Sanity check :D Mame arcade replace with candy cab ?

ondafly · 14-03-2011 01:25PM #1

a long time ago I built the following

Fairly well spec'd except for the crappy work on the speaker covers and monitor size. Its served its purpose well though, and the Sanwa bits and bobs all work perfectly.

However ever since I was in super potato / pics below from the top floor

I've wanted a candy cab - preferably one with working yen coin mech etc (i still have tonnes of yen coins). Now this is where my own arcade knowledge becomes limited.
I would like to have the option to pop in a PCB in the future of Sunset Riders or Bubble Bobble, or even an MVS unit. Can this all be done
without have to change wiring looms constantly ?

Finally what sort of prices would I be looking at for a Astro City cab for instance ?

or - am I completely mad and should I stick with what I have ?

PS - at the moment this is a bit of a pipe dream, and I would also need to find a home for my existing cab

Hygro · 14-03-2011 01:33PM

how much wouldya be selling your cab for and what are the dimensions ... looks like a big 'un :pac:

o1s1n · 14-03-2011 01:34PM

I remember when you made that cab! Must be a while ago now?

Definitely get a candy. They're the nicest cabs in the universe.

You don't see many in Ireland, but Mitchomagic had some for sale. Not sure if he has any left.

As for price, my Atomiswave SD cost €600. Which I think was very reasonable.

And yep, they're set up for JAMMA. (Well my one is anyway). So Neo Geo MVS, Sunset Riders and other JAMMA pcbs aren't a problem.

Andrew76 · 14-03-2011 01:35PM

I'm not sure how you would have multiple PCBs/MVS Unit and a Mame PC all connected at once without having to switch the Jamma loom between each. I've certainly connected each of the above to my cab but only one at a time when testing things initially. There's also not a huge amount of space to play with inside them. Mitchomagic and purplec are much better placed to answer than me though.

Prices could range anywhere from €600 to €800 or above depending on whether it has a single or two player control panel and it's overall condition ofcourse.

ondafly · 14-03-2011 03:08PM

Hygro wrote: »

how much wouldya be selling your cab for and what are the dimensions ... looks like a big 'un :pac:

won't be for sale - I have someone in mind, who I'll be donating it to. If they don't take it, I'll probably throw it up on adverts as a freebie. Dimension wise, its setup at the perfect height for me, but its not deep, as I fitted an LCD instead of a CRT.

It was very cheap to build and I used this website as a guide
http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/eng/stepprojectmame.htm

o1s1n wrote: »

I remember when you made that cab! Must be a while ago now?

Definitely get a candy. They're the nicest cabs in the universe.

You don't see many in Ireland, but Mitchomagic had some for sale. Not sure if he has any left.

As for price, my Atomiswave SD cost €600. Which I think was very reasonable.

And yep, they're set up for JAMMA. (Well my one is anyway). So Neo Geo MVS, Sunset Riders and other JAMMA pcbs aren't a problem.

July 2008 - good memory O1s1in. I'll send Mitch a PM and see what the story is so.

Is there an adapter to go AES to MVS ? as I have a few AES games too, and it would be sweet to play them on a cab.

Andrew76 wrote: »

I'm not sure how you would have multiple PCBs/MVS Unit and a Mame PC all connected at once without having to switch the Jamma loom between each. I've certainly connected each of the above to my cab but only one at a time when testing things initially. There's also not a huge amount of space to play with inside them. Mitchomagic and purplec are much better placed to answer than me though.

Prices could range anywhere from €600 to €800 or above depending on whether it has a single or two player control panel and it's overall condition ofcourse.

Cheers Andrew - I guess as long as its do-able I'll be happy enough, even a small form factor pc ? would that fit in amongst it all ?

Finally I've seen a couple of videos on Youtube etc, of guys running Xbox360s through these - how exactly is that accomplished ? or is it a case of completely hacking the unit together ?

Andrew76 · 14-03-2011 03:19PM

ondafly wrote: »

Cheers Andrew - I guess as long as its do-able I'll be happy enough, even a small form factor pc ? would that fit in amongst it all ?

Finally I've seen a couple of videos on Youtube etc, of guys running Xbox360s through these - how exactly is that accomplished ? or is it a case of completely hacking the unit together ?

Yeah you'll get a small pc in there no hassle, just if you wanted tons of different stuff it could be an issue. Probably better off removing the innards of the pc and screwing it to the board inside the cab.

