PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

Oranage2 · 06-03-2011 06:48PM

monkey9 wrote: »

So what, he drew the gash onto his leg with a special marker he had hidden in his socks??

that picture is obviously doctored - the picture I seen of his leg would have only needed a plaster to fix - It was deffinetly a challenge that Carra was sending Nani a message but there was no intent to brake a leg and the challenge could never brake a leg

stumpypeeps · 06-03-2011 06:49PM

Headshot wrote: »

Im not mad tbh

Liverpool were the much better team and totally deserve to trash us but what im sickened by is posts patting carra on the back for his leg breaker of a tackle and actually happy with it

btw your pretty sad with those gif and pics, your a broken record by now

edit

also your posts are rawk material so I reckon there's some vacancies on that site for ya

Where has anyone posted that?

BERBA · 06-03-2011 06:49PM

Liam O wrote: »

The reason there isn't is because people have the notion that all Nani does is play act, 'ah sure he's faking it'

But thats all Nani does is play act , he ran after the ref today and then decided to go down

and the oscar goes to.........:rolleyes:

spiralism · 06-03-2011 06:49PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Nothing was done when Barca murdered us in 2009 or when a Bayern side that really was no great shakes beat us last year either.

I've tried to argue Fergie's corner about the neglect of the midfield the last few years but the last week has depressed me beyond belief. You can count on one hand the anount of times United have properly bossed a game against a bigger team in the past few years. To go to Anfield and be so thoroughly outplayed by a what in reality is as mediocre a Liverpool team as there has been in decades is unacceptable.

I completely agree, it's quite worrying at any rate. No doubt, we could go out of the CL in little over a week's time if we're not careful, yet i dunno will anything be done about the midfield....Anxious times ahead this summer.

06-03-2011 06:50PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The results of tackles should bear no relation to how they are punished. If Nani had hurdled out of Carragher's way it should still be a red card tackle.

Earlier in the thread someone argued that Rafeals wasn't a red card because the Liverpool player concerned jumped straight up from it unharmed, and Carraghers was because Nani was hurt. That line of reasoning is deeply flawed.

no, that's not what I mean, I didn't get a great look at the slo-mo of Rafs tackle but it was two footed and along the ground no? Dangerous yes, leg breaker no, I know every tackle is a 'potential' leg breaker if you look at it in a way but imo, if you lined up 100 people and did Rafs tackle to them, maybe 5 would be seriously injured, whereas if you did Carra's a much higher % would be injured badly imo.

Drumpot · 06-03-2011 06:51PM

In today's game the better, hungrier team won. Of that I have no doubt. The carragher incident was shocking and I have absolutely no doubt that had that been a united Player there would be riots right now irresPective of performance or score.

With that in mind I want to commend the united fans for showing others what humility and objectivity represents.

In any Liverpool game in the past it never ceased to amaze me how Many different things that Liverpool fans found to blame defeats on everything other then their team. Despite the obvious poor big decision I am glad no unitEd fan has reverted to this sad desperation.

In terms of people slagging nani . Shame on you sad cases. When he is out of line, by all means highlight it. When he is attacked like that keep your mouth shut if you can't even accept when he is badly wronged! The guy had to go off injured ffs!

LuckyLloyd · 06-03-2011 06:52PM

spiralism wrote: »

Indeed. A tackle shouldn't be judged on the damage it does or doesnt do. Many a player has been injured by a reasonable tackle and many have got up and walked off after a horror lunge.

Exactly, but the whole game (FA / media / fans) forget the latter incidents much more quickly. As a result, such behaviour will never be eradicated from the game because the majority of the time players put in a potential career ending tackle they face little or no repercussion for it.

parker kent · 06-03-2011 06:53PM

Liam O wrote: »

this is pretty much a good summary of what I think, except the point on Nani. I mean he clearly wasn't play acting, that's one of the worst tackles this season and he got on his feet and quickly realised he was fúcked and went down. What's the big issue here?

His general hysterical reaction really, shouting at everybody around him. Fair enough he was probably hurt (Man United website is reporting he has a deep gash), but he went OTT in my view. When an opposition player is trying to calm you down (albeit an international team mate), you know the reaction is OTT. Sure a deep gash can hurt, but I'm not convinced he had to act like he did. Maybe I'm doing him a disservice and he genuinely was put down by pain, but that would be a case of the boy who cried wolf being ignored.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Mar/Reds-to-assess-Nani.aspx

United will assess Nani at Carrington on Monday morning following his injury in the Reds' 3-1 defeat at Anfield.

