PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

nullzero · 06-03-2011 11:29PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

I thought it was funny how big bird ran all the way from the goal to get involved then got a yellow for his trouble,

I'm sure it sounded better in your head:pac:

parker kent · 06-03-2011 11:29PM

K-9 wrote: »

But you realise arguing Rafael wouldn't have got a red is hypothetical too?

He wouldn't have got a red card for the same offence. He may have got a red card for some other offence, who knows? But the events would not have followed the same pattern. Think about it, there would likely have been a substitution. Then Liverpool players would have had to switch around to suit whatever new formation they had. The free kick would have played out differently as Carragher would not have been there. The atmosphere in the stadium would have been different. Everything would be different so the same things literally could not happen. For play to lead to the Rafael tackle, the same players would have had to be in the same positions and do the same things. With a change in formation and personnel, that could not happen. Ergo, the Rafael tackle we are talking about would not have happened. Maybe a different one would have happened, but we don't know.

The difference between me saying that and the post I replied to is that I am saying I don't know what would have happened, whereas he was 100% sure of what would happen. I see that as a big difference. I still think it is likely Liverpool would have seen the game out and won, but it would have been a different game.

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 11:29PM

Melion wrote: »

Do you think Rooney or Vidic would have stayed off?
Keane? Bruce? Pallister? Ince?*

I have no idea lad, none of us have any idea of the severity of the injury. Whats the point in speculating about an injury when all we know of it are a few photos, the legitimacy of which half of us don't even trust.

*Ince definitely not though, big time Charlies are severely lacking in bottle.:pac:

argosy2006 · 06-03-2011 11:30PM

nullzero wrote: »

I'm sure it sounded better in your head:pac:

iTS FUNNY AND YOU KNOW IT, they could be related haha

nullzero · 06-03-2011 11:30PM

flahavaj wrote: »

The difference is Gerrard hasn't a history of embarrassing diving and play acting though.

Oh wait.....

At least Nani hasn't publicly contradicted himself on the diving issue.

michael999999 · 06-03-2011 11:31PM

flahavaj wrote: »

I found it funny how Reina ran in after the Nani incident to push all the Liverpool players away from his future team mate. Great team player, he'll do well for us I think.;)

Not quiet as funny as rooney laughing at nani as they tried to get him on the stretcher, hes doing well for 240k a week!

daithijjj · 06-03-2011 11:32PM

Just fkin lol at the diving discussion, hands up who has no divers on their team?..............ah grand, let that put an end to that.

There isnt a player in the land who wouldnt do it if he thought he was good enough at it to get away with it, singling out the better players is just pure grade A bitterness because in your heart of hearts you know theres a clown exactly the same on your own team, man up, get the fk over it, part of football in the digital age.

Victor McDade · 06-03-2011 11:33PM

Nani's injury from football365.com....
Not embedding as it's pretty bad.

http://yfrog.com/hs4gz1j

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 11:34PM

nullzero wrote: »

At least Nani hasn't publicly contradicted himself on the diving issue.

Yes consistency in diving is far more admirable.

tommyhaas · 06-03-2011 11:35PM

flahavaj wrote: »

A big part of it would probably be the club not wanting to run the risk of anything else controversial being said afeter what was a very heated and controversial game. We don't need anything else to happen within an FA heaqring already hanging over Fergie. A wise decision really in the circumstances.

That maybe true but I dont believe for a second anyone other then Fergie made this decision, he's the kind of person (and rightly so) who does what he wants in that regard. Didnt someone say that MOTD2 reported that the decision was made prior to the game?

flahavaj wrote: »

Its all cheating tbh.

There is no doubting he was badly injured today and in a lot of pain. I also think there's no hope he would've stayed off the pitch unless he was legit injured, contrary to what some are trying to suggest. Its not as simple as just stapling up the cut and running it off, there would be a huge amount of swelling etc.

Yea its all cheating, and Im not condoning it, however I have far more respect for the Rooney/Gerrards of this world then I do for the likes of Nani etc. Really strikes me as a case of the boy who cried wolfe. Had that been Scholes/Giggs on the ground, they wouldnt have immediately got up to remonstrate with the ref, and I believe the ref would have assumed the tackle to have been more serious as Nani at this stage has no credability in this regard

stumpypeeps · 06-03-2011 11:35PM

Victor McDade wrote: »

Nani's injury from football365.com....
Not embedding as it's pretty bad.

http://yfrog.com/hs4gz1j

I've had worse paper cuts.

nullzero · 06-03-2011 11:36PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Yes consistency in diving is far more admirable.

It's abhorant plain and simple, but Gerrard bemoaning the dark arts of diving one minute and jumping knee deep into it himself the next is laughable.

parker kent · 06-03-2011 11:36PM

Melion wrote: »

Do you think Rooney or Vidic would have stayed off?
Keane? Bruce? Pallister? Ince?

Yes, if the doctor says to stay off, players stay off. If he legitimately had a large gash, then you can't play football with an open wound these days. There are safety and health reasons as well as the possible infections you can get. If the medical advice is to stay off, then they stay off.

Mister men · 06-03-2011 11:36PM

I feel bad for Nani but crying like a little girl, come on ffs. You'd swear his leg snapped in two pieces instead of a gash.

nullzero · 06-03-2011 11:38PM

Mister men wrote: »

I feel bad for Nani but crying like a little girl, come on ffs. You'd swear his leg snapped in two pieces instead of a gash.

It has long since been established that Nani is a gee bag.
I'm like many a United fan, sick of his crap.

K-9 · 06-03-2011 11:38PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Its all cheating tbh.

