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Why is there no looting in Japan?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I have heard from people who are there who report that despite shopfronts being exposed people there are not looting. You can dismiss that as anecodotal or untrue if you want. I am not convinced by the argument that because nothing is being reported therefore suppressed looting is going on.

    I think the reasons would be to do with a sense of national pride & civic duty. People using a disaster as an excuse for looting TV's and hifi's just does not seem to be a big part of their mentality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    Yes, it's "looting" when black people did it after Hurricane Katrina, but when white kids took food and supplies from abandoned shops, it was "finding". :rolleyes:

    are they not from two differant news agencys??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭HenryChinaski


    Firstly there is literally nothing left to loot in most places.

    Secondly, there's no petty crime in Japan at all. It's either organised crime; gambling, extortion, prostitution, protection rackets, etc. Or else it's like domestic type sh*t where people freak out and murder family members or work colleagues.

    Japanese people would never steal it'd be considered the most shameful thing you could ever do it's simply not in their psyche. In fact if you went into a bar and left your wallet on a stool and it got stolen you could be nearly guaranteed it was a foreigner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Redlion


    df1985 wrote: »
    Doesnt Japan have a very low crime rate in general?? Impression I always got was that theyre polite well behaved people.
    Yep, due to their aging population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭deathrider


    tiger55 wrote: »

    He's not japanese :pac:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Firstly there is literally nothing left to loot in most places.

    Secondly, there's no petty crime in Japan at all. It's either organised crime; gambling, extortion, prostitution, protection rackets, etc. Or else it's like domestic type sh*t where people freak out and murder family members or work colleagues.

    Japanese people would never steal it'd be considered the most shameful thing you could ever do it's simply not in their psyche. In fact if you went into a bar and left your wallet on a stool and it got stolen you could be nearly guaranteed it was a foreigner.

    That exactly about sums it up nicely in total.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    karlog wrote: »
    It's part of their culture. Doing crime is seen as bringing shame to your family in Japan.

    The Triads must be very dissappointed with themsleves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    tiger55 wrote: »
    There is difference between bread and a crate of beer;)

    Its Pepsi Max he's holding :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭heyheyhey1982


    i can understand people looting for food in desperation. But some of the items that where looted in New orleans was nuts, computers and tvs etc... thats where its just pure scum bags using it as an excuse to rob.

    The population of New orleans who didnt leave with the Hurricane were uneducated african Americans, Looting would be considered a past time.

    When 9-11 happened the people of New York didnt loot.

    Haiti is a Sh1t hole,..... looting

    The day of the Orange parade in dublin a few years back we had looting, they broke into footlocker on O'connell st and robbed 28 left feet runners. there was footage of idiots tearing shutter off shops and running out with odd runners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    major bill wrote: »
    are they not from two differant news agencys??

    The point is, something like looting shouldn't be subjective: either people are looting, or people are foraging for food in an area that has been completely abandoned by every level of government. However, as with so much in the US, when black people do something wrong, it's seen as part of their pathological culture, whereas when white people do something wrong, it is often portrayed by the media as something that is due to systemic or institutional problems in American society, rather than something inherent to white people.

    Hurricane Katrina, both in terms of the government's response (in particular state and local government) and the media coverage of it, was an absolute disgrace. If there is any positive aspect of the Japanese situation, it's the fact that they have a very organized government which believes in planning for this kind of thing. Unfortunately, I don't think that any level of planning can prepare a government to respond to a disaster on this scale, but at least they are admitting as much and coordinating with other countries. And without the regulations they had in place, it likely would have been much, much worse.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    The point is, something like looting shouldn't be subjective: either people are looting, or people are foraging for food in an area that has been completely abandoned by every level of government. However, as with so much in the US, when black people do something wrong, it's seen as part of their pathological culture, whereas when white people do something wrong, it is often portrayed by the media as something that is due to systemic or institutional problems in American society, rather than something inherent to white people.

    Hurricane Katrina, both in terms of the government's response (in particular state and local government) and the media coverage of it, was an absolute disgrace. If there is any positive aspect of the Japanese situation, it's the fact that they have a very organized government which believes in planning for this kind of thing. Unfortunately, I don't think that any level of planning can prepare a government to respond to a disaster on this scale, but at least they are admitting as much and coordinating with other countries. And without the regulations they had in place, it likely would have been much, much worse.

    if its two differant news agencys then how can you be sure that the same ''finding'' tag would not have been used on the black man like it was used on the white people?. You are assuming thats its good aul racism!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    karlog wrote: »
    It's part of their culture. Doing crime is seen as bringing shame to your family in Japan.

    Its part of a lot of people's families culture here in Ireland as well except for the scum and skangers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,960 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Theft and looting is rare in Japan because as others here pointed out, Japanese society has a very low crime rate and it is seen as deeply shameful and dishonourable to steal. Japan is a very well-ordered society with very little crime, virtually no litter and practically no social unrest.

    We could use some of that attitude here in Ireland IMO.

    BTW the Japanese mafia is known as the Yakusa - the Triads are Chinese.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The Triads must be very dissappointed with themsleves.

    Aren't they Chinese? Don't you mean the Yakuza?

