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NEW 12 EDT LESSONS: commences April 4th. Explained ;)

  • 13-03-2011 10:52PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭


    So many people have asked me about the new "12 Lessons" that everyone has to take. Well its not as simple as just 12 lessons, but ive explained it very simply for everyone. ;)


    I Attended a meeting on Thursday Regarding the new driving regulation held by the "Road Safety Authority RSA" (EDT= Essential Driver training) been brought in 1st week of April.

    Anyone with a stamped Learner permit (Provisional license) on or after 4/4/11 will be effected, so if you ever think you will ever drive in your life, register now before its too late.

    The EDT basically is 12 steps to driving safely. Its a minimum of 12 lessons that will cover 12 steps to learning to drive with your ADI Approved Driving Instructor, There's a lot of detail in the 12 lessons so ADI's will be pushed to even get the objectives covered on each hour lesson. The idea behind is that you will be learning for longer, like in UK and Europe.

    The ADI now has all the control of who goes for their test now, so that when drivers now go for their test having passed their 12 key EDT lessons, the candidate has already being tested thus the pass rates at test centers will increase dramatically because the standard of driving will be greater, thus bringing down the wait lists for testing. ( I heard on the QT that the RSA might be bringing in an increased test amount if you don't pass first time. 20euro more and so on, every time you fail your test so the incentive is their to get the right training to begin with and not to block the system as is currently the case with students just re-applying for their tests and not enough lessons. But its just Here-say at the moment!! Not official.


    The ADI must sign a Declaration (Learner Driver Log Book ) by law that states that the Learner has passed the 12 stages. The steps have more in the content of learning to drive than before and learners will be learning for longer, so it wont be a case of get your provisional license and go straight out on the road like before and sit your test with minimal or no ADI lessons.


    Also, when you get to step 12, If I as your instructor don't feel you are ready for your test, I don't sign your "Learner Logbook".
    The book is like a license and will be stamped, signed, dated and notes made according to each 12 mandatory key lesson's.
    It will be very official and this book is the only piece of proof you will have to participating in the EDT so maybe let your instructor keep your book as if you loose it, its complicated to apply for another one. Just like a passport. (The ADI will need to keep separate records of every EDT lessons in-case the original Log Book is lost by the student)(The ADI can provide a new one at cost to student after the item reported to Gardai)

    Scenario: If I have a student who has difficulty with a certain area, example : EDT part 5. Junctions.(Number given for illustration only as an example) If I don't feel the student knows how to do a junction properly what ever the case maybe, they must repeat part 5 with me and keep repeating it until they do pass that section. The student could have a million lessons on that particular part, but until they pass it, they cant go on to part 6 or sit the test. I know it sounds slightly unfair but its what happening come this April 4th if you have not got a license before then.



    Now!!

    YOU can apply for the test and pay for the test, even if you have no lessons, but upon meeting your tester, prior to testing they will be required to show their provisional license and their EDT training log book signed as passed on all 12 key areas. If the student cant display this - the test is canceled but still charged. So there's no way round it!


    The same law will remain where learners are given 2 yrs to learn to drive and sit their test, if they have not passed in 2 yrs, they will still have to apply for their test (85euro I think now) to be able to get their provisional learner permit renewed.

    Its increasing the standard of driving and to push the increasing amount of provisional licence drivers off the road, that are driving illegally unaccompanied and not participating in the rules of the road.

    We hope that a Garda update will be in support of new regulations, but the RSA didnt mention about them at the meeting! Anyone with a Learner permit/ Provisional license prior to 4/4/11, I dont believe they will be effected by the 12 EDT lessons, so apply now and save yourself a fortune, because the days of 3 or 4 lessons with an Instructor, drive on your own for a few months and then a few lessons to pass the test... Those days are going. Its going to be serious graft just like in UK and Europe.


