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Sound and Vision

  • 19-03-2011 03:34PM
    #1
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭


    liamtech wrote: »
    Unless they are subsidized by a wealthy TV station, perhaps, oh i dunno, a station with more money than sense; which is payed far to much by the public and worse still, squanders these resources - but where to find such a station?:(

    Having community services would be great and would really boost the service around the country -

    I cant help seeing a slight parallel between RTE VS TV3(and other assorted local stations) and the whole Aerlingus VS Ryanair argument - all of these State owned and semi-state (and former state owned for that matter) seem to have a far easier time getting what they want - while organizations seen as competitors to these Tricolor Flying flagships always have to fight and scream for service... and even then are accused of being second rate and unworthy of mention... VERY IRISH isnt it

    Once again im prepared for the onslaught of card carrying RTE supporters to start the final offensive on little old me :( - "RTE are great", "without RTE Ireland wouldn't have DTT"... etc etc -

    Liam TV3 squandered its money back in 2006 when Doherty Hanson bought the channel for way over the odds. ITV were interested until "silly money" started to be mentioned. Now TV3's loan is in Nama while DH thought it might be a good idea to buy EBS to take the loans out of NAMA (I can only surmise).

    There are allot of things wrong with RTÉ and TV3 both are no better than each other. My issue with the TV3 private sector lovers is that TV3 have done really very little. I would love if TV3 was more independently minded and didn't worry so much about RTÉ, TV3 have plenty of money and the know well how to squander it. I don't need to complain about RTÉ as so many do, that is why I don't. In fairness to RTÉ as their audience share and licence fee has eroded and as other TV stations copy their Radio Programmes (a dig a VB :rolleyes:) RTÉ have been left with DTT and DAB weather they like it or not.

    And yes a Community service could be placed on the Public service mux for Free, even if just for 3 hours. The Neatherlands had a system of different groups on the TV services in the early years, I don't see why we should not think about a mixed group TV channel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederland_1


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  • #2
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Elmo wrote: »
    Liam TV3 squandered its money back in 2006 when Doherty Hanson bought the channel for way over the odds. ITV were interested until "silly money" started to be mentioned. Now TV3's loan is in Nama while DH thought it might be a good idea to buy EBS to take the loans out of NAMA (I can only surmise).

    There are allot of things wrong with RTÉ and TV3 both are no better than each other. My issue with the TV3 private sector lovers is that TV3 have done really very little. I would love if TV3 was more independently minded and didn't worry so much about RTÉ, TV3 have plenty of money and the know well how to squander it. I don't need to complain about RTÉ as so many do, that is why I don't. In fairness to RTÉ as their audience share and licence fee has eroded and as other TV stations copy their Radio Programmes (a dig a VB :rolleyes:) RTÉ have been left with DTT and DAB weather they like it or not.

    And yes a Community service could be placed on the Public service mux for Free, even if just for 3 hours. The Neatherlands had a system of different groups on the TV services in the early years, I don't see why we should not think about a mixed group TV channel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederland_1

    It would be brilliant if these local stations came together in a technical group or sorts and time shared some spots on saorview- But in all honesty why do they have to share - i mean its not as if stations are queuing up to join- i assume this is a cost thing which really brings me back to what we were saying about the money RTE gets - can these stations actually apply and get some funding from the license (WITHOUT THE LICENSE GOING UP - in case anyone from RTE is reading this and gets any ideas! lol)

    Even still i would welcome time sharing

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #3
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Sound and Vision Fund is provided to all TV services (including Setanta) as long as the shows produced are provided in prime-time and unencrypted in relation to Setanta. Setanta provide "freeview" hours on Satellite.

    RTÉ's (public) money that it has got (as pointed out) has gone toward developing the infrastructure that those new services will be available on.

    IMO Community service could go on the service for free but Private money making channels will need to pay for their positions that is only fair IMO.

    However the S&V fund is not there for broadcasting rather it is there for content producers. TV shows are co-productions with the BAI under the scheme as such. (S&V is 7% of the licence fee).

    As for sharing while the cush seems to think that RTÉ 1 +1 won't close, and as I thought it would be a full channel, RTÉJr could timeshare with the community channels. It would receive free transmission and the BAI if able would provide the community sector with some S&V funds.