Not sure at all about the Xbox360 - no idea how you would get the 360 to display on that lovely arcade screen (why you'd want to is another issue, each to their own I guess), same with the controls - not sure how that would work.

o1s1n · 14-03-2011 03:20PM

You're out of luck on the AES to MVS converter. They only go the other way (MVS > AES) as AES carts are the more expensive ones so nobody runs them in cabs.

The space is limited inside candys, but it's not that bad. You could strip down a pc to its componants and fit it in there.

As for running other things, it's a case by case basis. For example I have a hacked JAMMA Megadrive and a ps1&ps2 > JAMMA adater.

The Atomiswave SD has an interesting feature where there's a VGA input for the monitor. So you could rig up a Dreamcast or a 360 with a 360 > VGA adapter. Although I'm pretty sure there are complete kits you can get for the 360 so the control panel is usable too.

purplec · 14-03-2011 04:14PM

getting a 360 to run in a cab is very easy.

get a 360 with a vga out cable set the screen to 31khz and set the 360 to 480 p.

get an old 360 pad and pad hack it your buttons.

job done and to be honest not too hard.

A Sega Naomi is probably one of the best candys out there and they are real is easy to move around. I have 2 fully setup and a project naomi that im thinking about giving an MVS motif with a ne paint job.

dont discount the Naomi:)

ondafly · 14-03-2011 05:12PM

great info folks - I just didn't want to limit myself, if I go candy cab. Really want one now :pac:

o1s1n · 14-03-2011 05:17PM

Doooooooooo it

The only problem being one is never enough. They look so lonely by themselves.

ondafly · 14-03-2011 05:41PM

sadly I live in an apartment, so 1 is probably all I could probably fit. If I had a house, I would probably do away with the need for a "dining room", and just fill it with cabs

I'll be the best in the world though - if I can get it playing Magical Drop 2:p

o1s1n · 14-03-2011 07:06PM

ondafly wrote: »

sadly I live in an apartment, so 1 is probably all I could probably fit. If I had a house, I would probably do away with the need for a "dining room", and just fill it with cabs

I'll be the best in the world though - if I can get it playing Magical Drop 2:p

Ah Magical Drop 2...that game looks innocent and cute, but a two player game is one of the most vicious things I've ever experienced!

CiDeRmAn · 14-03-2011 09:35PM

Regarding "Sanity", please watch, especially up at around 2:00, but do watch the whole thing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfiBMRDc5Y

K.O.Kiki · 15-03-2011 03:59AM

An cleaner alternative to a 360 padhack (hateful pads they are!), wait until AkihabaraShop.jp has new stock of the PS360 PCB, then wire everything together with DB25 Breakout Boards (get them on eBay).

ondafly · 15-03-2011 10:08AM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

An cleaner alternative to a 360 padhack (hateful pads they are!), wait until AkihabaraShop.jp has new stock of the PS360 PCB, then wire everything together with DB25 Breakout Boards (get them on eBay).

Cheers for that - it would be great to play Death Smilies on it.

So lads - anyone want to part with their Taito Egret/Astro City/Atomiswave !?

ondafly · 17-03-2011 09:20PM

or

does anyone have links to sites who sell candy cabs ? I've had a look through arcadeotaku.com but they seem a little pricey.

purplec · 17-03-2011 09:41PM

Mitch has one atomiswave left I believe and it looks really well, the other alternative is Ronnie in holland who will ship on a pallet for about 220 euro.

Ronnie has loads of different machines but it can be hit and miss and you are also at the mercy of your courier.

You said you live in an apartment is there a lift because a candy cab is about 100 ~120 kg and then you have door issues

o1s1n · 17-03-2011 09:46PM

purplec wrote: »

You said you live in an apartment is there a lift because a candy cab is about 100 ~120 kg and then you have door issues

I was worried about that myself, so checked the lift weight where I live. I thought it might only just be able to take the weight of a candy, but it seems it can far surpass it! Up to 675kg. I'd imagine most apartment block lifts should hopefully be something similar.

Andrew76 · 17-03-2011 10:02PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I was worried about that myself, so checked the lift weight where I live. I thought it might only just be able to take the weight of a candy, but it seems it can far surpass it! Up to 675kg. I'd imagine most apartment block lifts should hopefully be something similar.

Heheh I think he meant you need a lift to carry it in rather than trying to carry it up a load of stairs. :P

Most lifts are around the 600+kg mark, 6-8 (heavy) ppl usually.

/Takes off lift-expert hat.

purplec · 17-03-2011 10:02PM

o1s1n wrote: »

I was worried about that myself, so checked the lift weight where I live. I thought it might only just be able to take the weight of a candy, but it seems it can far surpass it! Up to 675kg. I'd imagine most apartment block lifts should hopefully be something similar.