    ( A small private survey conducted at an RSA test centre recently. The results concluded that the pass rate on the give week was 15% pass.
    Of this amount all the drivers had, had 2-8hours proffesional driving lessons in their life, not over!
    20% had only 1 lesson maximum before their test and no other driving lesson within 2weeks.
    85% had driven to the test center illegally unaccompanied.
    95% of drivers did not know if their driving instructor was registered with the RSA. (ADI = Approved Driving Instructor)

    98% were sitting their test for the second time plus. That's 2% pass the test first time.
    Of the 98%, 60% had already sat the test 3-4 times or more, and 20% sat the test 8 times previously.

    This statistic of 98% will decrease because of the new EDT lessons!
    ADI instructor's wont allow unprepared drivers do the test as if someone arrives for the test and all though they have a signed and stamped logbook declaration stating they have passed all 12 key areas, if their standard is not recognised by the RSA testers and fail their test, The ADI instructor may be called in for questioning and re-testing as part of the Rules of the Road and the EDT training.

    In Conclusion - its almost like you have 12 small tests to do with your ADI driving instructor now, and then your over all test with the RSA.

    Good Luck to Drivers holding a learner permit dated on or after April 4th!!! You'll Need It.

    :)


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    Good to know, thanks for posting! 3 points though:


    Anyone who registers for theory test after """"April 4th 2011""""" will be effected, so if you ever think you will ever drive in your life, register now before its too late.
    So it's definitely by when you apply for your Theory Test, and nothing to do with when the Learner Permit is issued?
    The EDT basically is 12 steps to driving safely. Its a minimum of 12 lessons that will cover 12 steps to learning to drive with your ADI Approved Driving Instructor, There's a lot of detail in the 12 lessons so ADI's will be pushed to even get the objectives covered on each hour lesson. The idea behind is that you will be learning for longer, like in UK and Europe.
    Do you know if there are going to be three mandatory modules/steps/sessions where the learner has to be familiar with the basic controls of a car, e.g. moving off, before they can proceed onto the 12-step system?
    The same law will remain where learners are given 2 yrs to learn to drive and sit their test, if they have not passed in 2 yrs, they will still have to apply for their test (85euro I think now) to be able to get their provisional learner permit renewed.
    I could be wrong, but I thought you only needed proof of having applied for the test if it's your Third or subsequent Learner Permit? I.e. you can have your first LP for 2 years, get your second LP, and then you need to provide evidence of having failed, or applied for, your driving test to apply for subsequent LPs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    Good post OP. Clears a lot up :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭J_R


    Anyone who registers for theory test after """"April 4th 2011""""" will be effected, so if you ever think you will ever drive in your life, register now before its too late.

    Hi,


    good post but that is incorrect

    from
    If your first category B learner permit (code 991 in column marked restrictions/ information) is dated on or after 4 April2011 (look at ó/from column on the permit), you must take the EDT course.

    You can get more information on licence categories from www.rsa.ie

    I was also at a meeting and I asked the question "was there any exceptions ?" and was informed that

    No exception, any LP stamped 4th April 2011 and later must produce stamped signed EDT logbook. So no complications, just check their learner permit.

    10 or perhaps 12 logbooks will be initially issued free to the driving insructors, it is up to them how or if they charge for them. They must purchase any subsequent logbooks, RSA reckon they will cost about €4.00 each.

    If the student lose their book they must report the lost to the Garda, only then will theirADI issue them with a new one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    Good to know, thanks for posting! 3 points though:




    So it's definitely by when you apply for your Theory Test, and nothing to do with when the Learner Permit is issued?

    A)"YES - As far as what the RSA stated at the meeting. Everyone with a Learner permit as of 4/4/11 will be effected"


    Do you know if there are going to be three mandatory modules/steps/sessions where the learner has to be familiar with the basic controls of a car, e.g. moving off, before they can proceed onto the 12-step system?

