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Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector
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Unlike you in your post, I did not copy and paste. You are not answering the points but instead claiming your friend went from Dublin to Newry to do his shopping, so its justifiable for our public servants to be paid 20,000 more per year on average.
The public servants in the north often come down here to buy their petrol / diesel / shoes etc, sio big deal, your friend goes up north , they come across the border to fill up etc.
I have 2 questions:
Would you be happy - economically - if we were still part of the UK and had their average public sector salary of 22 or 23 K stg, along with their lower shopping costs ( but presumably with their property tax, higher fuel taxes etc ) ?
Whio do you think is better off : our average public sector worker on 47 k ( after the recent cuts ) and who may have to go to Lidl or Dunnes or Tesco in Newry as you say for his groceries( instead of Lidl or Dunnes or Tesco in Dublin ) , or the UK public sector worker in N.I. or elsewhere in the UK ?
tut tut tut, same argument, its almost like your backed into a corner and wont move.
cost of living in UK = much lower.
You are not answering the points but instead claiming your NI friend went from NI to Eire to do his shopping.
you are shown fact after fact in this forum but ignore it and post your own opinion, which is all fine and dandy, but certainly not fact
Ireland is ranked above UK in the Eurostats on cost of living.....Fact.0 -
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not always ; motor tax on a standard diesel vw passat is only 104 euro - about 86 pounds stg - a year in the republic. Its a good size family saloon. Its more to tax it in the north / Britain.
again, your assuming people can afford an 08 car or newer, what about the 600e motor tax I pay on an 02 car where the squill any car in uk is 150 to tax? Another example is a 2005 BMW 530i or 530d which is 1293 to tax here and 245 to tax in uk. Plus uk has insurance rates at half the cost of Eire plus lower fuel costs, lower house prices and a mug lower cost of living, no wonder salaries are lower, it's all relevant.
I'd take a uk average salary tomorrow if I was living in the uk. I'd also take the average wage here as it would be a payrise to me
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No actually, I am not assumung any such thing. I do appreciate the tax on older big engine cars in this country is very high. However this tax goes to pay salaries in our public service which are on average 20 k a year more than in the UK, so if salaries were not as high, your car tax could come down.again, your assuming people can afford an 08 car or newer, what about the 600e motor tax I pay on an 02 car where the squill any car in uk is 150 to tax?
really ? Average UK public service salary is only £ 22 or £ 23,000 before tax.I'd take a uk average salary tomorrow if I was living in the uk.
You would live in the UK, pay property tax + water charges, higher fuel costs etc on that gross wage before tax ?
What average wage here - average public sector wage, or the average private sector wage which is much lower. Hopefully with time you will be on the average wage at least. If you are not on the average wage here what makes you think your skills / qualifications / experience would entitle you to an average salary job in the UK ?I'd also take the average wage here as it would be a payrise to me0 -
No actually, I am not assumung any such thing
yes you are as the CO2 system only applies to 2008 cars onwards, you are 100% assuming people can afford 2008 onwards cars, therefore your argument is flawed. if you want to compare the motor tax rates, compare the average car, not a brand bew Diesel passatreally ? Average UK public service salary is only £ 22 or £ 23,000 before tax.
we know this because you post it in every post, lower cost of living in the UK / NI means salaries are lower. its a different country using a different currency so its an irrellavant comparison. UK have a much much lower cost of living including, cars, insurance, house prices, energy prices, fuel prices, clothes, food, medicine, GP visits etc etc etc etc etc etcIf you are not on the average wage here what makes you think your skills / qualifications / experience would entitle you to an average salary job in the UK ?
