Why is there so many lowlifes in Dublin

robbie7730 wrote: »

Of course there are, but the op`s friend was attacked in dublin, so thats the likely place to be asked about in the OP. Also you said your sick of people slagging off the irish, every county in ireland is irish.

sorry I don't get your point

hondasam wrote: »

sorry I don't get your point

Ok, you said this,

hondasam wrote: »

I'm sick of people slagging of the Irish, everyday on here we have someone who is complaining. just because one person in the country spits at a non national I'm supposed to be ashamed and shocked well I'm neither.

I said the OP simply said dublin had lots of scum bags, then you said this,

hondasam wrote: »

There are scum bags in every county in Ireland

My point is, your saying your sick of people slagging the irish, the OP was saying dublin has loads of scum bags, where does slagging off the irish come into it, he is slagging dublin if anything, although all i seen the OP do was mention it has loads of scum bags, i think it does too, and plenty of decent people of course, more decent than scum bags

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well I am not arguing. Dublin has highest population in Ireland so most of the country's happens here But i noticed since the past few years it got more more nastiness than usual maybe its recession. A good few Irish people are racist that is normal you get racism anywhere or any kind. It's normal to feel ashamed of what ever its being human it doesn't mean you are, feelings are not facts.

So you just feel the attack on your friend was racially motivated, you have no solid fact is was a racist motivated attack. But you feel ashamed because the guy was racist but you still don't know it was a racist motivated attack. :rolleyes:

southsiderosie wrote: »

OK, see from a foreign perspective, this seems totally backwards. People generally pay a lot of money to live somewhere that is high quality and safe. Unfortunately, those tend to be areas further away from the urban center. People pay less to live in inner-city areas where there is a lot of crime and social disorder - in the US, we call them "urban pioneers". Generally there is a trade-off between neighborhood cost and neighborhood calm, but that doesn't seem to be the case in the Dublin city center.



Again, this is a cultural difference. I think Americans are far more demanding of their public servants than the Irish are. If someone is paying a huge mortgage and property taxes, they are going to demand that the police keep order in their area. Maybe part of the problem is that in Ireland, the police are a national force. In the US, the police departments are run by the municipality, and the police chief quite often reports to the mayor and/or the city council. So there is a lot of political pressure on the police departments to be responsive to residents. This doesn't seem to be the case at all in Ireland, and although there is less violent crime, there seem to be much higher levels of low-level social disorder which really eats away at the quality of life.

And the whole "you're a rat" thing is ridiculous; it only hurts the community that the little bastards are terrorizing.

Well Ireland isn't like say... country areas in America? If that makes sense. Whereas a small village here might be nice and for the most part, the locals look out for one another and have a sense of security and bonding, it would be the same in a small (well, what would be small in America) community in America.

Whereas in the big cities in America you do get the ghetto-like areas that are seperate from the more upclass places.

I know this is really stretching it but somewhere posh and rich in America say... Beverly Hills would be far from a place that would have daily shootings, right? In Ireland it isn't like this at all. Most of Ireland outside of the city areas are non existent. And, as Ireland is so small and there are lots of land masses between cities, there isn't much for people to do. So they all just sort of... moved in.

And, when you take that Dublin's posher areas are like 40 minutes away at most from some of the worst areas in Dublin, you don't have any kind of division line. I mean some places are lovely to live but then across the road you have blocks of flats that are home to scum.

I understand a forgein fella might not understand it but It's been this way since I was born in the late 80s and it won't change.
It is stupid and it shouldn't be this way but you're paying for ease of access to shops and whatnot; if you want a nice posh area you're paying a lot more than a grand a month.

I dunno about the part of the American police but the problem is the justice system over here is horrible.
But the welfare system here caters for those that broke the law, to a point.*

Yes, I'm mentioning the dole but no, I'm not having a go at people on it.

I forget the name of them but in America you have feckin'... something like youth prisons or something, where you can send teens to prision for breaking the law several times or whatnot. I honestly have never once heard (with the exception of one case of a 16 year old lad I knew, sort of knew him) being locked up for six months for various things.
Most times the police here can do little. It's not even that we don't demand more; it's just they don't have the man-power/backing up of a proper punishment system. The worst that happens is "no don't smash the car up again".

But couple the lack of punishment in with the fact that a lot of these scumbags don't work and are on the dole but never intended to get off the dole. I'm talking about kids aged 15/16/17 who are aimming to be on the dole like the kids they see were they live. It really is a case of monkey-see-monkey-do and horrible parenting mixed in with a case of the dole always being there to provide them with a source of income.

So after you mix those factors all in together, they're bored kids who live in a low income area and just decide it's fun to be racist or break the law.

Sorry for the essay-like explanation.

robbie7730 wrote: »

Well the OP does not seem to have been spat at, maybe he was out of range of the spitting sniper was he? So the spitter had to make do with the indian fella.

Wow I never thought of that.

Scumbags with sniper spitting ability spotted in Summerhill, alert the herald!

I bet if the spitter spat at dublin fellas regular, it wouldnt be long before he was battered to a pulp. Maybe thats his form of racism, spit at non nationals, its safer

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Oh, you were serious.

Well no, not entirely serious, although i was when talking about the spitting at others is below being a scum bag.

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

My head hurts. :P

Backup, I get your first question, was the OP there, if so, why was he/she not spat at also.

Now what's the bit that says: although i was when talking about the spitting at others is below being a scum bag?

I'm confused what you mean it's below being a scumbag.

What was the question again?

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well he goes to his work that way, he will just have to look tougher anymore or go the long way. I wouldn't feel safe walking past there, while passing it on the bus, I saw they have iron bars on the windows of the houses there, that says it all.

So now your point has changed all the way from a scum-bag Dublin, from a racist Ireland to... "my friend has to go to work the long way"...

Stick to one argument, you're not really winning any anyway.

Look, unless your friend has a medical condition, there are plenty of other ways to go. I seriously doubt an extra five or ten minutes will impact his walking that much.

robbie7730 wrote: »

Winning? Is it about winning, OP said his friend was spat at, and dublin has scum bags, the second part everyone knows is correct. The first part is very likely to be true. So how is he losing?

Point I was making was that chaigng your argument everytime you post because you didn't get the answers you want isn't a good debating technique.

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Point I was making was that chaigng your argument everytime you post because you didn't get the answers you want isn't a good debating technique.

Yes true, but the answers he got were very defensive of dublin, rather than saying how it was a scum bag type thing that happened. But still, your point is a good one.

robbie7730 wrote: »

Yes true, but the answers he got were very defensive of dublin, rather than saying how it was a scum bag type thing that happened. But still, your point is a good one.

It was moreso the fact that they were describing (or at least making it appear that way) that Dublin is an area for racially motivated attacks by scumbags. But... she didn't really think too much into it since Dublin is the most populated city in Ireland and a lot, a lot of different races live here.

Of cousre the answers were defensive of Dublin as the more the OP posted, the more it was clear she was just wanting a group of people backing her up. So I guess that was why it was a lot more defensive than her saying something like "some scumbag spat in my friend's face in Summerhill, I wish people like that would be locked away" she made it clear that she feels ashamed to be Irish. Which is insane in so many ways.

After an opening post like that, you can't expect many people (on an Irish forum) to say "yeah, I feel ashamed to be Irish too".

osullic wrote: »

The only reason I'm sharing this is to show its not really a racist thing its just an ignorance thing.
I'm a straight white/Irish guy with a stupid haircut and I'm different enough for them to spit at.

Yes anyone that looks different in any way probably by the sound of that. Hard to drop down to that level of thinking anyway to understand it.