    B)" The EDT under Lines 12 key areas of learning only at the moment. EDT 1 will cover the very basic " Cockpit drill and moving off" etc. Alot of EDT 1 can be learned from books and Dvds so, I dont think EDT 1 will become a problem for me anyhow. Now, the curriculum set for EDT 1, is extremely intence for the student, but its at the ADI's discretion to pass EDT 1 and cover some of the steps later EDT 2 if they want. EDT 1 I feel will become 1.5hr lesson or even 2 hours because there is alot of material in it. Also, the ADI needs to record the lesson conduct in the log book which the student is meant to keep, but updating the notes must be done with the student so it makes the EDT lesson longer hence I feel the first driving lesson will no longer be done in 1hr, although stated in the EDT curriculum. Its a difficult one, but will need to be decided between ADI and student and will depend on how clear and concise the ADI is at communicating and how easy or difficult it is for the student to learn. Being a driving Instructor is about to get much harder! :)"

    I could be wrong, but I thought you only needed proof of having applied for the test if it's your Third or subsequent Learner Permit? I.e. you can have your first LP for 2 years, get your second LP, and then you need to provide evidence of having failed, or applied for, your driving test to apply for subsequent LPs?

    C) Anyone already having a Learner Permit as of this coming april 4th, will NOT be effected by the EDT 12 Key lessons. As far as your question states, this is for current license holders which will NOT be effected by EDT.
    To add, as before the Gardai and theyre approach to Learner Drivers on the roads, was not discussed so its difficult to know what angle the Gardai will take, but as far as im aware, Learners not displaying "L" plates and Learners driving on the first provisional are most at risk in terms of Gardai regulations and having their cars impounded if caught driving alone. The last part of your third question is correct, but applies to Non EDT drivers. Lets get that clear!! I would presume that the RSA will continue to renew Learner permits once someone has applied for or sat their test. However, I have heard on the QT that the registration numbers of cars that fail on the test and or student names and addresses are going into a system where as something will be done to get the long term provisonal drivers, driving on their own off the road. But nothing other than whats is in current effect is coming in, as far as what was said at this RSA meeting.

    But over all, after April a lot will change. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    Dear J__R

    Thanks for pointing that out. :)

    Its all positive, as we all need to know the correct info.

    Thanks for feedback.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭J_R


    Hi

    Info is on page 2 of ESSENTIAL DRIVER TRAINING (EDT)
    Learner Driver Information Booklet.

    Clicky

    Was anticipating pupils phoning wanting to know if they were liable for new regs., reason asked the question.

    And as stated was told that the only relevant detail was the issue date of the 1st learner permit, nothing else mattered..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭ihateclowns11


    Safety lol,its not about safety,its about Money.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 7,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭**Timbuk2**


    Safety lol,its not about safety,its about Money.

    Actually, I think it's a good idea! This will increase pass rates, which means people will take less tests, and as each test is subsidised by the state, that means the state are paying out less money for tests.

    It should also significantly increase the skill of newly qualified drivers on the road. After 12 lessons I highly doubt we'll see newly qualified drivers making mistakes, such as not observing correctly, using roundabouts incorrectly, etc.

    I can't see any disadvantages, really. Owning and running a car is very expensive, and fuel, tax, insurance (and possibly repairs) throughout the years will amount to much more than the 12 lessons will cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭ADIDriving


    The ADI now has all the control of who goes for their test now, so that when drivers now go for their test having passed their 12 key EDT lessons, the candidate has already being tested thus the pass rates at test centers will increase dramatically because the standard of driving will be greater, thus bringing down the wait lists for testing.
    The ADI must sign a Declaration (Learner Driver Log Book ) by law that states that the Learner has passed the 12 stages. The steps have more in the content of learning to drive than before and learners will be learning for longer, so it wont be a case of get your provisional license and go straight out on the road like before and sit your test with minimal or no ADI lessons.
    Also, when you get to step 12, If I as your instructor don't feel you are ready for your test, I don't sign your "Learner Logbook".
    The book is like a license and will be stamped, signed, dated and notes made according to each 12 mandatory key lesson's.
    It will be very official and this book is the only piece of proof you will have to participating in the EDT so maybe let your instructor keep your book as if you loose it, its complicated to apply for another one. Just like a passport. (The ADI will need to keep separate records of every EDT lessons in-case the original Log Book is lost by the student)(The ADI can provide a new one at cost to student after the item reported to Gardai)

