the dog in.. the maternal instinct may kick in..

    Or molasses...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭vanderbadger


    Thanks Lads. Have tried the nuts on the calf. No joy there. She will kick the calf and head butt him. she pushed him through a gate this morning. have him shut behind a pallet in the same pen as her. she will let him suck in the crush.

    have a cow, she is probably 6 or 7 years old at this stage but every year when she calves she acts like a springer, this year she nearly killed her calf, had the calf knocked out under the gate a few times, i actually had to take calf away from her initially, she was pure mad about calf but overly so, then when the calf would touch off her she would kick like she never remembered any of her other calves sucking her..anyway calf was born on monday and it was thursday morning before i got her to let the calf suck, i nearly gave up on her, in the end had to tie her legs in the crush and knock the calf and get it in under cow, once she started going though the cow just stopped kicking, in fact she let other calves suck her after so its weird how some of them carry on


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    Have a calved heifer who will not let calf near her. Any ideas on how to convince her to be a mother?

    I had in the past 2 heifers that behaved the same. As if terrified of the calf, to such an extent as they would kill the calf if allowed.
    I sedated one for 3 days allowing the calf to suck and bond with her. Keep the calf safe but in view of the heifer, and keep letting the calf suck using the crush. She should come around after a few days.
    I tried the dog thing too, it didn'n seem to make much differenct untill the cow came around anyway.
    She might do the same next year too. Both of mine did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    would a shot of stresnell not sure of spelling do the job we gave it to sows before a great job


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    A similar thing happened me last week. Calf was about a week old. No problems up to that. I tagged the calf that morning. I usually put a spray of iodine on the pierce tip of the tag before tagging, to stop it infecting.
    Cow wouldnt let the calf near her. Pucking it against a wall and everything.
    Put the cow in the crush. Slide back lowest bar and rubbed cow up and down along back bone. She let calf suck & was grand after that.
    Weird though, must have been the smell of the new tags and iodine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    I am sure there are many ways to rome but I had this problem earlier in the year with a first calver. When she calved she ran to the other end of the stable and when i put her back up to the calf she wouldnt lick her. I milked her and poured the beastings over the calf. That done the trick - or maybe it was just a coincidence and she decided to start mothering her, I don't know but it would be worth a try.

    I also heard about bringing a dog in!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 krazyfarmer


    Gave her Stressnel seems to be a bit more settled. Prob just going to take time to settle.
    Thanks for all ideas.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Krazyfarmer is she a limo? Try feeding her a half bucket of meal when she's in the crush, put the calf on her from behind. Have you anybody to help you? I had a couple of heifers rejecting calves last yr and just bucket/teat fed them instead.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    blue5000 wrote: »
    I had a couple of heifers rejecting calves last yr and just bucket/teat fed them instead.

    Good advice... Danger that the cow might turn on yourself, the calf mightn't be getting enough either.. I find this type of thing very hard if your on your own which is more usual than not..
    Bucket feed the calf and if the cow does the same next year I'd be putting her to the mart.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭what happen


    a man beside me had a whitehead cow and she killed two calves belonging to two diffent cows one year after another.he had to put whitehead cow and calf in to a field with no other cows and calves. he then got rid of her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭kay 9


    Over-feeding can do it also. We have 2 cattle this year that are playing f*ck on the rest of herd pucking them when feeding and when out. One of them didn;t take her own calf either for a while:mad: Laid off the grain and bobs yer aunt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭adne


    Have same prob, calf born Paddies Morn, 4 days later and she still wont let calve suck, have to pen her in corner and stand over her while calf sucks....
    What happens if this goes on for the summer.. How many times a day would I need to let calve suck...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 cows123


    had a belgian blue heifer was taking no heed of the calf and after about two weeks she fell in love with her :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I wonder what causes it? I think it seems to happen more with 2 yr old heifers, if they were 3 yr old, and more mature at first calving would it be less of a problem?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    blue5000 wrote: »
    I wonder what causes it? I think it seems to happen more with 2 yr old heifers, if they were 3 yr old, and more mature at first calving would it be less of a problem?

    Only happened us twice.
    Both were strong aged heifers. At the time someone told me the dairy men see it often enough, So along with age at calving, could breed have an influence?
    Could be a doctorate in it for ya Blue?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    It's probably man's interference with nature, messing around with selective breeding and all that. A cow that rejects her calve.....well that genetic line aint going to last is it? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 krazyfarmer


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Krazyfarmer is she a limo? Try feeding her a half bucket of meal when she's in the crush, put the calf on her from behind. Have you anybody to help you? I had a couple of heifers rejecting calves last yr and just bucket/teat fed them instead.

    Sorry for slow reply was flat out claving.
    She is a CHX. She is letting calf suck now i throw meal on the silage twice a day to make sure she stands. I let two other calved heifers in with her she became all protective of her calf. Last night she was letting two calves suck at one time. Maybe im not the only Krazy one about the place!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Bitten & Hisses


    Had a cow last year who was too protective of her calf. Of course, the calf wouldn't suck and when I tried to intervene, she used to go mental, hence she got the road. Some of ye have probably enjoyed her in a McDonald's quarter pounder by now ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭adne


    Sorry for slow reply was flat out claving.
    She is a CHX. She is letting calf suck now i throw meal on the silage twice a day to make sure she stands. I let two other calved heifers in with her she became all protective of her calf. Last night she was letting two calves suck at one time. Maybe im not the only Krazy one about the place!

