Should shinners apologise for backing Hitler

galwayrush · 13-03-2011 01:55PM

Shinners were very mixed up, they are extremely left, Hitler was a far right wing fashist.
Reminds me of the Battle of the Boyne, the Protestant sponsored Catholic king lost to the Papal backed William of Orange.

Seanchai · 13-03-2011 01:58PM

mike65 wrote: »

LondonIrish90, don't bother your arse with facts, Seanchai will fight the fight until his last dying breath....well thats a lie actually. But you know what I mean.

Speaking of facts, you haven't produced any yourself despite contorting your prejudices succinctly in the above.

Are you denying that more British people volunteered to join the British unit of the Waffen-SS than IRA people who collaborated with the Nazis?

Duckworth_Luas · 13-03-2011 02:04PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Shinners were very mixed up, they are extremely left, Hitler was a far right wing fashist.
Reminds me of the Battle of the Boyne, the Protestant sponsored Catholic king lost to the Papal backed William of Orange.

Except James II was sponsored by Louis XIV of France, a Catholic king. Also, as has been pointed out, only a handful of IRA members (not Sinn Féin by the way) had any contact with the Nazi government.

losthorizon · 13-03-2011 02:07PM

What about SF supporting the IRA who took arms from Gaddafi?

Seanchai · 13-03-2011 02:08PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Shinners were very mixed up, they are extremely left, Hitler was a far right wing fashist.

In fairness, you obviously know little about this. The OP is referring to the massive number of three IRA men who "collaborated" with the Nazis. One was an Australian Protestant (Francis Stuart) with rightwing sympathies, one was a Dubliner (Seán Russell) with rightwing sympathies and the third was a Limerick-born (Frank Ryan) hero of the socialist side in Spanish Civil War. You would have found much more rightwing sympathies in Fine Gael at the same time - in fact, one very prominent Fine Gael TD had the following to say in 1943:

"How is it that we do not see any of these [Emergency Powers] Acts directed against the Jews, who crucified Our Saviour nineteen hundred years ago, and who are crucifying us every day in the week? How is it that we do not see them directed against the Masonic Order? How is it that the I.R.A. is considered an illegal organisation while the Masonic Order is not considered an illegal organisation? [...] There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their country. Until we rout the Jews out of this country it does not matter a hair's breadth what orders you make. Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jews are there is the money."

- Oliver J. Flanagan, Fine Gael TD, Dáil Éireann, 9 July 1943.

The actions of the three IRA men are not hard to understand at all: my enemy's enemy is my friend. This mentality was pretty much the same mentality, in fact, which the British state applied to its treatment of fascist dictators across Europe, including Hitler, throughout the 1930s when communism was perceived as the greater enemy.

Seaneh · 13-03-2011 02:09PM

losthorizon wrote: »

What about SF supporting the IRA who took arms from Gaddafi?

What about britian supporting Gaddafi's government by releasing the lockerbie bombers in exchange for cheap oil?

Predator_ · 13-03-2011 02:16PM

another west-brit thread on boards, yawn

R P McMurphy · 13-03-2011 02:19PM

Seaneh wrote: »

What about britian supporting Gaddafi's government by releasing the lockerbie bombers in exchange for cheap oil?

And the fact that the SAS were training Gaddafi's troops 18 months ago

Seaneh · 13-03-2011 02:20PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

And the fact that the SAS were training Gaddafi's troops 18 months ago

And countless other trade agreements.

Sunnyisland · 13-03-2011 02:50PM

lost horizon wrote: »

What about SF supporting the IRA who took arms from Gaddafi?

They weren't the only one,s senior UWC member Glenn Barr and three other UDA men went to Libya in November 1974. Steve Bruce has written that the trip was the initiative a consortium of Irish businessmen who were interested in securing Libyan involvement in exploiting oil reserves off the Irish coast. As Gaddafi was giving arms to the Provisional IRA, the businessmen thought that if they invited the UDA to Tripoli as a counter-weight it would somehow ease the fears of the anti-republican Fine Gael/Labour government then in power in the Irish Republic etc etc

Wolfe Tone · 13-03-2011 02:55PM

What about Paisley jnr sending the PSNI over to train Gadaffis lads?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8262362.stm

Biggins · 13-03-2011 03:01PM

I wish we had a section for history debates!

biko · 13-03-2011 03:04PM

OP I suggest you try Politics, and this time maybe some links or anything really to back up your claims.
Thx.

Should shinners apologise for backing Hitler

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