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Counillor to make formal complaint to Gardai about Ming.

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  • #62
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    It was reported earlier in the week that bertie spent 220,000 doing up his office. Thats theft and fraud of the states expense of the highest order. No way should it cost 220000 euro. Im guessing an estimate for renovating a room shouldn't cost more than 5000. There is 215,000 in expenses gone where? What did bertie have in his office that cost 220000 euro? a nightclub perhaps?

    Office of Public Works were responsible here, they signed off the costs and approved it

    I wouldn't say Bertie is responsible here(there are a hundred other things to charge him with but not this one), Martin Mansergh is the man you want
    The Office of Public Works defended the costs of the refitting at the time and said it represented the current market rate.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0316/ahernb.html


  • #63
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    karma_ wrote: »
    Cannabis, it's not that it's illegal, it's that it's brilliant. Everyone should be made to smoke it and in fairness there's a few posters on AH who are in dire need of a joint or two.

    No it's not brilliant. It's ****. It turns people into annoying useless morons who can't be bothered to wipe their own arses.


  • #64
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    k_mac wrote: »
    No it's not brilliant. It's ****. It turns people into annoying useless morons who can't be bothered to wipe their own arses.

    Stupid post is stupid.


  • #65
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    Office of Public Works were responsible here, they signed off the costs and approved it

    I wouldn't say Bertie is responsible here(there are a hundred other things to charge him with but not this one), Martin Mansergh is the man you want


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0316/ahernb.html

    Thanks for that.
    But bertie ahern still allowed this to go ahead.
    Another example of bertie thiefery i learned earlier in the week is that he spent 250000 euro on make up in one year. No way should make up cost almost the same as a mortgage.


  • #66
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    karma_ wrote: »
    Stupid post is stupid.

    Clearly you went to an elite debating school.:rolleyes: How about deal with the point he made rather than dismiss it.

    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.


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  • #67
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Thanks for that.
    But bertie ahern still allowed this to go ahead.
    Another example of bertie thiefery i learned earlier in the week is that he spent 250000 euro on make up in one year. No way should make up cost almost the same as a mortgage.

    What has bertie got to do with Ming? Stay on topic and stop fogging the issue!


  • #68
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Clearly you went to an elite debating school. How about deal with the point he made rather than dismiss it.

    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.

    Me debate? He thinks people who smoke an odd joint are incapable of wiping their own arses, but sure feel free to skip that post and light on the next guy.


  • #69
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I think Ming is a bit of a legend, but the law is the law, no matter how dumb a person thinks it is, and if he's breaking it, why should he be immune from prosecution?


  • #70
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Einhard wrote: »
    I think Ming is a bit of a legend, but the law is the law, no matter how dumb a person thinks it is, and if he's breaking it, why should he be immune from prosecution?

    He's not, but that's part of the whole point of his strategy.


  • #71
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    karma_ wrote: »
    Me debate? He thinks people who smoke an odd joint are incapable of wiping their own arses, but sure feel free to skip that post and light on the next guy.

    And hes right. Those that are high on the drug tend to become incapacitated while on it and those that are long term users tend to become wasters. It is much like alcohol.


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  • #72
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.
    Ming Flanaghan:
    - started out contesting a seat at the Dail in 1997 in Galway West, lost.
    - contested a seat at the European Parliment in 1999, lost.
    - contested a Dial seat in 2002, lost
    - won a seat to Roscomon County Council in 2004
    - became Mayor of Roscommon in 2010
    - won a seat in the Dail in 2011

    Always running on a legalise cannibis platform.
    That my friend, shows more bottle, more go-getter than any of your millionaire FF, FG candidates coming from their fathers political dynasty's.

    Well done Ming!


  • #73
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    k_mac wrote: »
    No it's not brilliant. It's ****. It turns people into annoying useless morons who can't be bothered to wipe their own arses.

    Like alcohol?

