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Civil Service keeping their "privilege days": reform will have to be forced

  • 21-03-2011 08:10PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭


    For once I'm in full agreement with IBEC.


    Back when civil servants were thinking hard on behalf of the British Empire of wonderfully counter-revolutionary plans to defeat the Land League, Fenians and any other Irish who had a bit of spirit the British monarch gave them two extra days as a reward for their loyalty: one to honour himself (the modesty!) and one to honour his British Empire.

    It being 2011 and in the midst of a recession, the government wants to get rid of them, saying it will save us - the taxpayers of this republic who are paying for these royalist days off - €5 million per year:

    'The Department of Finance had told a Civil Service Arbitration Board hearing last month that the measures proposed would generate productivity savings of €4.6 million per year and lead to greater administrative efficiencies.

    It said that privilege days were out-moded, represented an obstacle to the achievement of efficiency and had attracted an amount of adverse public comment.'

    'Privilege day' abolition rejected

    The following from the Civil Service Arbitration Board, in particular, is baffling:

    'It also pointed out that converting privilege days into annual leave entitlements could widen the gap between the civil service and the rest of the public service, and create a barrier to an integrated public service.'

    Proposal to reduce privilege days rejected

    Does the above mean that the Arbitration Board is agreeing that the civil servants don't need another two days holidays and that to convert the two 'privilege days' into official holidays would not look well so let's continue to hide the extra two days holidays under the guise of "privilege days"? :confused:

    The Civil Service Arbitration Board today amazingly agreed with the unions and said that they had a right to their extra two days holidays.


    If these people in the civil service union are refusing to give up two days, what hope is there for making the serious reform which the Irish civil service, and public sector generally, needs to undergo?

    Do you agree with the government that these civil service 'privilege days' should be abolished?

    Do you agree with the government that these 'privilege days' should be abolished? 102 votes

    Yes, the days should be abolished
    0%
    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    100%
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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Dionysus wrote: »
    For once I'm in full agreement with IBEC.

    Yeah, she's sound :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Yeah, she's sound :)

    New TV already?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Of course they should be abolished, the sheer arrogance of the pubic servants refusing to abolish it says it all.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    I would like who ever voted no to state why they shouldnt be abolished?

    that should make for good reading!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    No they shouldn't be abolished. Even now public servants get less annual leave days than most other european countries barr the UK.

    Its much ado about nothing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    IBTIPSVPSSM

    (In Before The Inevitable Public Service Versus Private Service Slagging Match)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Gotta love the description too "Privilege Days"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    sollar wrote: »
    No they shouldn't be abolished. Even now public servants get less annual leave days than most other european countries barr the UK.

    Its much ado about nothing.

    Most european public services are operated properly and not overstaffed by about 60%. Also wages earned by some public sector workers in this country are huge in comparison.

    What an excuse though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    I for one enjoy my privilege days and no amount of trolling here will change my position on them. I do however think it is unfair that I get them as "an officer of the board" [I work in the HSE], yet the general assistants in my clinic don't, I think the clerical staff get them, but I'm unsure on that.

    So not all PS workers get privilege days, in fact having them added to my annual leave would be a better option. I generally have to use it up within a week of the actual holiday, i.e. Xmas or Easter. BTW I have no idea what being "an officer of the boards" actually is, all I know is it's stated in my contract that I get 2 privilege days a year.

    Having them added as annual leave should have been done years ago, rather than having to take it at Easter or Xmas, they are generally busy times patient wise. No one likes having to try cram patients in, especially as Xmas is a stressful time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Odysseus wrote: »
    I for one enjoy my privilege days and no amount of trolling here will change my position on them. I do however think it is unfair that I get them as "an officer of the board" [I work in the HSE], yet the general assistants in my clinic don't, I think the clerical staff get them, but I'm unsure on that.

    So not all PS workers get privilege days, in fact having them added to my annual leave would be a better option. I generally have to use it up within a week of the actual holiday, i.e. Xmas or Easter. BTW I have no idea what being "an officer of the boards" actually is, all I know is it's stated in my contract that I get 2 privilege days a year.

    Having them added as annual leave should have been done years ago, rather than having to take it at Easter or Xmas, they are generally busy times patient wise. No one likes having to try cram patients in, especially as Xmas is a stressful time.

    The arrogance I was talking about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Odysseus wrote: »
    I for one enjoy my privilege days and no amount of trolling here will change my position on them. I do however think it is unfair that I get them as "an officer of the board" [I work in the HSE], yet the general assistants in my clinic don't, I think the clerical staff get them, but I'm unsure on that.