well i suppose thats for me to know, i shall not be posting any personal details on a board occupied with many many students trying to pretend they are in the workforce, then they try pretend they are a employed by a certain sector of that work force, then they get caught out, well you get the picture now 0 -
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well i suppose thats for me to know, i shall not be posting any personal details on a board occupied with many many students trying to pretend they are in the workforce, then they try pretend they are a employed by a certain sector of that work force, then they get caught out, well you get the picture now
Yes, I've long since believed that the economics board of boards.ie is just the the rest of it. There are alot economists sitting in the computer labs of colleges all over the country 0 -
I am quite well aware as the new car tax system applies only this last 3 years. I gave the example of someone buying a pssat where the road tax is only 104 euro a year. I never said it was brand new or not. For your information the 104 euro tax applies to vehicles a year or two old too.yes you are as the CO2 system only applies to 2008 cars onwards, you are 100% assuming people can afford 2008 onwards cars, therefore your argument is flawed. if you want to compare the motor tax rates, compare the average car, not a brand bew Diesel passat
I think it fair to call it a large saloon car, and no its not a f***ing pedal car as one poster asked. You can tax a bmw 3 series for only 156 euro now, so it just goes to show that some things are cheaper south of the border, some things cheaper north of the border. Swings + roundabouts as someone said. At least we do not have to pay property tax or water rates here in the south.
Cars : are cheaper to buy in UK yes.UK have a much much lower cost of living including, cars, insurance, house prices, energy prices, fuel prices, clothes, food, medicine, GP visits etc etc etc etc etc etc
House Prices : you can get a three bed semi brand new in Ireland now for less than two years average public sector gross salary. Brand New 2-bedroom Apartments, with the nenefit of tax incentives and also built to all government regulations, are available in one of the larger towns on the lovely river Shannon and openly advertised at 55k, only a little bit more than a years public sector salary. Value like that does not exist in the UK by a long shot.
Energy prices / fuel prices : lol....diesel + petrol are considerably dearer in UK.
Clothes : you can get clothes very cheap in Pennys,eg shirt + ties sets @ 7 euro, or you can shop online from UK if you want - the difference is not enough to justify average public service wages here 20,000 per year higher than in UK.
Medicine/GP visits : time the government sorted that out
Property tax / water rates : none here
vat rate is only 1% more here now, and there are swings and roundabouts.well i suppose thats for me to know, i shall not be posting any personal details on a board occupied with many many students trying to pretend they are in the workforce, then they try pretend they are a employed by a certain sector of that work force, then they get caught out, well you get the picture now
Nobody asked you to post personal details on the internet, and if you are a student, possibly one hoping to get a job in the public service, then get on with it.
If you are a public servant on less than the average public sector salary here - and I do not care if you are or not - then I am surprised you think your skills / qualifications / experience would entitle you to an average salary job in the UK.RichardAnd wrote: »There are alot economists sitting in the computer labs of colleges all over the country
I doubt if students in a computer lab would have much interest in posting on this forum....and if they were, they would be posting seeking a decrease in student fees , not an increase as I have advocated, so they pay a higher cost towards their education, including taking out a loan if necessary.0 -
I doubt if students in a computer lab would have much interest in posting on this forum....and if they were, they would be posting seeking a decrease in student fees , not an increase as I have advocated, so they pay a higher cost towards their education, including taking out a loan if necessary.
I posted on these boards whilst I was in college, I doubt I was the only one. As much as I dislike students, they aren't all bindge drinkers looking for other people to pay for their four years of craic. Thousand are though, sadly
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You should try living outside the pale where you have to pay for private bin collection and water treatment.
People in citys/ towns / villages "outside the pale" as you call it, do not have water meters or pay for water consumption in their homes. Business pay, yes, but not private dwellings. Bin collection is tax deductible and if you recycle most of your waste there is very little rubbish, and it does'nt cost 1500 a year to get rid of that 0 -
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People in citys/ towns / villages "outside the pale" as you call it, do not have water meters or pay for water consumption in their homes. Business pay, yes, but not private dwellings. Bin collection is tax deductible and if you recycle most of your waste there is very little rubbish, and it does'nt cost 1500 a year to get rid of that
I'm not talking about water consumption. I'm referring to water filtration and softening systems which need to be installed in dwellings as a result of the bad quality of water supplied.0 -
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In London and other big uk cities they used to say that when you drunk a glass of water, it had been drunken eight times beforeI'm not talking about water consumption. I'm referring to water filtration and softening systems which need to be installed in dwellings as a result of the bad quality of water supplied.. With so much water falling in Ireland over such a wide, green area for a much smaller population, you would think that if anyone needed the filtration, it would be those across the water.
Anyway, tap water should be safe enough to drink, it does not say much for the government if its not. At least in this country private houses do not pay water rates, or property tax. Thats a huge saving compared to the UK, in fairness.0 -
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