    Anyway their are numerous possibilities even TV3 might suggest a TV3+1 or/and a 3e+1 or perhaps a TV3HD. IMO TV3 are being myopic in this instance. They can apply for more TV channels and they can become stronger, and they have got that ability from public funds.


  • #4
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,556 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    If TV3 quit analogue or digital, there is always UTV to take their place. They have just as much claim to be Irish, being based in Belfast. They even get most of the programmes from the same source.


  • #5
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Elmo wrote: »
    The Sound and Vision Fund is provided to all TV services (including Setanta) as long as the shows produced are provided in prime-time and unencrypted in relation to Setanta. Setanta provide "freeview" hours on Satellite.

    RTÉ's (public) money that it has got (as pointed out) has gone toward developing the infrastructure that those new services will be available on.

    IMO Community service could go on the service for free but Private money making channels will need to pay for their positions that is only fair IMO.

    However the S&V fund is not there for broadcasting rather it is there for content producers. TV shows are co-productions with the BAI under the scheme as such. (S&V is 7% of the licence fee).

    As for sharing while the cush seems to think that RTÉ 1 +1 won't close, and as I thought it would be a full channel, RTÉJr could timeshare with the community channels. It would receive free transmission and the BAI if able would provide the community sector with some S&V funds.

    Anyway their are numerous possibilities even TV3 might suggest a TV3+1 or/and a 3e+1 or perhaps a TV3HD. IMO TV3 are being myopic in this instance. They can apply for more TV channels and they can become stronger, and they have got that ability from public funds.

    How come Setanta get away with this - They shouldn't receive any funding unless their broadcasting in the clear free to air- freeview means it is only viewable with a sky subscription - granted it is viewable to any sky viewer in ireland -

    Folks that really isnt fair and is entirely unjust -

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #6
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Setanta should not be eligible.

    Only channels that are Wholly Free To Air AND available Terrestrially should be able to avail.


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  • #7
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Elmo wrote: »
    We checked it out here on boards you don't need a sky subscription or a sky Digi box. Setanta does provide FTA hours but I still agree with you I don't think a Pay TV provider should be able to avail of these funds unless they have an FTA channel.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70220925

    **** should really read responses to my threads more careful seems you right you do need a Sky card to access Setanta Freeview. Even worse then I expected.

    So license payer money is going to Setanta, to help finance a channel that is only available to Sky and UPC Customers - This is truly an outrage -

    Elmo - i think this information needs to be highlighted, possibly in a separate thread. I previously heard that setanta were providing several hours a day free to sky customers but i though it was a taster to encourage subscription. As there was no great outpouring of complaints about it i have a feeling many people didnt know about the funding. I had no idea they were receiving funding for it at all - - this is a slap in the face to all those who support FTA and who pay only the TV license-

    Can we find out:
    • How much they get
    • when it started
    • what the actual reason/agreement is on this funding

    Then perhaps we should all consider a petition to our new Minister for Communications - in Any case, we need to get all of the facts right first

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #8
    Teddy455
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Teddy455


    liamtech wrote: »
    So license payer money is going to Setanta, to help finance a channel that is only available to Sky and UPC Customers - This is truly an outrage -

    Elmo - i think this information needs to be highlighted, possibly in a separate thread. I previously heard that setanta were providing several hours a day free to sky customers but i though it was a taster to encourage subscription. As there was no great outpouring of complaints about it i have a feeling many people didnt know about the funding. I had no idea they were receiving funding for it at all - - this is a slap in the face to all those who support FTA and who pay only the TV license-

    Can we find out:
    • How much they get
    • when it started
    • what the actual reason/agreement is on this funding
    Then perhaps we should all consider a petition to our new Minister for Communications - in Any case, we need to get all of the facts right first

    +1


  • #9
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I presume the freedom of Information act should allow us to inquire as to how much money they are getting, and the frequency of their payments -

    I have to restate that i find this Disgraceful - It makes a mockery of the TV license in this country - its bad enough to think that Ryan Tubridy gets an enormous salary - But to think that some of my 160euro Yearly payment is funding Setanta - My blood is boiling

