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RTE Announce FTA Saorsat service

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    #1082
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Yes, RTE were very coy indeed when I spoke with them on the subject.

    They are correctly assuming nothing till performance has been verified.

    They may be very conservative on Dish size too. (Not that the size mentioned is a problem).


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    #1083
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Work must be underway on the saorsat.ie website. When you try to access http://www.saorsat.ie you get a message requiring a username and password.

    The following text appears on the login box - "The server saorsat.ie at SaorView requires a username and password".


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    #1084
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The mirror site is still up
    http://www.rte.ie/saorview/

    This site has now a mangled side bar on left
    http://www.rtenl.ie/broadcast/saorview-digital-television.html


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    #1085
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    How come RTE are being so coy about the soarsat thing? Is it because they don't want to lose income from Sky who I believe pay RTE to broadcast from thier sat? Too cynical of me?


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    #1086
    Apogee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    How come RTE are being so coy about the soarsat thing? Is it because they don't want to lose income from Sky who I believe pay RTE to broadcast from thier sat?


    Eh, no.


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    #1087
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    There is no evidence of Sky paying RTE, what do you base this belief on?

    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    How come RTE are being so coy about the soarsat thing? Is it because they don't want to lose income from Sky who I believe pay RTE to broadcast from thier sat? Too cynical of me?

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    #1088
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    So RTE allow Sky to carry their TV stations for free? What's in it for RTE?


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    #1089
    alfreg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭alfreg


    RTE dont have to pay to be on sky, thats whats in it for them.


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    #1090
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    So RTE allow Sky to carry their TV stations for free? What's in it for RTE?

    That particular question has been debated many times on many threads here, I do not think it would be helpful to take this thread off topic.

    May I take it from your answer that you have no evidence to back up your belief that RTE are paid by sky?

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    #1091
    12 element
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭12 element


    I'd say they are waiting to see if it can be received outside of Ireland with a dish >1.5m. They won't go ahead with it if it's possible.


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    #1092
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    12 element wrote: »
    . They won't go ahead with it if it's possible.

    I'm not sure what alternative they might have if they cannot reach the 2% who will not receive DTT .

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    #1093
    dmm1000
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭dmm1000


    Tony wrote: »
    That particular question has been debated many times on many threads here, I do not think it would be helpful to take this thread off topic.

    May I take it from your answer that you have no evidence to back up your belief that RTE are paid by sky?

    I'm sure the original poster (Chuck Stone) was just simply misinformed - i think its best just to lay out the facts as you more experienced folks know them - and i dont think its very helpful to "have a go" at a fellow forum member


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    #1094
    John896
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭John896


    12 element wrote: »
    I'd say they are waiting to see if it can be received outside of Ireland with a dish >1.5m. They won't go ahead with it if it's possible.

    Or a 2.4m Dish in Swansea.


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    #1095
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Firstly I'm sure Chuck can speak up for himself, secondly no one is "having a go" as you put it. I simply asked what the basis for his belief was. (he may know something we do not)

    Opinion is not necessarily fact.

    Its definitely unhelpful using such a term as "having a go" and I think you should let the moderators decide "what is best"


    dmm1000 wrote: »
    I'm sure the original poster (Chuck Stone) was just simply misinformed - i think its best just to lay out the facts as you more experienced folks know them - and i dont think its very helpful to "have a go" at a fellow forum member

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    #1096
    eco2live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭eco2live


    RTE monopoly basket case that it is has serious advertising in Ireland. If all the people in Ireland with SKY needed to switch over to the aerial to watch it then they would lose serious ratings/revenue. Makes total sense to get it out to as many people as possible.

    I am sure that the main reason they are going freesat is that it is an easy solution for people who cant get DTT.


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    #1097
    number_1
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭number_1


    The Cush wrote: »
    Work must be underway on the saorsat.ie website. When you try to access http://www.saorsat.ie you get a message requiring a username and password.

    The following text appears on the login box - "The server saorsat.ie at SaorView requires a username and password".