    I went for a walk yesterday to be greeted by a drunk falling down at my feet at 3 in the afternoon.

    I dont smoke cannabis myself but anyone i know who smokes it, its done recreationally. Its so valuable its simply notto be wasted. Some people may have some image that if cannabis was legalised people would be walking around with joints hanging out from their mouths every day. Some people may enjoy going to the cinema, or for a meal out, for enjoyment. Recreational cannabis users would be just this. A joint one or twice a week for winddown time and enjoyment.


  • #74
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Clearly you went to an elite debating school.:rolleyes: How about deal with the point he made rather than dismiss it.
    Deal with the point that all dope smokers are useless morons, who don't clean their asses?

    Seriously?
    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.

    The irony of that statement in a thread about a pot-smoking TD.


  • #75
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Clearly you went to an elite debating school.:rolleyes: How about deal with the point he made rather than dismiss it.

    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.

    I know a lawyer and a doctor who smoke dope. I don't smoke and I'm unemployed.

    Well **** anyway.


  • #76
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    And hes right. Those that are high on the drug tend to become incapacitated while on it and those that are long term users tend to become wasters. It is much like alcohol.

    He's so obviously not right, considering the focal point of the debate is a guy who has spent 10 years building up a reputation and plugging away to get elected to the Dail. In fact he couldn't be more wrong if he tried.

    It also sounds like you have absolutely no idea of the effects of smoking a joint. Suggest you try, you never even know you might even like it.


  • #77
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    "Gerry Ryan was a fantastic broadcaster but, unfortunately, he is not with us anymore. I'm not comparing Ming to anybody -- but Gerry Ryan is an unfortunate case and point of what illegal drugs can do."

    Comparing an honest hardworking man, who is open about his cannabis use and grows his own and doesnt contribute to drug gangs to a smug hypocrite who did. FAIL.

    Ming is a criminal simply because an old, outdated and frankly stupid law with no basis in fact (challenge me on this if you wish, its what i believe) says he is.

    Bertie and his cronies actually did the country and its people harm


    Now who do you think should face jail time?

    This is a non issue from an attention seeking FF idiot and if anyone has any sense at all it will blow over.


  • #78
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    karma_ wrote: »
    He's not, but that's part of the whole point of his strategy.

    So why is there such a big bruhaha when when he's prosecuted for breaking the law? I didn't realise that obeying laws is voluntary.


  • #79
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    What has bertie got to do with Ming? Stay on topic and stop fogging the issue!

    Im just saying both broke the law. One with drugs, the other thiefery. Why go after one and not the other? Hypocrites and nothing but.


  • #80
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Im just saying both broke the law. One with drugs, the other thiefery. Why go after one and not the other? Hypocrites and nothing but.

    It isn't a case of either/or though. Why not go after both?


  • #81
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    karma_ wrote: »
    Cannabis, it's not that it's illegal, it's that it's brilliant. Everyone should be made to smoke it and in fairness there's a few posters on AH who are in dire need of a joint or two.

    True this. it washes the dull and bitter out after only a few tokes.


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  • #82
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Einhard wrote: »
    So why is there such a big bruhaha when when he's prosecuted for breaking the law? I didn't realise that obeying laws is voluntary.

    The bruhaha is conjured up by those opposed to him, not those who think he's right.


  • #83
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Clearly you went to an elite debating school.:rolleyes: How about deal with the point he made rather than dismiss it.

    I can't say I know a pot head thats a go-getter, in fact I'd say they're all wasters actually.


    I'm a pot head, i've just got a transfer to a new job because i sought it out and worked to get it, and it has plenty of scope for promotion and i have a personal plan in place for where i want to be in the next 5 years. am i a waster?

    FAIL sir, FAIL.

    i'll use the same meet the parents line i used in the last cannabis argument thread.....

    "anything that has nipples can be milked"

    " i have nipples greg, can you milk me?"

    saying all stoners are wasters is a LIE. FULL STOP.