    I'm dead serious about confirming the facts and putting together a petition asking for an explanation as to why Our license payments are being squandered on a channel, which is only available to subscription customers



    Typical Ireland :mad:

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #10
    Teddy455
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Teddy455


    liamtech wrote: »
    I presume the freedom of Information act should allow us to inquire as to how much money they are getting, and the frequency of their payments -

    I have to restate that i find this Disgraceful - It makes a mockery of the TV license in this country - its bad enough to think that Ryan Tubridy gets an enormous salary - But to think that some of my 160euro Yearly payment is funding Setanta - My blood is boiling

    I'm dead serious about confirming the facts and putting together a petition asking for an explanation as to why Our license payments are being squandered on a channel, which is only available to subscription customers



    Typical Ireland :mad:

    I think you should email minister Pat Rabitte about this.


  • #11
    Teddy455
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Teddy455


    liamtech wrote: »
    I presume the freedom of Information act should allow us to inquire as to how much money they are getting, and the frequency of their payments -

    I have to restate that i find this Disgraceful - It makes a mockery of the TV license in this country - its bad enough to think that Ryan Tubridy gets an enormous salary - But to think that some of my 160euro Yearly payment is funding Setanta - My blood is boiling

    I'm dead serious about confirming the facts and putting together a petition asking for an explanation as to why Our license payments are being squandered on a channel, which is only available to subscription customers



    Typical Ireland :mad:

    Link here:http://www.rte.ie/about/licence.html#question3 lin ked to by an post question of what is the licence spent on


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  • #12
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The BAI provide details of which production company gets access to the S&V fund and the Broadcaster that is involved in the production.

    http://www.bai.ie/pdfs/20110221_svtv10_pr.pdf

    ~€7million provided to TV in round 10
    Setanta got 740,000
    RTE got 1.9m
    TV3 got 945,000
    TG4 got 2.7m
    CCTV got 87,000
    DCTV got 245,000
    UTV got £45,000

    Or

    Public got 4.7m
    Private got 1.7m
    Community got 300,000

    The distribution of the licence fee is fairly well transparent from both the BAI and RTÉ. TV3 have done better than this during other rounds.

    What is the Showcase channel???


  • #13
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Elmo wrote: »
    The BAI provide details of which production company gets access to the S&V fund and the Broadcaster that is involved in the production.

    http://www.bai.ie/pdfs/20110221_svtv10_pr.pdf

    ~€7million provided to TV in round 10
    Setanta got 740,000
    RTE got 1.9m
    TV3 got 945,000
    TG4 got 2.7m
    CCTV got 87,000
    DCTV got 245,000
    UTV got £45,000

    Or

    Public got 4.7m
    Private got 1.7m
    Community got 300,000

    The distribution of the licence fee is fairly well transparent from both the BAI and RTÉ. TV3 have done better than this during other rounds.

    What is the Showcase channel???

    Then by all rights we should be able to access Setanta FTA in the republic of ireland - technically one could argue that UTV should be available via DTT, but since it is available via Satellite, we could leave that one alone -

    I would love to see the community stations available in one shape or another -even online would be a start

    Putting them aside i dont see how setanta should get any money at all from the license fee as it is not available without subscription - It is by definition a PAY TV station -

    Bloods boiling again - i actually expected this to be a mistake or something - it just seemed to ridiculous to be true...

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #14
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    What justification is there to give 1c even to
    Setanta got 740,000
    CCTV got 87,000
    DCTV got 245,000

    These channels are only on Pay TV platforms. They are not available to Free to Air viewers.

    UTV got £45,000
    While technically UTV is FTA and available to some people via Aerial, and anyone with FTA Satellite, why are they getting money from the fund? Why is Irish TV viewing Tax being paid to Broadcaster outside the state? You might as well give money to BBC N.I. or even DW TV.


  • #15
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    watty wrote: »
    What justification is there to give 1c even to
    Setanta got 740,000
    CCTV got 87,000
    DCTV got 245,000

    These channels are only on Pay TV platforms. They are not available to Free to Air viewers.

    UTV got £45,000
    While technically UTV is FTA and available to some people via Aerial, and anyone with FTA Satellite, why are they getting money from the fund? Why is Irish TV viewing Tax being paid to Broadcaster outside the state? You might as well give money to BBC N.I. or even DW TV.