    A shiny new SaorVIEW website has appeared at http://www.saorsat.ie/

    Perhaps they're using that address for testing before moving it to http://www.saorview.ie/ ??


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    #1098
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Thanks for the update, I noticed they also ran a piece on six one news last night.


    number_1 wrote: »
    A shiny new SaorVIEW website has appeared at http://www.saorsat.ie/

    Perhaps they're using that address for testing before moving it to http://www.saorview.ie/ ??

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    #1099
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Saorsat page from the new Saorview website

    Late 2011 for further information.
    SAORSAT

    By October 2012 SAORVIEW will be accessible to 98% of the population. Due to topography it is not possible for the SAORVIEW service to reach 100% of population.

    Approximately 2% of the population will not be able to receive the SAORVIEW service.

    RTÉNL is currently in the process of developing and testing a free-to-air satellite service, SAORSAT, which will make it possible for 100% of the population to access Irish free-to-air digital television channels and services. This will provide coverage to the homes not covered by SAORVIEW.

    RTÉNL expect to be able to make more information publicly available about this new service in late 2011.


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    #1100
    warlikedave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭warlikedave


    Decent looking site with some good info....wonder if any more radio stations will appear on saorview/saorsat


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    #1101
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Tony wrote: »
    That particular question has been debated many times on many threads here, I do not think it would be helpful to take this thread off topic.

    May I take it from your answer that you have no evidence to back up your belief that RTE are paid by sky?

    No evidence at all - can't remember where the idea came from. I guess RTE get more exposure for their advertisements and that's why they let it be carried.

    Never mind, my mistake. Thanks for replies.


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    #1102
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Thats very true they do get more exposure.

    I dont think your post was a mistake just a different viewpoint and I hope you did not think my reply was "having a go", that was not my intention.

    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    No evidence at all - can't remember where the idea came from. I guess RTE get more exposure for their advertisements and that's why they let it be carried.

    Never mind, my mistake. Thanks for replies.

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    #1103
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Tony wrote: »
    Thats very true they do get more exposure.

    I dont think your post was a mistake just a different viewpoint and I hope you did not think my reply was "having a go", that was not my intention.


    Not at all. No worries.


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    #1104
    Apogee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Chances are whoever wrote the 'Saorsat' wikipedia entry hails from this parish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saorsat

    Perhaps the 'Soarsat' and 'Soarview' misspellings might be corrected?

    "RTÉ has not indicated which satellite or satellite orbital position Saorsat will broadcast from."

    Strictly true, but Eutelsat have already confirmed it's Ka-Sat as reported by The Cush.


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    #1105
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Anyone can edit Wiki

    I fixed the speeelinks. No idea who mistyped.

    RTE refused (even in person) to categorically publically admit it's Ka-Sat. But of course it is.

    We can fix the entry when we get the first test signal.

    There could be other mistakes still.


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    #1106
    Apogee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Given the amount of unsubstantiated supposition in the article (e.g. "dedicated spotbeam" - just one? "Saorsat is expected to be a copy of Saorview" - expected by whom?), it's odd that there is no mention of the only satellite on which the service could possibly be accomodated in the indicated timeframe. It's doubly odd when the owner of the satellite has already confirmed this in press.


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    #1107
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    See what it says now :)

    RTE has said it's a fill in and also a DTT site backup feed. That implies a Transport Stream copy using DVB-S2 modulation. Possibly even two carriers on the transponder. (Real transponders are often much larger than the Lyngsat "listed" transponder, which is often one of several carriers on same physical transponder).


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    #1108
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    A great many people I speak to are calling it Soar sat for some reason?

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    #1109
    Apogee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    See what it says now :)

    RTE has said it's a fill in and also a DTT site backup feed. That implies a Transport Stream copy using DVB-S2 modulation. Possibly even two carriers on the transponder.

    I can't recall them using the phrase "site backup feed"?

    It may well be a TS copy, but there is currently no evidence to support that. There is also the outstanding issue of whether TV3/3e will be carried on Saorsat, especially when TV3 have been so contrary so far in their attitude to Saorview.


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    #1110
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Slightly OT ...