    So not all PS workers get privilege days, in fact having them added to my annual leave would be a better option. I generally have to use it up within a week of the actual holiday, i.e. Xmas or Easter. BTW I have no idea what being "an officer of the boards" actually is, all I know is it's stated in my contract that I get 2 privilege days a year.

    Having them added as annual leave should have been done years ago, rather than having to take it at Easter or Xmas, they are generally busy times patient wise. No one likes having to try cram patients in, especially as Xmas is a stressful time.

    There is practically no difference between calling them "Annual Leave" or "Privilege Days" apart from when you take them. They are still days off. If anything changing them to Annual Leave is better for the public servants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭bleg


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Next you'll be wanting us to be giving up our free quart of ale on Fridays. I enjoy my quart of ale.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Point of Arbitration is to abitrate, they did, said Civil Service could keep the days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    The sense of entitlement from the overpaid top level in the Civil Service is beyond belief, i wonder how long they would survive in the real world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Its barking mad. If i had two extra days off, i sure as hell wouldn't want to give them up, no mater who asked or told me, so i cant see CS staff coming on here and saying they dont want the days.

    But if their two extra days for nothing and losing them will still leave the same amount of holidays as PS workers, then the days should be taken off them. Its about time someone in this country grew a set of balls and made some decisions without consulting with unions etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Senna wrote: »
    Its barking mad. If i had two extra days off, i sure as hell wouldn't want to give them up, no mater who asked or told me, so i cant see CS staff coming on here and saying they dont want the days.

    But if their two extra days for nothing and losing them will still leave the same amount of holidays as PS workers, then the days should be taken off them. Its about time someone in this country grew a set of balls and made some decisions without consulting with unions etc.

    If our Government won't, the IMF will bash the Unions with their balls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    Odysseus wrote: »
    I for one enjoy my privilege days and no amount of trolling here will change my position on them
    :rolleyes: The sooner the lower paid public servants break from these overpaid privileged "Servants" the better. No wonder people have such bad stereotypes of the PS. Split the unions, 1) low paid PS and 2) snobby privileged lazy overpaid PS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    The arrogance I was talking about.

    Oh the humanity! he enjoys his days off! the fking arrogance of it! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    "PS" as an abbreviation is pretty useless when it refers to both the Private and Public Sectors.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    RichieC wrote: »
    Oh the humanity! he enjoys his days off! the fking arrogance of it! :rolleyes:

    I wasn't saying he shouldn't enjoy his days off. I was simply saying he came across as arrogant.

    You should try being objective for once in your boards posting career.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    I wasn't saying he shouldn't enjoy his days off. I was simply saying he came across as arrogant.

    You should try being objective for once in your boards posting career.

    :rolleyes:

    yes perhaps I should join the objective CS bashing club!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    RichieC wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    yes perhaps I should join the objective CS bashing club!

    I am going to take a wild wild guess and say you are in the civil service? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    They should keep all of their entitlements, wage decreases reversed and more of them hired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    RichieC wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    yes perhaps I should join the objective CS bashing club!


    It is a valid point when the state is paying what it can't afford to fund your privilege days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    I am going to take a wild wild guess and say you are in the civil service? :D

    Ex


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭garhjw


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    sums up the atitude of public sector workers and unions in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    garhjw wrote: »
    sums up the atitude of public sector workers and unions in this country.

    God I used to be laughed at by me builder mates about me ****e wages when I was in the service... funny how things change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    This whole story is an absolute joke.

    Did no one read the feckin articles?

    One the one side they get the 2 privilege days which are kinda fixed around certain week or if this change is "forced", civil service workers get 2 holiday days to take whenever they like.

    Then the newspapers go off and call them as english holidays to get everyone riled up.

    Either way, there are still 2 days holidays.

    How easy to manipulate do the newspapers think we are?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    RichieC wrote: »
    God I used to be laughed at by me builder mates about me ****e wages when I was in the service... funny how things change.

    Ah yes, I loved the times when everyone who was not in the public service was a builder. Even all the children were builders. :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    No, the civil service should keep these extra days
    RichieC wrote: »
    God I used to be laughed at by me builder mates about me ****e wages when I was in the service... funny how things change.

    Funny that, they actually worked for their living?,
    They weren't protected by unions or took money from state coffers?

    Completely stupid and irrelevant argument.


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