There is no doubting he was badly injured today and in a lot of pain. I also think there's no hope he would've stayed off the pitch unless he was legit injured, contrary to what some are trying to suggest. Its not as simple as just stapling up the cut and running it off, there would be a huge amount of swelling etc.

The getting up and protesting to the ref part, kind of misled the Liverpool fans as to the seriousness of the injury!

It was hilarious, even Rooney acknowledged the stupidity!

Mister men · 06-03-2011 11:41PM

Victor McDade wrote: »

Nani's injury from football365.com....
Not embedding as it's pretty bad.

http://yfrog.com/hs4gz1j

That's a close up making it look bigger than it really is imo. It's a bad gash but i don't think United will be having a 24/7 bedside vigil for Nani hoping he pulls through. Can you imagine a Kevin Moran or Souness crying on the field of play.

Brian017 · 06-03-2011 11:41PM

Can we all lay off Nani? None of us know how serious or how painful it was

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 11:41PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

That maybe true but I dont believe for a second anyone other then Fergie made this decision, he's the kind of person (and rightly so) who does what he wants in that regard. Didnt someone say that MOTD2 reported that the decision was made prior to the game?

Good for him if he did. He was dead right.

Yea its all cheating, and Im not condoning it, however I have far more respect for the Rooney/Gerrards of this world then I do for the likes of Nani etc. Really strikes me as a case of the boy who cried wolfe. Had that been Scholes/Giggs on the ground, they wouldnt have immediately got up to remonstrate with the ref, and I believe the ref would have assumed the tackle to have been more serious as Nani at this stage has no credability in this regard

I despise anyone that dives or playacts, regardless of the club. Nani's carry on drives me mad and I was glad to see he had made a big improvement on that score in teh last few months. To a certain extent I agree that he has only himself to blame for the reputation he has earned. Its hard to put any player in Nani's position and say how they'd have reacted. Giggsy for example is well able to mouth off to refs when he wants. Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that a player would get clattered and get up in the heat of the moment with the accompanying adrenalin rush to complain to the ref only to then realise they couldn't continue is it? Its not the most outrageous behavious in the worls, it just seesm worse because its Nani doing it. And that as I said is partly his own fault alright.

parker kent · 06-03-2011 11:43PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Yes consistency in diving is far more admirable.

I think he is referring to these comments by Steven Gerrard.

Players like Carvalho and Ronaldo are damaging football”

“If I saw a team-mate doing it (diving), I would definitely have a word”.

“I don't think there's anything worse than a player diving when no one's been anywhere near him. It does ruin the game.”

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/1969/38/

argosy2006 · 06-03-2011 11:44PM

Brian017 wrote: »

Can we all lay off Nani? None of us know how serious or how painful it was

He doesnt see a gash often, He got emotional,

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 11:45PM

parker kent wrote: »

I think he is referring to these comments by Steven Gerrard.

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/1969/38/

Aye, I got the wrong end of the stick there nullzero, sorry horse. I'm like the Kop when Liverpool are playing sh*te, all too quick to turn on my own.:pac:

nullzero · 06-03-2011 11:45PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

He doesnt see a gash often, He got emtional,

With the money he's making I'd say he see's more gash than everyone here put together:pac:

K-9 · 06-03-2011 11:46PM

parker kent wrote: »

He wouldn't have got a red card for the same offence. He may have got a red card for some other offence, who knows? But the events would not have followed the same pattern. Think about it, there would likely have been a substitution. Then Liverpool players would have had to switch around to suit whatever new formation they had. The free kick would have played out differently as Carragher would not have been there. The atmosphere in the stadium would have been different. Everything would be different so the same things literally could not happen. For play to lead to the Rafael tackle, the same players would have had to be in the same positions and do the same things. With a change in formation and personnel, that could not happen. Ergo, the Rafael tackle we are talking about would not have happened. Maybe a different one would have happened, but we don't know.

The difference between me saying that and the post I replied to is that I am saying I don't know what would have happened, whereas he was 100% sure of what would happen. I see that as a big difference. I still think it is likely Liverpool would have seen the game out and won, but it would have been a different game.

We probably would have got more defensive.

In this parallel universe of yours

, say Liverpool got a dodgy penalty decision, you'd be moaning about that and saying, if Carra wasn't sent of, ye'd never have got that.

Who knows what would have happened. Maybe United would have scored an offside goal.

One thing is for sure, we'd still be moaning.

argosy2006 · 06-03-2011 11:47PM

Latest nani pics released,

adox · 06-03-2011 11:48PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

Latest nani pics released,

I try not to do this but.............:rolleyes:

Chucky the tree · 06-03-2011 11:49PM

nullzero wrote: »

With the money he's making I'd say he see's more gash than everyone here put together:pac:

The problem is the only gash he wants to see is the one at the end of another man's penis.

daithijjj · 06-03-2011 11:49PM

nullzero wrote: »

With the money he's making I'd say he see's more gash than everyone here put together:pac:

Wayne will probably google 'nani's 4 inch gash' and get a few extra results tonight.

* sorry, gets coat.

tommyhaas · 06-03-2011 11:49PM

flahavaj wrote: »

I'm like the Kop when Liverpool are playing sh*te, all too quick to turn on my own.:pac:

You would never see that at Old Trafford. The fans would be having a few drinks and probably the prawn sandwiches, and wouldnt realise what's going on out on the pitch

K-9 · 06-03-2011 11:50PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Aye, I got the wrong end of the stick there nullzero, sorry horse. I'm like the Kop when Liverpool are playing sh*te, all too quick to turn on my own.:pac:

Bit like the United thread moaning before Xmas or when your top of the league?

PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

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