    The "other" Ka-Band satellite that was launched late last year, Hylas-1, is now ready to enter service following the completion of in-orbit testing.
    Hylas-1 ready for business
    By Chris Forrester

    Hylas-1, the UK’s latest satellite, is ready to do business. Astrium, which built the ‘highly adaptable satellite’ says it will hand over the orbiting satellite to Avanti Communications next week having completed its in-orbit testing of the craft.

    Hylas-1 was launched back in November. “In recent months HYLAS 1 has undergone a series of tests to verify and validate the performance of its flexible payload, which is designed to allocate varying amounts of power and bandwidth to the different regions within its footprint, reacting to the highs and lows of traffic demand.”

    ...

    http://www.advanced-television.com/index.php/2011/03/17/hylas-1-ready-for-business/

    and a mention for Ka-Sat
    and also the massive Ka-Sat craft from Eutelsat which is now undergoing its final in-orbit tests.

    And as we begin to get our head around Ka-Band technology, others are thinking beyond that to Q-band (30GHz to 50GHz) and even V-band (50GHz to 75GHz)
    Meanwhile, satellite companies will continue to gain aggregate capacity by engaging the higher microwave frequencies, as well as by dividing their footprint into larger numbers of beam areas. Higher frequencies increase data transmission rate, with another advantage in the case of satellite being smaller beam size, reducing the antenna dimensions. But again, like wired transmission, high-frequency transmission requires more sophisticated electronics at either end. In the case of satellite, signals at higher frequencies need more accurate antennas to cope with the smaller spot size and additional signal processing to cope with greater susceptibility to signal fading in heavy rain.

    But the challenges are being solved, and Ka-band in the range of 26.5GHz to 40GHz is being investigated for both local video distribution and wider contribution. In the future, even higher bands will be used, such as Q-band in the range of 30GHz to 50GHz and even V-band at 50GHz to 75GHz. Indeed, the Alphasat I-XL satellite to be operated by Inmarsat and due for launch in 2012 will experiment with transmission in the Q- and V-bands.

    These new bands will enable satellites to expand their services in emerging markets, particularly the maritime areas around Europe, where the density of both merchant and passenger shipping is greater than elsewhere. Here, for example, Telenor Satellite Broadcasting has recently decided to launch a new satellite to serve the busy shipping lanes of the North Sea, the Baltic area and the Mediterranean with services in the Ka-band.

    The future, then, for satellite is bringing a declining proportion of broadband and video communications in more densely populated areas, but increasingly serving areas where wires cannot reach, including for newsgathering and maritime services as well as fast-growing markets outside the video sphere, such as in machine-to-machine communications.

    http://broadcastengineering.com/news/satellite-operators-target-emerging-markets-make-up-lost-revenue-20110307/


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    #1111
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Apogee wrote: »
    I can't recall them using the phrase "site backup feed"?

    It may well be a TS copy, but there is currently no evidence to support that. There is also the outstanding issue of whether TV3/3e will be carried on Saorsat, especially when TV3 have been so contrary so far in their attitude to Saorview.

    Definite on the Backup feed for sites. There is no evidence that Saorsat is a separate charge. It's definitely not a Freesat/Freeview scenario. The Saorsat just a very tall mast for Saorview to fill in missing coverage.

    I'd not pay any mind to TV3 or the Newspapers. At the end of the day there is nothing stopping TV3 ignoring BAI and DTT and analogue and being a pay TV station only. They will make that decision purely on revenue vs costs.

    I'm in the peculiar situation too where some things I know must be true, RTE won't confirm, and other things have been confirmed officially but I can't publicise them, or also some perhaps stretch my credulity...

    Another 3 months or so and we will know more.

    It seems too that RTE are being cautious about EIRP/Dish Size and N.I. Coverage until real on the ground signal tests have been done.

    I guess maybe Intelsat 907 is part of reason. Lovely Ireland and UK footprint. But apparently the power levels are hopelessly optimistic.

    Also there is the issue of Uplink power and location, I don't fully understand that on Ka-Sat as there are no published details of interspot muliplexing.


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