    Scenario: If I have a student who has difficulty with a certain area, example : EDT part 5. Junctions.(Number given for illustration only as an example) If I don't feel the student knows how to do a junction properly what ever the case maybe, they must repeat part 5 with me and keep repeating it until they do pass that section. The student could have a million lessons on that particular part, but until they pass it, they cant go

    Having been at the first one of these meeting, everyone in that room was clearly told something very, very different. ADIs do not test student. That is the job of the RSA. We give the lessons. When we have delivered that lesson we sign their logbook. They are not required to have reached any particular standard. The only restriction is that they will be required to have meet the pre-lesson requirements before the next lesson.
    The key point made many times at that meeting was that the logbook records the delivery of information.
    The ADIs will have acopy of each completed lesson-page and then they are to email the RSA with the progress of students, therefor there would be another record of the logbook, so students should keep their own logbooks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Well written. I'm a full licence holder but my sister is thinking of getting her L/P so I'll show her this to influence her to get it before the 4th if that's even possible now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou


    I was at one of the early meetings and the attitude to the proposals from ADIs was quite negative. The idea of compulsory lessons is good but the scheme being put in place is overly complicated and IMO will be unworkable.
    The RSA people seemed quite surprised by the feedback they were getting and have obviously refined their message in later meetings, ie the one DrivingsCool reported on.
    It does not bode well for EDT if policy is being made up "on the hoof".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    ADIDriving wrote: »
    Having been at the first one of these meeting, everyone in that room was clearly told something very, very different. ADIs do not test student. That is the job of the RSA. We give the lessons. When we have delivered that lesson we sign their logbook. They are not required to have reached any particular standard. The only restriction is that they will be required to have meet the pre-lesson requirements before the next lesson.
    The key point made many times at that meeting was that the logbook records the delivery of information.
    The ADIs will have acopy of each completed lesson-page and then they are to email the RSA with the progress of students, therefor there would be another record of the logbook, so students should keep their own logbooks.

    This is CORRECT!!

    I attended 3 meetings and the above by ADIDriving is what the ADI will have to do.
    At the end you WILL NOT BE READY for your driving test as they are not driving test related lessons.

    I posted this information a few days ago:
    The information received at ADI meetings regarding the EDT is as follows:

    * The EDT (12 mandatory lessons) are there to help you learn as a new beginner driver.
    * It is not a guarantee you will be a competent driver after.
    * You will need practice between your EDT lessons.
    * You will need to learn as much as possible before you take an EDT lesson.
    * As a new learner (with no experiences) you will not on completion of your EDT be at driving test standard.
    * You may (in my experience you will) need to take extra lessons after or between your EDT lessons.


    I have put this up so that learner drivers KNOW what to expect.

    Please Note:
    ALL ADIs attending the meetings were concerned that you the learner will expect your driving would meet driving test standard on completion of your EDT; we were also very concerned that you would believe you are a competent driver on completion of your EDT. In reality signing off (ADI stamps your logbook) on your EDT is only to say you completed the lessons and is in no way a signing of competence.


    I hope I have made this clear because this issue lasted hours at the meetings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    But can an ADI refuse to sign a leaners log book to squeeze more money out of them? And can a learner get the log book completed by other instructors if they don't like the instuctors teaching methods?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    But can an ADI refuse to sign a leaners log book to squeeze more money out of them?
    well the ADI is only stamping the log to say that the EDT was completed "completed". IF the EDT was not completed for some reson well then the ADI can not stamp.
    And can a learner get the log book completed by other instructors if they don't like the instuctors teaching methods?
    YES! but only if each EDT is completed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou


    It will not be possible to deliver the content of each EDT properly in one hour.
    12 "compulsory" lessons is going to stretch to 18 or 20 and clients are going to feel ripped off. The blame for this will fall on the ADI, instead of with the RSA where responsibility really lies.
    I can hear the Joe Duffy show already!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    loobylou wrote: »
    It will not be possible to deliver the content of each EDT properly in one hour.
    12 "compulsory" lessons is going to stretch to 18 or 20 and clients are going to feel ripped off. The blame for this will fall on the ADI, instead of with the RSA where responsibility really lies.
    I can hear the Joe Duffy show already!