    I agree with you 100% Watty but i think we need to look at this clearly and objectively -

    -UTV - While it is a "foreign station" unavailable via DTT or ATT, it is broadcasting in the clear via satellite - it is technically available to the entire island of ireland in one shape or another-

    -CCTV & DCTV - Local stations which due to the cost of transmitting via DTT and satellite are unable to do so -

    Now while i agree that the above probably shouldnt get a penny, i bear in mind the following - UTV i have for free, and CCTV and DCTV are very small fish - never the less if we are proceeding with a petition of some sort they should be mentioned and queried -

    Setanta - MASSIVE MULTI-MILLION EURO ENTERPRISE - present on every continent on earth: Similar to sky sports, this station will always enjoy snapping up sports events and charging viewers a fee to watch them - it is 100% a pay TV station for profit and providing nothing in the public interest -

    This station/company should not get a single solitary cent of license payer money at all - To think that it gets 740,000Euro is a total and absolute disgrace - This has to stop - Im totally committed to this and would ask that an Official new thread be started discussing this disgrace and the options we have as license payers to put a stop to it - In an age where people are harassed, fined, taken to court and possibly imprisoned for not paying a TV license - TO THINK THIS COMPANY GETS SOME OF THAT - FARCICAL!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #16
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Cable is pay TV only.
    There is NO Irish Satellite Platform at all.

    Thus UTV, CCTV and DCTV should get no money, no matter how free the UK satellite Platform is and no matter how small CCTV DCTV are.

    Only FTA channels on IRISH transmission Platforms should be eligible for Irish TV Licence money.

    The General Taxation (NOT TV Licence) should pay for International Streaming AND Satellite channel for People OUTSIDE Ireland. In UK, Australia, USA, Canada, Mainland Europe, Middle East, South America, Asia and Africa with same kind of charter as DW TV.

    UTV is only on other channels on Sky, and only obvious on a Freesat box with an N.I. Post Code entered. While they do own a lot of Local Radio and are an ISP in Ireland, there is no compelling reason why they should get the S&V money from TV Licence.


  • #17
    FREETV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    liamtech wrote: »
    So license payer money is going to Setanta, to help finance a channel that is only available to Sky and UPC Customers - This is truly an outrage -

    Elmo - i think this information needs to be highlighted, possibly in a separate thread. I previously heard that setanta were providing several hours a day free to sky customers but i though it was a taster to encourage subscription. As there was no great outpouring of complaints about it i have a feeling many people didnt know about the funding. I had no idea they were receiving funding for it at all - - this is a slap in the face to all those who support FTA and who pay only the TV license-

    Can we find out:
    • How much they get
    • when it started
    • what the actual reason/agreement is on this funding

    Then perhaps we should all consider a petition to our new Minister for Communications - in Any case, we need to get all of the facts right first
    Agreed, we are all after all paying for a service which should be FTA on Saorview, at least the free to air hours from Setanta anyway. :) Any channel provider to whom license payers money fund should be free to air and on the Saorview service and the bureaucrats need to be informed of this by us all. UTV should be on multiplex two.


  • #18
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    In general i think we all agree that License payer money is being squandered in this situation- The local channels, UTV and in particular Setanta, should not be receiving License Funds -

    I Genuinely believe that this should now be a separate thread to discuss what we can do about this - A petition is one possibility, and this option should be discussed once all boarders are fully aware of the facts -

    My reasoning in wanting a seperate thread is:
    • This discussion no longer has anything to do with Saorview publicity launch
    • This issue needs to be highlighted so more opinions can be heard

    Is it possible for a moderator to split off the Post's containing the discussion surrounding Setanta's license funds, and place them in a seperate thread - Or should i or one of the other boarders open a new thread discussing this sole issue? If the later is the only option i will open said thread with several quotes from this discussion..

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #19
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Excellent -I look forward to the posts being moved - and for a wider discussion on what the situation is and how we can at the very least lodge a complaint with the BAI &/or The minister of communications:

    In the mean time: We now know the figures involved to be 740 000 euro, per year i presume. What about how setanta managed to get funding - is there a way to find out what justification there is for Setanta to get a penny of license money

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #20
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The Sound & Vision fund's very concept is flawed based on copying a Failed British Model.