A club spokeswoman confirmed on Sunday afternoon that the Portuguese winger suffered a "very deep gash" in his ft leg after Jamie Carragher's challenge shortly before half-time. The Liverpool defender was booked by referee Phil Dowd and Nani played no further part in the match. He was carried off the field on a stretcher and replaced by substitute Javier Hernandez who later scored United's only goal with a header in injury time.

While fans will naturally be worried about Nani - one of United's best players of the season so far - there was some encouraging news in that his fellow winger Antonio Valencia was part of the Reds' travelling party for the Liverpool game.

The Ecuadorian was not named among the seven substitutes by Sir Alex Ferguson but his presence at Anfield, combined with his recent return to full-contact training, suggests a comeback may be close.

monkey9 · 06-03-2011 06:54PM

I think Utd fans are just arguing with themselves at this stage. No Liverpool fan has denied that Carragher's tackle was worthy of a red card.

One Liverpool has said that he was delighted with the challenge.

I really don't see what else needs to be said about Carragher's tackle. Like Rafael, he should have seen red. They both didn't. Big deal. Yet Utd fans drone on and on and on.

citytillidie · 06-03-2011 06:54PM

Drumpot wrote: »

In today's game the better, hungrier team won. Of that I have no doubt. The carragher incident was shocking and I have absolutely no doubt that had that been a united Player there would be riots right now irresPective of performance or score.

With that in mind I want to commend the united fans for showing others what humility and objectivity represents.

In any Liverpool game in the past it never ceased to amaze me how Many different things that Liverpool fans found to blame defeats on everything other then their team. Despite the obvious poor big decision I am glad no unitEd fan has reverted to this sad desperation.

In terms of people slagging nani . Shame on you sad cases. When he is out of line, by all means highlight it. When he is attacked like that keep your mouth shut if you can't even accept when he is badly wronged! The guy had to go off injured ffs!

Have you missed all of Liam O's posts?

LuckyLloyd · 06-03-2011 06:54PM

Liam O wrote: »

no, that's not what I mean, I didn't get a great look at the slo-mo of Rafs tackle but it was two footed and along the ground no? Dangerous yes, leg breaker no, I know every tackle is a 'potential' leg breaker if you look at it in a way but imo, if you lined up 100 people and did Rafs tackle to them, maybe 5 would be seriously injured, whereas if you did Carra's a much higher % would be injured badly imo.

I mean, you might want to go back and look at the second challenge again. We'll have to agree to disagree here, the game is better off without either tackle - but this line of argument will not prove constructive.

Drumpot · 06-03-2011 06:55PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

that picture is obviously doctored - the picture I seen of his leg would have only needed a plaster to fix - It was deffinetly a challenge that Carra was sending Nani a message but there was no intent to brake a leg and the challenge could never brake a leg

A message from the knee down . Love the deluded opinions of pool fans defending it. No red and nani went off injured. I'm sure pool fans would of seen it differently were it gerrard off and a tackle by Gary Neville !

Nalz · 06-03-2011 06:55PM

monkey9 wrote: »

One Liverpool has said that he was delighted with the challenge.

I really don't see what else needs to be said about Carragher's tackle. Like Rafael, he should have seen red. They both didn't. Big deal. Yet Utd fans drone on and on and on.

I agree and I was guilty for expressing my annoyance at the post. We should move on.

Mr.Crinklewood · 06-03-2011 06:56PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Where has anyone posted that?

Here

ollie1 wrote: »

He is going off on a stretcher wtf ha ha ha ha :pac:

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Great stuff from Carragher - delighted to see Nani ****ed out of the game.

Just a super half. Pressed savagely and made it ferociously difficult for them in possession. Used it well with great movement off the ball from Suarez, Meireles and Kuyt.

Losing Aurelio is a blow, and we'll have some hairy moments in the second half. Need to keep pushing high up the park and trying to be ambitious with the ball. One time.

Would not call these guys football supporters, would say more about them that the team they support.

ollie1, if this was just a reaction to Nani jumping around the place and not to the fact that he was injured i apologise.

06-03-2011 06:56PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxxFH5B_3ks

here it is, Carragher goes over the top, Nani gets up and is like 'look at my leg' then Stevie comes over, Nani goes down clearly in pain and then Stevie decides that he went down easy and should get back up

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 06:56PM

spiralism wrote: »

I completely agree, it's quite worrying at any rate. No doubt, we could go out of the CL in little over a week's time if we're not careful, yet i dunno will anything be done about the midfield....Anxious times ahead this summer.