    I agree!!!

    But we are not signing off on competency, it's including the ADIs in the system of learning which is out there now (learn to drive with mammy and/or daddy and only get lessons when your test is next week).
    This means the learner can learn and practice as they are now BUT they will also need to get 12 hours of teaching from a qualified driving instructor.

    That has to be a good thing; because at least ADIs have some input into what the learner is learning (not the parents bad habits)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    But can an ADI refuse to sign a leaners log book to squeeze more money out of them? And can a learner get the log book completed by other instructors if they don't like the instuctors teaching methods?

    Unfortunatly Yes to the first part Faith, but Id hope that all ADI's would be trying to help you. So always book one lesson to see how you find them before booking block of ten lessons etc. You can have as many instructors ADI as you like, keep your book and each will sign it when you have passed the specific following module.

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    I agree!!!

    But we are not signing off on competency, it's including the ADIs in the system of learning which is out there now (learn to drive with mammy and/or daddy and only get lessons when your test is next week).
    This means the learner can learn and practice as they are now BUT they will also need to get 12 hours of teaching from a qualified driving instructor.

    That has to be a good thing; because at least ADIs have some input into what the learner is learning (not the parents bad habits)

    Its positive change, and what you have said here and I have is all very positive to those that will read about EDT here on boards. The way of learning to drive in Ireland is changing. The RSA are in the process of launching a huge campaign to explain these changes and in time, few months I suspect, everyone in Ireland will know that it will take about 15-20 hours minimum to learn to drive and that the passed EDT is something the RSA require. Try and see it as a positive as long term its better for everyone. Thanks for all the positive feedback.

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    loobylou wrote: »
    It will not be possible to deliver the content of each EDT properly in one hour.
    12 "compulsory" lessons is going to stretch to 18 or 20 and clients are going to feel ripped off. The blame for this will fall on the ADI, instead of with the RSA where responsibility really lies.
    I can hear the Joe Duffy show already!

    Ive Gone through the content and its definitely achievable. "Change" can be difficult sometimes though, but the support is available for us, from myself and other ADI's aswell as from the RSA.

    As for lesson conduct with regard to time scales, on EDT lessons the Module can be teached per hour in theory. Unfortunatly the practical side will suffer but the idea behind it, is that it will the student can then practice on a *sponsored lesson as per advised at RSA meeting.

    Sponsored lessons = Conducted with an ADI / Or anyone with the correct license type for correct amount of time. (Not a provisonal driver)

    It will basically be the same as the UK and most of Europe. So theres no reason the students to feel they are being ripped off! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Sparkie93


    i am very glad i got my LP two months ago just wondering when if someone fails their test and they have to reapply for a second license after april 4th will they have to take up the 12 lessons?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭JayEnnis


    Just clearing this up, I'm fully licensed so don't jump down my throat.

    I've my friend beside me here and he's been driving on a provisional since june 09 and we're just booking his test now. How will this affect him? If in any way at all. I read the OP but couldn't get a clear understanding of it. Does this only apply to drivers who got their provisional after april 4th?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    JayEnnis wrote: »
    Just clearing this up, I'm fully licensed so don't jump down my throat.

    I've my friend beside me here and he's been driving on a provisional since june 09 and we're just booking his test now. How will this affect him? If in any way at all. I read the OP but couldn't get a clear understanding of it. Does this only apply to drivers who got their provisional after april 4th?

    Yes!

    Your friend wont need to worry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭JayEnnis


    Ok thanks a million for that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭DrivingsCool


    Safety lol,its not about safety,its about Money.

    Its very easy to say this but the RSA records of people attending their test and passing it first time is one of the weakest in the world. You can ask any driving instructor and very rarely will they feel that a student is ready for their test or even that of taking a car out on a public road!

    One particular student of mine after 1 lesson took her own car out around her estate with a friend in the car, and ran over her own son, when she mistook the accelerator for the brake. The child is still in hospital 2 years on with severe brain injurys! Its only one scenario and maybe EDT training wont stop accidents happening, but it will give a better understanding of how to control a car. Students like this Irish lady-just wont listen to ADI's explaining that they are not to go out on the road yet! As ADI's your driving instructor will guide you, to help you as much as they can.