    UK Broadcast production, not just BBC, but also many programs for ITV and Channel 4, some of which externally priduced used to be the envy of the World. Now C4 production is closed and much ITV and BBC production is gone. The UK philosphy was to FORCE the use of external Production.

    The idea behind the dreadful waste that is the S&V fund, using 10% of the TV licence is that Broadcasters should only commission programs, not make them.

    So the logic is that any Irish Program Production can be funded, even if in fact most Irish Licence Fee payers can't ever see it due to being on a single pay TV Platform (Cable), or a Pay TV only minority Channel (Setanta, not part of any entry level package on Sky) or UTV (only on Cable by default, as FTA is a minority and UTV is not on Sky EPG in Ireland).

    So UPC, part a large successful International Media Company "Liberty Global" is the TV platform (which is ONLY pay TV) that has benefited from 100% of the S&V fund so far, as they are the only platform with all those channels to all Digital subscriber.

    If the S&V fund as a concept to fund Irish Productions (rather than Broadcasters) is to continue, then it needs direct Grant and be part of the Irish Film Board and not building the BAI empire. At least 80% of the new S&V should be levied from Sky, UPC (25% each), TV3, TG4 and RTE (10% each).

    Meanwhile the idea of copying the "Bankrupt" UK model of destruction of in house Production in favour should be abandoned.

    Any Irish Broadcaster (Defined as someone on Saorview TV or Radio or Terrestrial FM (not DAB only as it is too limited) should get funding to improve Production Standards (not for Equipment, Premises, Over paid presenters) in relation to programs of outstanding cultural value.

    Immediately there should be funding for an International Channel Broadcasting and Streaming run by TG4 in English with minority time in Irish, Spanish and French. TV3 should have to provide 10% content free and RTE provide 70% content free.


  • #21
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    CCTV and DCTV are both community services and are generally comprised of volunteers. As point out it is unlikely that either could afford an FTA platform. I see no reason why they should not be able to avail of the S&V fund and the idea of letting them on Saorview timesharing with RTÉjr would negate the issues with the tiny amount that that got in comparison to other channels.

    Film Four received funding for Hunger from the fund and it is one of the main reason why the IFB/BSÉ want to have a channel on Saorview. A new national station could also be set up to provide ROI viewers with access to programmes funded by S&V for NI channels and also NI news such as Newsline and UTV live.

    Here is a thread I tried to getting going a year or so ago http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61411420


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  • #22
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    If CCTV and DCTV are only on Cable, then they only benefit UPC and the fact they are small, kind to Cats, or comprised of volunteers is irrelevant. Unless they are on an irish FTA Platform, they are not IMO Irish Broadcasters entitled to get Licence Fee Money.

    They may be perfectly eligiable for S&V fund. But as it stands the S&V fund shouldn't get a cent of the TV licence.


    A channel only on pay TV is not a community service. IMO it's an ego trip getting exploited by UPC. No one "needs" pay Tv.


  • #23
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    A channel only on pay TV is not a community service. IMO it's an ego trip getting exploited by UPC. No one "needs" pay Tv.

    On channel 802 UPC really aren't driving their ego. www.dctv.ie


  • #24
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Elmo wrote: »
    On channel 802 UPC really aren't driving their ego. www.dctv.ie

    In order to watch anything on UPC you have to pay for it-pretty much invalidates your argument.Can't see how a channel on pay tv can get extra funding.No cable no channels,no such thing as fta on UPC so not really public service broadcasting as you gotta pay to view.

    FTA via satellite or dtt is different as it is potentially available to 100% of the population and not restricted to a pay tv system.

    Nice to see part of my license fee go to channels I'll never get to watch or have to pay a fee for the privelege.


  • #25
    liamtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    zerks wrote: »
    In order to watch anything on UPC you have to pay for it-pretty much invalidates your argument.Can't see how a channel on pay tv can get extra funding.No cable no channels,no such thing as fta on UPC so not really public service broadcasting as you gotta pay to view.

