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Counillor to make formal complaint to Gardai about Ming.

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  • #122
    FTGFOP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,389 ✭✭✭FTGFOP


    Don't like Cannabis. Fully pro legalising it.






    Full disclosure: I have shares in Dominos.


  • #123
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    I never realised how close to reality Judge Dredd actually was. I fear that any day now I will wake up in Mega-City one.


  • #124
    StephenHendry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    fair play to ming, at least he was honest enough to admit that he smokes the odd joint, hasn't he already been caution by the gardai and that he has refused to pay the fine,


    anyway your man is a typical ff gombeen who really hasn't a clue about the real issue on drugs , we need to have a proper debate on drugs , not the mass hysteria surrounding the head shops thinking by banning would solve the problem , i mean in countries like holland cannabis is legalised and is less serious than other drugs such as cocaine


  • #125
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    karma_ wrote: »
    You should come down from that big ol' ivory tower from time to time.

    Umm, that makes no sense. Sorry.
    mikom wrote: »
    The openess of it may have something to do with it.
    Rather than the usual politicians way of circle-jerking in closets.

    There's probably something to that. It's slightly depressing though, to think that we would laud people for breaking the law, as long as they're doing so openly.


  • #126
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo


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  • #127
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    120_Minutes wrote: »
    I may be breaking the law, but I believe the law to be wrong

    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:


  • #128
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    There's a victim there.
    Try again...

    For my next act I will leap the Grand canyon.


  • #129
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:
    Right, so smoking a recreational substance is the same thing as forcible rape?

    And with that we've crossed the rubicon into the domain of the insane!


  • #130
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    There's a victim in rape, it's less apparent who suffers from drugtaking, particularly in the case of marijuana.


  • #131
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Einhard wrote: »
    It's slightly depressing though, to think that we would laud people for breaking the law, as long as they're doing so openly.

    Ummm..
    Mr Coonan said cannabis had "harmful side effects".
    "I know one of the most serious side effects of cannabis is depression.


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  • #132
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Einhard wrote: »
    There's probably something to that. It's slightly depressing though, to think that we would laud people for breaking the law, as long as they're doing so openly.

    This Lawful neutral act is tiring.


  • #133
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    Fair enough, but as long as you realise that makes you a sexual predator and pretty much a sexist, we only want to enjoy a joint from time to time.


  • #134
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    Not only is there a victim there but Ming doesn't go around saying rape should be legal and thats why you should vote for him.


  • #135
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    k_mac wrote: »
    And you'd be happy to have that doctor work on you after a night smoking pot?

    I don't smoke weed but I have done so in the past and on any of the times I have smoked I've conked out after a few joints. I certainly don't think it's something you could spend the night doing and the "hangover" from smoking pot is a lot less severe than drinking for the night.

    Ming grows his own and smokes it, he's certainly not adding to any of societies woes or lining the pockets of any undesirables.


  • #136
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    False equivalence, but you know that, right?


  • #137
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    Every single day i see lawbreakers with their cars parked with 2 wheels up on the footpath, partially obstructing pedestrain access.
    And yet, the Gardia don't do anything.
    Quick, lets get a lynching party!

    Nobody is arguing that people should be allowed park their cars wherever they want. You though, are arguing that people should eb allowed to break whatever laws they disagree with. Ironically, you're on the side of those people that annoy you by obstructing pedestrian access...

    And please, can we keep it real here? Nobody has suggested that Ming be lynched. If the law is changed- wonderful, happy days for Ming. Until it is changed though, I don't think it's too much to ask that legislators obey the damn thing!


  • #138
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Einhard wrote: »
    Nobody is arguing that people should be allowed park their cars wherever they want. You though, are arguing that people should eb allowed to break whatever laws they disagree with. Ironically, you're on the side of those people that annoy you by obstructing pedestrian access...
    moving goalposts?
    I said they were parking their cars with 2 wheels on the footpath, not "wherever they want".
    It is specifically against the law, yet goes unpunished. WHY?


  • #139
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    RichieC wrote: »
    not all concerns are legitimate, all you prohibitionists do is leave weed for criminal gangs to profit from, where legitimate tax paying businesses could be.

    Umm, that's a slightly disturbing sentiment. I prefer to believe that all laws passed by a democratic institution are legitimate.

    And to point out the hypocrisy of alcohol being legal is certainly uncomfortable for you prohibitionists it's still quite certainly a compelling argument.
    It's not a compelling argument at all. You point out that alcohol is a legal social evil, and from that argue that weed should also be legal. That's a pretty crappy argument to make.