    Its a quick reaction to say its a money racket and I do understand your statement but its actually not about money, its about safety and about saving someones life like the example above.

    There is a major negative stigma about having more than 10 lessons in Ireland and this will change come April. Its changing! For too long have the RSA had to put up with drivers who could barely drive a car, while attending their test. Last year I witnessed a student after failing her test, drive her car (Un accompanied) through a wall in the test centre car park! This madness is all in a days work for alot of ADI's and Testers of the RSA, and its time for it to end!

    Bring on april 4th!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou



    One particular student of mine after 1 lesson took her own car out around her estate with a friend in the car, and ran over her own son, when she mistook the accelerator for the brake. The child is still in hospital 2 years on with severe brain injurys!

    That is very sad to hear but the new regulations could actually encourage behaviour like that. Heres whats expected of a pupil before lesson 3 with his ADI.
    You should have practised the following for at least three
    hours:
    􀁺 positioning the vehicle on the straight;
    􀁺 cornering;
    􀁺 negotiating bends and junctions;
    􀁺 changing lanes;
    􀁺 entering and exiting from slip roads;
    􀁺 entering and exiting junctions and roundabouts; and
    􀁺 correct positioning within traffi c lanes.
    You should also have read the sections of the Rules of the
    Road that deal with:
    􀁺 correct positioning in these situations; and
    􀁺 changing direction and making observations.
    You should have acted on any feedback your ADI gave you at
    the end of your last EDT lesson.
    The above it what is expected of a learner after only 2 EDT lessons, one of which will probably not have involved the pupil even moving the car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    loobylou wrote: »
    That is very sad to hear but the new regulations could actually encourage behaviour like that. Heres whats expected of a pupil before lesson 3 with his ADI.
    You should have practised the following for at least three
    hours:
    �� positioning the vehicle on the straight;
    �� cornering;
    �� negotiating bends and junctions;
    �� changing lanes;
    �� entering and exiting from slip roads;
    �� entering and exiting junctions and roundabouts; and
    �� correct positioning within traffic lanes.
    You should also have read the sections of the Rules of the
    Road that deal with:
    �� correct positioning in these situations; and
    �� changing direction and making observations.
    You should have acted on any feedback your ADI gave you at
    the end of your last EDT lesson.
    The above it what is expected of a learner after only 2 EDT lessons, one of which will probably not have involved the pupil even moving the car.

    How are people learning all this at the moment? "there Not" as you know.

    It will be hard for people to get going, but lets hope it helps in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou


    Don't get me wrong, I WANT this to work. But for it to work it is going to need public backing. Most of what I've seen is aspirational pie in sky stuff dreamt up in an office in Sligo. If people do not get behind it,it will not work.
    How do people learn this at the moment? Some take 3-4 lessons, some take no lessons, some drive accompanied, some don't. You and I both know this, the system is broke. But we must replace that system with something that has a good chance of working. I don't see what is being currently proposed as the best possible option.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    loobylou wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, I WANT this to work. But for it to work it is going to need public backing. Most of what I've seen is aspirational pie in sky stuff dreamt up in an office in Sligo. If people do not get behind it,it will not work.
    How do people learn this at the moment? Some take 3-4 lessons, some take no lessons, some drive accompanied, some don't. You and I both know this, the system is broke. But we must replace that system with something that has a good chance of working. I don't see what is being currently proposed as the best possible option.


    I would rather the EDT system than no system.

    This system will make people take on learning in a proactive way and it will also do away with the rouge driving instructors.

    Let's live in hope loobylou.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou


    I would rather the EDT system than no system.

    I would PREFER the EDT system than no system.
    I would rather the EDT system had been better thought out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭DrivingTestTips: Brian


    loobylou wrote: »
    I would PREFER the EDT system than no system.
    I would rather the EDT system had been better thought out.

    Lol :)


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