    FTA via satellite or dtt is different as it is potentially available to 100% of the population and not restricted to a pay tv system.

    Nice to see part of my license fee go to channels I'll never get to watch or have to pay a fee for the privelege.

    You are preaching to the converted here... its a disgrace, and we must at least lodge our criticism to the BAI

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • #26
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    It was not a zombie thread it was dead when I wrote it. I don't see why it could not have been merged. :(

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71285847&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=notify#post71285847


  • #27
    101001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭101001


    I dont think people understand what sound and vision funding is... Its not just for tv stations. You yourself can get funding to make TV content. Its funding to create irish related content rather than buying in.

    regards the DCTV and CCTV. Community Television should be at its core be about irish people making there own programmes. When Community Tv recieves sound and vision funding to make shows that budget is then used to run the station as a whole.

    Folks of the street should be able to do go to them train and create their own content. It goes to facilitate and train folks who want to make TV. Community TV is a positive system that rarely recieves money from elsewhere.

    If DCTV hadnt recieved that s&v funding they would have shut down. Then no outlet for dublin folks to have their say.


  • #28
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I mentioned that earlier. As such it should get NO money from TV licence, because there is no assurance any of it would be seen in Ireland.

    The idea of the S&V isn't unreasonable. But the funding method is not reasonable unless only content available on Terrestrial FTA is funded.
    If DCTV hadnt recieved that s&v funding they would have shut down. Then no outlet for dublin folks to have their say.
    And ALL of the country TV licence payers should fund a few Dubliners to have an "outlet" on Cable Pay TV only?

    No. That's not reasonable even if the S&V isn't TV licence funded. There is zero justification to Grant aid a Channel for one City that's on Cable only.

    There are FTA Radio and also Newspapers for Dublin Folk to have an outlet. In fact a LOT of FTA Radio.

    Also RTE is practically Dublin TV for the "rest of us".


  • #29
    101001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭101001


    watty wrote: »
    I mentioned that earlier. As such it should get NO money from TV licence, because there is no assurance any of it would be seen in Ireland.

    The idea of the S&V isn't unreasonable. But the funding method is not reasonable unless only content available on Terrestrial FTA is funded.


    And ALL of the country TV licence payers should fund a few Dubliners to have an "outlet" on Cable Pay TV only?

    No. That's not reasonable even if the S&V isn't TV licence funded. There is zero justification to Grant aid a Channel for one City that's on Cable only.

    Its also available on the internet... They have looked to broadcast on the Irish digital but have been knocked back.

    My actual point was that sound and vision funding is available for everyone to apply for. I was also merely pointing out the fact that Community TV stations put the money back into helping communities make their own video (and are seen as a non-profit, facilitation and training resource)... So everyone can have their say. I was trying to give a positive result of the funding.

    If you are so irate about it why not make a TV show about it? The delicious irony :) that facility is there for you within certain parts of Ireland. If not... set it up

    If that 10% of your licence (a licence which i think is abhorent) is not available for ALL people would you prefer it to go to RTE's coffers?


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    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    There is no real Community TV in Ireland. Channels on Cable don't count.

    Nor is an Internet Web stream Community TV, not with level of Broadband access and quality in Ireland.
    My actual point was that sound and vision funding is available for everyone to apply for.
    This is what the complaints are about. Because it's funded ENTIRELY by TV licence.

    If the S&V was funded some other way it wouldn't be as big an issue.

    You don't need to make a TV program to highlight stuff. Doing it on a minority viewed PayTV channel is particularly poor way to reach an audience.

    You don't like the TV licence. Well that doesn't justify misappropriation of it. Which is what the S&V fund is.


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  • #31
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I agree with the special case given for Community TV even if it currently on airs on UPC digital. It does not receive commercial money and is a community based project.

    I however disagree with programme producers getting Licence fee money for real pay TV stations such as Setanta. Particularly Setanta gaining access directly for in house in studio programming.

    The Community channels are must carries on UPC.

    City Channel cannot get their hands on any S&V fund, channel 6 got one show and after that the funding was taken from them as they were not an FTA channel. Setanta make the case that they go unencrypted yet such programming is only available to sky subscribers.

    However all S&V programming should be made available on each of the current set of FTA terrestrial channels.


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