    How long should i be ensuring the calf sucks for... i am giving him 20 mins sucking both morn and evening


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 krazyfarmer


    20 mins should be ok if he is sucking well.
    I was leaving her standing in the crush while doing other jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭adne


    20 mins should be ok if he is sucking well.
    I was leaving her standing in the crush while doing other jobs.

    How long before the calf could suck on his own.... Im a week now and getting fed up...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    have a cow, she is probably 6 or 7 years old at this stage but every year when she calves she acts like a springer, this year she nearly killed her calf, had the calf knocked out under the gate a few times, i actually had to take calf away from her initially, she was pure mad about calf but overly so, then when the calf would touch off her she would kick like she never remembered any of her other calves sucking her..anyway calf was born on monday and it was thursday morning before i got her to let the calf suck, i nearly gave up on her, in the end had to tie her legs in the crush and knock the calf and get it in under cow, once she started going though the cow just stopped kicking, in fact she let other calves suck her after so its weird how some of them carry on

    Why would keep a cow like this for so long?:confused:

    I saw one of the other posters mentioned the dog trick. This really does work, just bring the dog to the shed, have him stand at the gat looking in while you go to the calf and put the calf near the cow. The cow will be loking intently at the dog to bother with you but will instinctly want to protect the calf. Have seen this work many times with sheep and occassionally with cattle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭funny man


    Why would keep a cow like this for so long?:confused:

    I saw one of the other posters mentioned the dog trick. This really does work, just bring the dog to the shed, have him stand at the gat looking in while you go to the calf and put the calf near the cow. The cow will be loking intently at the dog to bother with you but will instinctly want to protect the calf. Have seen this work many times with sheep and occassionally with cattle

    make sure there is a gate and a good one, this works well but it is dangerous if you are in with a cow you don't know how she will react, i'm just urging caution!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭Don Juan DeMagoo


    Dear lord, don't be suggesting bringing dogs near new born calves unless you know your cattle very well, as in they are well handled and won't react.
    One of my saler crossbreds would go through a calf/gate/wall to get at the dog. ;)

    OP I have only had this happen once, it was a Charolais heifer.
    I find that it was a sudden burst of estrogen, i seperated the calf from the cow with a barrier, but still let the cow smell the calf, after a couple of hours all had settled. Then I gradually reintroduced the calf 2 or 3 per day for sucking, all was fine and cow and calf were fine together.

    If she is still giving hassle after a given period, get a replacement animal if possible or hand feed and get rid of the cow. It is just not worth going through that with her again next year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    Dear lord, don't be suggesting bringing dogs near new born calves unless you know your cattle very well, as in they are well handled and won't react.

    eh, well yeah, sorry I thought this was a natural assumption and didnt need to be pointed out! To bring it further, I would also suggest the dog should be one you are in full control of (IE your own dog instead of a neighbours dog) and preferably an older dog (More predictable & knows when to get the hell out of there!). Furthermore, it helps if the cow actually knows the dog, again you should you use your own dog.

    I have seen this technique work on many occassions if you are careful with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭adne


    eh, well yeah, sorry I thought this was a natural assumption and didnt need to be pointed out! To bring it further, I would also suggest the dog should be one you are in full control of (IE your own dog instead of a neighbours dog) and preferably an older dog (More predictable & knows when to get the hell out of there!). Furthermore, it helps if the cow actually knows the dog, again you should you use your own dog.

    I have seen this technique work on many occassions if you are careful with it.

    Is it too late to try this trick now 8 days later.. am losing heart and going to seperate the calf at the 2 week mark, buy in another suck and feed the 2 of them on milk replacement once a day....
    Put dry cow tubes into the cow and wave good bye to her.....

    What best option to buy in a suck..... a FRxBB Heifer or FRxLM heifer or maybe a FRxAA Bull......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    adne wrote: »
    Is it too late to try this trick now 8 days later.. am losing heart and going to seperate the calf at the 2 week mark, buy in another suck and feed the 2 of them on milk replacement once a day....
    Put dry cow tubes into the cow and wave good bye to her.....

    What best option to buy in a suck..... a FRxBB Heifer or FRxLM heifer or maybe a FRxAA Bull......

    Just to summarise: Your calf is a week old and the dam (a heifer?) wont stand to allow the calf suck?
    How is she with the calf in the pen? Is the calf anxious to suck? Is she alone with the calf?

    Looks to me like she has for whatever reason failed to bond with the calf and does not recognise it as her own, and thus treats it like an imposter.
    I would think if the problem was hormonal she would have settled by now and is unlikely to settle. You never know though, We had a calf last spring that wouldn't suck, unassisted, for 10 days and then just got the taste of it and never looked back.

    Re: Buying a calf. Everyone will have an opinion on what is best. A good BBX heifer calf would be the road I'd be going down.


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