  • #84
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    karma_ wrote: »
    The bruhaha is conjured up by those opposed to him, not those who think he's right.

    Eh, no it's not. It's not a bruhaha to seek the enforcement of an existing law. And yet we have many people here objecting to it. Do you think it's ok to break the law just because you think you're in the right?


  • #85
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    It isn't a case of either/or though. Why not go after both?

    Exactly!
    But some people are currently more focused on prosecuting Ming than Bertie.


  • #86
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    Ming Flanaghan:
    - started out contesting a seat at the Dail in 1997 in Galway West, lost.
    - contested a seat at the European Parliment in 1999, lost.
    - contested a Dial seat in 2002, lost
    - won a seat to Roscomon County Council in 2004
    - became Mayor of Roscommon in 2010
    - won a seat in the Dail in 2011

    Always running on a legalise cannibis platform.
    That my friend, shows more bottle, more go-getter than any of your millionaire FF, FG candidates coming from their fathers political dynasty's.

    Well done Ming!

    I don't know Ming personally.

    Of the people I do, yes there are successful people I know that smoke recreationally maybe at a party or whatever. Of those I know who are more frequent users in the order of at least once a week or at weekends, they are college drop outs, unemployed or are doing menial tasks that are way below what I know they are capable of. When they stated smoking they all lost their drive and enthusiasm.


  • #87
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    Those that are high on the drug tend to become incapacitated while on it and those that are long term users tend to become wasters.

    We live in a world of diminishing resources, over-production and impending ecological disasters.

    We need more wasters.

    Go-getters have a moral imperative to take up the herb.


  • #88
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Did you know that when Ming was Mayor of Rocommon, he proposed that his "Mayoral Allowance" be halved, and many of his other allowances be abolished entirely.
    But i guess the proposal met with a "mixed reception" from the rest of the council.

    When elected to Dáil Éireann he vowed to take a 50 per cent salary cut and urged his fellow TDs to follow suit.

    Do you think they will? (fat chance!)

    We need more Ming's please.


  • #89
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    Did you know that when Ming was Mayor of Rocommon, he proposed that his "Mayoral Allowance" be halved, and many of his other allowances be abolished entirely. But i guess the proposal met with a "mixed reception" from the rest of the council.

    When elected to Dáil Éireann he vowed to take a 50 per cent salary cut and urged his fellow TDs to follow suit.

    Do you think they will? (fat chance!)

    He'll certainly be targeted by the old guard if he starts making a stink about cutting his wages.


  • #90
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Einhard wrote: »
    Eh, no it's not. It's not a bruhaha to seek the enforcement of an existing law. And yet we have many people here objecting to it. Do you think it's ok to break the law just because you think you're in the right?

    Yes.

    I smoke the odd joint so why would I want to punish Ming for the same thing?

    I also always bear in mind that rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.


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  • #91
    MagicSean
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    karma_ wrote: »
    Me debate? He thinks people who smoke an odd joint are incapable of wiping their own arses, but sure feel free to skip that post and light on the next guy.

    I'm only commenting on what I've seen.
    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Like alcohol?

    I went for a walk yesterday to be greeted by a drunk falling down at my feet at 3 in the afternoon.

    I dont smoke cannabis myself but anyone i know who smokes it, its done recreationally. Its so valuable its simply notto be wasted. Some people may have some image that if cannabis was legalised people would be walking around with joints hanging out from their mouths every day. Some people may enjoy going to the cinema, or for a meal out, for enjoyment. Recreational cannabis users would be just this. A joint one or twice a week for winddown time and enjoyment.

    I don't drink often and when I do I don't go out to get wasted. I don't need to introduce a chemical stimulant to have some fun.
    Snakeblood wrote: »
    I know a lawyer and a doctor who smoke dope. I don't smoke and I'm unemployed.

    Well **** anyway.

    And you'd be happy to have that doctor work on you after a night smoking pot?


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