    And even at that, they have some form of honour rules. They'll engage in illegal activity, but they won't abuse society in time of distress.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE2DF1E31F931A15752C0A963958260
    TOKYO, Jan. 21— Already harshly criticized for confusion in its earthquake relief effort in Kobe, the Government is now suffering the embarrassment of reports that Japan's largest organized crime group is running a big operation to provide food and supplies to quake victims.

    For the fourth straight day, the Yamaguchi-gumi, a feared group of gangsters based in Kobe, handed out food, water and diapers today to people in its devastated neighborhood. In Japan, organized crime groups operate largely in the open, and the operation, which is said to be more efficient than the Government's, has been a source of pride for the gangsters.

    <snip>

    He said the group was using motor scooters, boats and even a helicopter to move precious goods into and around the city, which has been nearly paralyzed by the quake damage and dangerously clogged roadways.

    In the difficult years after World War II, the yakuza, as gangsters are known here, developed a reputation as street toughs with hearts, men who plied illegal trades but lent a hand to weaker neighbors. The police admit that they, too, relied on the yakuza to check random street violence and to control left-wing groups.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    The japanese have amazing dignity. A bit like English people. Amazing dignity. I really hope they can rebuild and save as many people as possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    major bill wrote: »
    if its two differant news agencys then how can you be sure that the same ''finding'' tag would not have been used on the black man like it was used on the white people?. You are assuming thats its good aul racism!!!

    The photos involved show people wading through water with a garbage bag full of food. One was classified as looting. One was classified as finding. Two different interpretations of the same situation, with the only difference being race. I think crying racism is an absolutely appropriate response in this case, especially when set against the backdrop of the wider Katrina coverage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭Chris P. Bacon


    It was the same in Thailand after the 2002 Tsunami,Asian countries have a lot more pride in there nation and culture,unlike a lot of Western ones.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The japanese have amazing dignity. A bit like English people. Amazing dignity.

    Wow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The japanese have amazing dignity. A bit like English people. Amazing dignity.

    Sometimes I wonder if you do it on purpose..


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Japan is the only place where I saw two people in their cars, bang into each other, then each got out of their cars, bowed to each other and exchanged details.
    I stood there amazed. They were totally calm, respectful of the other and no heated fights who was right or wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Morlar wrote: »
    Wow.
    I know. Keith aint one bit biased.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The japanese have amazing dignity. A bit like English people. Amazing dignity. I really hope they can rebuild and save as many people as possible.
    Dunno about the latter but yes, to the former.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    The japanese have amazing dignity. A bit like English people. Amazing dignity. I really hope they can rebuild and save as many people as possible.

    Don't remember this story so :D
    The "despicable" behaviour of scavengers has forced the authorities to invoke ancient legislation to stop raids on cargo on a Devon beach.
    Powers not used for 100 years will be used to force people to return goods recovered from the stricken container ship MSC Napoli.

    Separate laws will also be used to ban the public from Branscombe beach.

    The police said organised gangs were targeting the beach and were behind some of the worst looting.

    Over the last two days scavengers have descended on the beach, taking away goods that included BMW motorbikes, wine, face cream and nappies.

    Officers closed roads to the beach to deter treasure-seekers and to allow contractors to start the clear-up operation, which is expected to begin at 0700 GMT on Wednesday.

    That meant people had to walk several miles to the beach but that did not deter about 200 scavengers who were rummaging through the cargo.

    The numbers dwindled later after the beach was sealed off by a 100ft-long metal fence.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6290887.stm

    Nothing dignified about that and I'm not seeing similar reports from Japan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    df1985 wrote: »
    Doesnt Japan have a very low crime rate in general?? Impression I always got was that theyre polite well behaved people.

    Unless they have tattoos!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭tampopo


    Firstly there is literally nothing left to loot in most places.

    Secondly, there's no petty crime in Japan at all. It's either organised crime; gambling, extortion, prostitution, protection rackets, etc. Or else it's like domestic type sh*t where people freak out and murder family members or work colleagues.

    Japanese people would never steal it'd be considered the most shameful thing you could ever do it's simply not in their psyche. In fact if you went into a bar and left your wallet on a stool and it got stolen you could be nearly guaranteed it was a foreigner.

    yeah, more like this.

    I left an SLR camera on a train and the station master called the last station and it had been handed in. We just went and collected it.

    More to the point, why do WE loot here???

    and those two British girls that got murdered...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭seklly


    Biggins wrote: »
    That exactly about sums it up nicely in total.

    Which one, exactly or about?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Yes, it's "looting" when black people did it after Hurricane Katrina, but when white kids took food and supplies from abandoned shops, it was "finding". :rolleyes:
    The photos involved show people wading through water with a garbage bag full of food. One was classified as looting. One was classified as finding. Two different interpretations of the same situation, with the only difference being race. I think crying racism is an absolutely appropriate response in this case, especially when set against the backdrop of the wider Katrina coverage.

    Nobody knows the full stories of either caption. The first one may have entered a store and looted, the second pair may have come accross items outside the store, but don't let other possibilities or lack of fact get in the way of a good rant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    seklly wrote: »
    Which one, exactly or about?!

    :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    seklly wrote: »
    Which one, exactly or about?!
    Both. :p lol

    Seriously though.
    I know each country has it faults. True in the case of Japan as well but there is some good aspects too we can all learn from them also.


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