  • #140
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    k_mac wrote: »
    Why didn't you say so? Well I'm off raping so. I know it's technically illegal but I dont believe women should have the right to say no.:rolleyes:

    stupid post is incredibly stupid, as others have pointed out.

    that argument cant be used in the case of rape. it can with smoking a joint.


    and here comes the godwin, 4 pages in:

    The nazis passed laws to curtail the rights of jews in prewar germany. now, i'm not directly comparing jews to stoners, but a bad law is a bad law. and should you stand idly by and allow bad laws to be passed and enforced, or do you speak out? are we in a dictatorship?

    anyone of sound mind knows that rape is wrong, and laws against it are good.

    try again mac.


  • #141
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    moving goalposts?
    I said they were parking their cars with 2 wheels on the footpath, not "wherever they want".
    It is specifically against the law, yet goes unpunished. WHY?

    It shouldn't go unpunished. Nobody is saying it should go unpunished! But what people here are arguing, is that if people don't wish to obey such a law, they don't have to, and what's more, shouldn't be prosecuted for it! Even those idiots parking that way wouldn't have the arrogance to claim that they're above the law. yet that's exactly what Ming is claiming, and what you're supporting.


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  • #142
    Craebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭Craebear


    Einhard wrote: »
    Until it is changed though, I don't think it's too much to ask that legislators obey the damn thing!

    I find myself wondering this. Imagine it's 1990 again, homosexuality is illegal. Would you say that a gay politician should stop being gay or face persecution?

    I know the comparison is a bit wonky, but the point is : Illegal is not the same as wrong.


  • #143
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    Einhard wrote: »

    And please, can we keep it real here? Nobody has suggested that Ming be lynched. If the law is changed- wonderful, happy days for Ming. Until it is changed though, I don't think it's too much to ask that legislators obey the damn thing!

    Well, perhaps he is.

    From Murdoch's Irish Law Dictionary...(Murdochs 2nd Edition.)

    NATURAL LAW: The Law which is based on value judgements which emenate from some absolute source eg, Gods revealed word. Natural Law is both anterior and superior to positive law or man made Law. There are many personal rights of the citizen which follow from the Christian and democratic nature of the State which are not mentioned in Article 40 of the 1937 Constitution at all.

    (Murdochs 2nd Edition.)

    NATURAL RIGHTS: Rights which come from the Natural Law. Natural rights or Human rights are not created by law but the Constitution confirms their existance and gives them protection. The individual has Natural and Human rights over which the State has no authority.


  • #144
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Einhard wrote: »
    I prefer to believe that all laws passed by a democratic institution are legitimate.

    And some people believe there's a god up there but that doesn't make them right.


  • #145
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    Einhard wrote: »
    Alternative translation: People have little to be worried about if they go after those who break the law.

    Seriously, Ming has a chance now to change the laws on cannabis. Until he succeeds (or not), I'm not happy having a legislator openly breaking the law. I don't understand how people can condemn other politicians for their misdemeanours and then applaud when another breaks the law.

    because this law is a pure farce, cannabis was banned to make way for synthetic fibres and to stop interfering with other industries, the world was told thc would send you crazy and America forced us all to ban the plant yet we now have big pharma extracting the very same thc, putting it in a pill and selling it at a price of about £10 gbp per day for effective treatment.

    treating us all like children will not work anymore, I didn't believe them 16 years ago and a lot more people have woken up to their ways since


  • #146
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    mikom wrote: »
    There's a victim there.
    Try again...

    For my next act I will leap the Grand canyon.

    Since when is cannabis a victimless crime?


  • #147
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Since when is cannabis a victimless crime?

    Since you grow and smoke your own.


  • #148
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    karma_ wrote: »
    And some people believe there's a god up there but that doesn't make them right.

    :confused:

    Seriously, dumb retorts tend to undermine any argument you might make...


  • #149
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Since when is cannabis a victimless crime?

    planting and smoking your own is pretty victimless


  • #150
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Since when is cannabis a victimless crime?


    Who is victimised when I smoke a joint?


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  • #151
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    whoopdedoo wrote: »
    because this law is a pure farce, cannabis was banned to make way for synthetic fibres and to stop interfering with other industries, the world was told thc would send you crazy and America forced us all to ban the plant yet we now have big pharma extracting the very same thc, putting it in a pill and selling it at a price of about £10 gbp per day for effective treatment.

    treating us all like children will not work anymore, I didn't believe them 16 years ago and a lot more people have woken up to their ways since

    Well great. And now Ming has a chance to change the law. It's called democracy. Until it's changed though, is it too much to ask that people obey legislation passed by a democratic institution?


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