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PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    It has been a long, difficult, and ardous search.

    But finally, it has been discovered.

    ...For this thread is the last remaining bastion of morality on the Internet. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Liam O wrote: »
    what did Nani do that upset you? Should he have stayed standing on that and risked further injury? What are you saying he should have done?

    I do think Nani should have acted differently. He shouldn't have gone over to the ref and fallen in front of him and swung his legs in the air like an idiot. Yes you can be injured and not realise it, but even Nani's fall was over dramatic and idiotic. If he was in real pain and concern for his leg at the time when he went down in front of the ref he wouldn't have waved his legs up in the air. He was continuing the play acting. He was embarrassing the club. And it's players like him who very often make football horrible to watch.
    Unlucky United! Pathetic tactical performance from Fergie, time to give it up old timer.

    lol. You are clueless.
    Playing Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez with no width whatsoever.

    Wrong. Completely wrong. He didn't choose to play Rooney out there, his hand was forced by injury. And even when Rooney was LM, he did actually stay wide. There was plenty of width. The problem was the lack of quality all across the midfield. And the goals conceded obviously didn't help.

    And as for Nani's tackle, I'm sure United fans know a lot about bad tackles.
    Two wrongs don't make a right. Seriously, it's only usually children you have to explain that too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    amiable wrote: »
    Oh my you really don't have a clue

    All huge talents, all under 20. There's queston marks over them all, kike there are over any lad their age. But there's no need for you to be so dismissive really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Didn't read thread, dont know what stupid things people are arguing about for 20 pages a go, just wanted to say..............


    YEROOWWWWWWW !



    :D:D:D:D





    get in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭colly10


    Liam O wrote: »
    when have I said Rafael's shouldn't have been a red :rolleyes:

    why is everyone twisting my words in this thread?

    So Rafa's should have been a red, and Carra's should have been a red. So what are you moaning about then?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    You wouldn't be upset and irrational after getting injured badly in a massive game? Plus, we know Nani is already a bit of a fool.
    I smashed my ankle in a pretty big game years ago and i didn't carry on like Nani.
    Granted it wasn't Liverpool vs United but it was a decent level game.
    Nani is a tool.
    Carragher should have seen red.
    United constantly harrassing referees in games might have count against them today.
    United can't complain about referees. They get more than their fair share of decisions in their favour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭CR 7


    Liam O wrote: »
    ...Rafael's shouldn't have been a red...

    :eek:


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I do think Nani should have acted differently. He shouldn't have gone over to the ref and fallen in front of him and swung his legs in the air like an idiot. Yes you can be injured and not realise it, but even Nani's fall was over dramatic and idiotic. If he was in real pain and concern for his leg at the time when he went down in front of the ref he wouldn't have waved his legs up in the air. He was continuing the play acting. He was embarrassing the club. And it's players like him who very often make football horrible to watch.
    you said that doesn't excuse Nani's persona, that was why I quoted, cheers for clearing that up. Yes he may have acted out a bit but I've seen worse from tackles with no contact and people react to pain differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,872 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    spockety wrote: »
    It has been a long, difficult, and ardous search.

    But finally, it has been discovered.

    ...For this thread is the last remaining bastion of morality on the Internet. :D

    lol, wp! :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    One other thing i noticed that i cant see in the video of the tackle. Just after Nani lashes out at the ambulance worker, Rooney walks across the camera laughing. At least it looked like that when watching the match earlier, even his own team-mate was laughing at him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Thought Rafael was the only United player to burst forward and try to have something created more than once today. At times their midfield looked aweful static


  • Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    amiable wrote: »
    Oh my you really don't have a clue

    Why don't I have a clue?

    Are they not young players like say Kelly and Shelvey?

    Good post though would read again.


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    amiable wrote: »
    I smashed my ankle in a pretty big game years ago and i didn't carry on like Nani.
    Granted it wasn't Liverpool vs United but it was a decent level game.
    Nani is a tool.
    Carragher should have seen red.
    United constantly harrassing referees in games might have count against them today.
    United can't complain about referees. They get more than their fair share of decisions in their favour
    2 big games in a row where refs have wrongly not sent off an opponent. United got one before that against Wigan but that wasn't as easy to see for the ref as the last 2 were. These were clear cut sendings off that even opposition fans haven't defended. Liverpool players were all over the ref after that Carragher incident too so please don't bring that harass the ref crap into it.

    The only thing that has angered me more than these decisions have been the deplorable performances from United from 45 minutes into the Chelsea game and it's quite clear something has to be done. It's not so much the personnel I have a problem with, it's the attitude they are showing and the approach to the game. There is no discernible style to United's play and the coaching seems to be let individuals win the game because they are not playing like a team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    flahavaj wrote: »
    All huge talents, all under 20. There's queston marks over them all, kike there are over any lad their age. But there's no need for you to be so dismissive really.
    I personally don't rate the twins.
    Danny Welbeck i don't think would have been loaned out again at his age if Fergie thought he was good enough.
    I think Fergie usually keeps the good kids at that age.
    It will make me very happy if thats the best young talent united have coming through


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Melion wrote: »
    One other thing i noticed that i cant see in the video of the tackle. Just after Nani lashes out at the ambulance worker, Rooney walks across the camera laughing. At least it looked like that when watching the match earlier, even his own team-mate was laughing at him.
    Nani couldn't even see the ambulance worker when he accidentally hit him, so stop talking about it as if he looked at him and gave him a closed fist to the face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭dannydiamond


    Fact of the matter is that Carragher would have gone if it wasn't for Nanis ridic theatrics every weekend.
    You reep what you sow and he got taught his lesson today.


  • Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    amiable wrote: »
    I personally don't rate the twins.
    Danny Welbeck i don't think would have been loaned out again at his age if Fergie thought he was good enough.
    I think Fergie usually keeps the good kids at that age.
    It will make me very happy if thats the best young talent united have coming through

    You personally don't rate them. Oh noes, this guy doesn't rate them.:rolleyes:

    I think there attacking ability is unquestionable but need work on the fiery tempers and positioning. Rafael kept Ronaldinho quiet when they matched up so he's hardly terrible.

    I think the loan move has been excellent for him. Fwiw, Beckham was loaned out at the same age to Preston so null and void. Well done. try again?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    amiable wrote: »
    I personally don't rate the twins.
    Danny Welbeck i don't think would have been loaned out again at his age if Fergie thought he was good enough.
    I think Fergie usually keeps the good kids at that age.
    It will make me very happy if thats the best young talent united have coming through

    But they have Macheda :D


  • Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Melion wrote: »
    But they have Macheda :D

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOZZzZzzZz11!11!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    amiable wrote: »
    I personally don't rate the twins.
    Danny Welbeck i don't think would have been loaned out again at his age if Fergie thought he was good enough.
    I think Fergie usually keeps the good kids at that age.
    It will make me very happy if thats the best young talent united have coming through

    Better for Welbeck to have been playing PL football regularly than reserve games surely? He's done great up there and will surely now come back to Utd having shown he can cut it at this level. He'll replace Owen quite well next season as 4th choice striker IMO. Writing hiom off purely on the basis that he was loaned out is a bit silly tbh. Sure wasn't Beckham loaned out when he was a kid?

    There's plenty other young talent coming through as well as was pointed out earlier. We have very high hopes for Cleverly, Tunnicliffe, Morrison, Pogba and Josh King amongst others.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Liam O wrote: »
    Nani couldn't even see the ambulance worker when he accidentally hit him, so stop talking about it as if he looked at him and gave him a closed fist to the face.

    Did i say that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Headshot wrote: »
    Heat of the moment?

    pro will you ****ing give it a break, the heat of the moment is in the bar, not when your replying to the thread and typing and probably seeing the replay

    please dont give me that ****e.

    How do you know it isnt a bad injury? Looks pretty bad to me and he wouldnt be going off other wise.

    I know your dislike for nani but please dont even try to justify the likes of LL posts.

    Man of course there's heat of the moment in internet discussions. If there wasn't then people wouldn't get infracted so much and these match threads wouldn't melt down so hard.

    I didn't say it wasn't a bad injury. I said that the fans will be happy to see opposition players going off unless it's a horrific injury - I know I am and there's nothing wrong with that imo.

    This wasn't a horrific injury. The mad gnarly looking leg breaks we've all seen are what I would call horrific injuries to be going off with. Maybe this will turn out to be a bad injury or a difficult recovery, but it wasn't anything like horrific imo.

    Lloyd didn't say anything bad that I could find in this match thread. Maybe he's happy for Nani to get a nasty injury, but I haven't seen him say that. Maybe, when thinking about it in out-of-match objectivity, he's happy for Carragher to make horrible tackles like that one today, but I haven't seen him say that either. If he does say something like that then I would criticise him about it, but until then I think people are being way too over sensitive about what he has actually said. There's been a massive amount of jumping to conclusions as far as I can see.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOZZzZzzZz11!11!

    As you just said, good post, would read again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Fact of the matter is that Carragher would have gone if it wasn't for Nanis ridic theatrics every weekend.
    You reep what you sow and he got taught his lesson today.

    I honestly think this is the case. If the referee thinks it a borderline situation or doesn't get a clear view, he's going to side with the defender because he knows what kind of player Nani is, and knows that he fakes injury to try and get players sent off.


  • Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Melion wrote: »
    As you just said, good post, would read again!

    It was, could have been more condescending though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Better for Welbeck to have been playing PL football regularly than reserve games surely? He's done great up there and will surely now come back to Utd having shown he can cut it at this level. He'll replace Owen quite well next season as 4th choice striker IMO. Writing hiom off purely on the basis that he was loaned out is a bit silly tbh. Sure wasn't Beckham loaned out when he was a kid?

    There's plenty other young talent coming through as well as was pointed out earlier. We have very high hopes for Cleverly, Tunnicliffe, Morrison, Pogba and Josh King amongst others.
    Did i ridicule the other players you have listed?
    You jumped to the defence of a two bob united supporter who hasn't a clue.

    I think Welbeck has found his level tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Fact of the matter is that Carragher would have gone if it wasn't for Nanis ridic theatrics every weekend.
    You reep what you sow and he got taught his lesson today.

    So a players reaction is more important in determining a red card than the actual tackle itself?

    Yeah, please tell me more.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Happened with Ronaldo too. Got a reputation for play acting and as a result ended up not getting many legitimate free kicks because of his reputation.


  • Posts: 731 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    amiable wrote: »
    Did i ridicule the other players you have listed?
    You jumped to the defence of a two bob united supporter who hasn't a clue.

    I think Welbeck has found his level tbh.

    Back that up. What exactly have I said that's wrong? You clearly haven't a clue tbh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    So a players reaction is more important in determining a red card than the actual tackle itself?

    Yeah, please tell me more.:rolleyes:

    Nani's known for diving, faking injuries and trying to get players sent off. He pretends to be injured so much that when he actually is, people don't believe him.


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