Hey Oisin your right most modern lifts will take about 650 Kg and a safety factor of 20% but if there is no lift 100 kgs is a pain to be lifting up and down a stairs.

Let's just assume a lift is not an issue eh

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purplec · 17-03-2011 10:10PM

Andrew76 wrote: »

Heheh I think he meant you need a lift to carry it in rather than trying to carry it up a load of stairs. :P

Most lifts are around the 600+kg mark, 6-8 (heavy) ppl usually.

/Takes off lift-expert hat.

Ha you beat me to it, maneuvering through door ways is the reall tricky part in my opinion.

Andrew76 · 17-03-2011 10:22PM

purplec wrote: »

Ha you beat me to it, maneuvering through door ways is the reall tricky part in my opinion.

Aye true and at least the control panel comes off so that helps a fair bit.

purplec · 17-03-2011 10:35PM

On some of them:eek::mad:

o1s1n · 17-03-2011 10:41PM

Oh haha sorry purplec. It didn't dawn on me that some apartment blocks don't have lifts. That'd be a nightmare!

purplec · 17-03-2011 10:54PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Oh haha sorry purplec. It didn't dawn on me that some apartment blocks don't have lifts. That'd be a nightmare!

If you want it though you gotta feel the burn lol:D

ondafly · 18-03-2011 05:38PM

luckily folks - I live on the ground floor, and I've measured the door widths etc and I should be fine. Sure I've even managed to get the roof off my car into the apartment

purplec wrote: »

Mitch has one atomiswave left I believe and it looks really well, the other alternative is Ronnie in holland who will ship on a pallet for about 220 euro.

Cheers for that PurpleC - do you have a site for Ronnie ? or does anyone know of actual websites that sell them on ? I believe theres one on the way from a guy on arcadeotaku, but that could be months away.

Jack burton · 18-03-2011 11:17PM

Well if you need a hand lifting dont worry, I have a vest and I'm not afraid to use it.

I'd like to get a candy cab myself shortly, be nice to see where they can be sorced. I'm just going to assume that someone here will get all the ones mitch and others have for sale here before me

ondafly · 23-03-2011 02:48PM

update:

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Sega New Astro City, I'm waiting on pics of it. I believe it is a dual sync monitor,

So a couple of questions
- am I limiting myself longterm with the New Astro City ? (bear in mind the are exactly what I'm looking for - see OP for pics )
- is it easy enough to change at a later stage to a tri-sync.
- can the dual sync run xbox360/ps3 ? I've seen a dreamcast working perfectly

Just trying to cover all the angles really, chances are I'll go down teh road of a jamma harness and possible a multigame cart, but I'd like to have the option of more options :pac:

o1s1n · 23-03-2011 02:51PM

ondafly wrote: »

update:

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Sega New Astro City, I'm waiting on pics of it. I believe it is a dual sync monitor,

Nice!!! Is it domestic or are you importing?

ondafly wrote: »

So a couple of questions
- am I limiting myself longterm with the New Astro City ? (bear in mind the are exactly what I'm looking for - see OP for pics )
- is it easy enough to change at a later stage to a tri-sync.
- can the dual sync run xbox360/ps3 ? I've seen a dreamcast working perfectly

Just trying to cover all the angles really, chances are I'll go down teh road of a jamma harness and possible a multigame cart, but I'd like to have the option of more options :pac:

It would be damn expensive to replace that monitor. Have you seen an Astro City running a Dreamcast yeah? That means it was hooked up via VGA so should support a 360..although don't quote me on that!

ondafly · 24-03-2011 11:37AM

so I'm having a bit of a 20mm hiccup

I had measured all doorways into the apartment, but forgot to measure the one door, that leads to the room where I want the cabinet to go ! Anyway it looks to be 20mm short of the width I need.

However after a bit of research online, I discoverd the following pic (its large, so gonna link to it) of an New Astro city being resprayed etc.

http://www.arcade4home.com/NewAstroCity/side-1.jpg

Anyway - in that picture the lower panel is removed, which includes the control panel. The top bezel is also removed. I'm wondering would it be possible for me to do the same, but leave the monitor in place ? and anything else inside the cabinet also in place.

And does anyone thing that the width in that picture (side on) is less than 730mm ?

BTW I have asked the seller these same questions, but just looking for a 2nd opinion.

Andrew76 · 24-03-2011 11:48AM

The main question to ask is does the control panel come off, because if it does it should easily fit through any standard door width (with the monitor frame cover still in place). That's how I got mine into the house anyway.

Sanity check :D Mame arcade replace with candy cab ?

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