Going out to Marseille would be no major disaster IMO. No way in hell we are good enough to win the CL either way, so going out early might at least help us to drag ourselves over the line for the league. Hopefully we manage to get No. 19 out of the way this season and pray something will be done in the Summer. Don't hold your breath though, who knows what kind of consraints the club is working under in the transfer market.

monkey9 · 06-03-2011 06:57PM

Drumpot wrote: »

In today's game the better, hungrier team won. Of that I have no doubt. The carragher incident was shocking and I have absolutely no doubt that had that been a united Player there would be riots right now irresPective of performance or score.

With that in mind I want to commend the united fans for showing others what humility and objectivity represents.

In any Liverpool game in the past it never ceased to amaze me how Many different things that Liverpool fans found to blame defeats on everything other then their team. Despite the obvious poor big decision I am glad no unitEd fan has reverted to this sad desperation.

In terms of people slagging nani . Shame on you sad cases. When he is out of line, by all means highlight it. When he is attacked like that keep your mouth shut if you can't even accept when he is badly wronged! The guy had to go off injured ffs!

:pac: :pac:

Drumpot · 06-03-2011 06:58PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Have you missed all of Liam O's posts?

One fan represents the entire fanbase?

I have looked on several different forums and it's quite obvious that a majority of united fans are more upset with their team then any bad decision.

colly10 · 06-03-2011 06:59PM

Liam O wrote: »

no, that's not what I mean, I didn't get a great look at the slo-mo of Rafs tackle but it was two footed and along the ground no? Dangerous yes, leg breaker no, I know every tackle is a 'potential' leg breaker if you look at it in a way but imo, if you lined up 100 people and did Rafs tackle to them, maybe 5 would be seriously injured, whereas if you did Carra's a much higher % would be injured badly imo.

It wasn't along the ground, I don't know what people are arguing about, both were red cards. I felt Rafs tackle was worse, both feet were off the ground and all his weight was behind it. On the other hand it's harder to argue Carra didn't mean it.
The level of bias on here is unreal, both should have been sent off, neither were, so ye'd want to be biased to claim favouritism here

#15 · 06-03-2011 06:59PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Nothing was done when Barca murdered us in 2009 or when a Bayern side that really was no great shakes beat us last year either.

I've tried to argue Fergie's corner about the neglect of the midfield the last few years but the last week has depressed me beyond belief. You can count on one hand the anount of times United have properly bossed a game against a bigger team in the past few years. To go to Anfield and be so thoroughly outplayed by a what in reality is as mediocre a Liverpool team as there has been in decades is unacceptable.

Good points but I think 2009 and 2010 were not breaking points for Ferguson. There was always a reason to avoid buying:
-Carrick had a dip
-Fletcher is developing, ditto Anderson
-Hargreaves will be back
-Scholes can do one more season

I think all of those reasons are pretty much gone, bar Anderson, who is still developing.

I guess it comes down to believing if SAF can fix the midfield or not. I think he can do it. I'm writing this off as a transition period for Utd - I think we're in the process of building the next team.
Some of the blocks are in place (Rafael, Hernandez, Smalling, Nani, Fletcher, Rooney?, Valencia, Fabio, Evans, Anderson, plus a few more squad players) - I think that's our core group going forward. I anticipate a few solid long-term additions in one form or another, over the next two/three years.

monkey9 · 06-03-2011 07:00PM

Drumpot wrote: »

A message from the knee down . Love the deluded opinions of pool fans defending it. No red and nani went off injured. I'm sure pool fans would of seen it differently were it gerrard off and a tackle by Gary Neville !

See what differently?? It was a red card, no Liverpool fan is disputing this.

You're making up an arguement that isn't there and arguing with yourself.

06-03-2011 07:04PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Have you missed all of Liam O's posts?

when did I blame the decision on how the game went. I said it could have changed the game in one of my posts but in that same post I said that it was no excuse for United's performance, just because I'm talking about it doesn't mean I'm blaming it for how the game went.

amiable · 06-03-2011 07:05PM

peterswellman wrote: »

And we have Pogba, Morrisson, Welbeck, Rafael, Fabio amongst others aswell. These lads will be players for the future. There are plenty others too. Josh King etc.

See, I love the writing off of United I really do. the debt, the lack of signings blah, blah blah. I'd prefer us to develop these guys than spunk 30 million on Berbatov. If it takes years for these lads to come through then so be it.

Oh my you really don't have a clue

Mr.Crinklewood · 06-03-2011 07:06PM

Drumpot wrote: »

In today's game the better, hungrier team won. Of that I have no doubt. The carragher incident was shocking and I have absolutely no doubt that had that been a united Player there would be riots right now irresPective of performance or score.

With that in mind I want to commend the united fans for showing others what humility and objectivity represents.

In any Liverpool game in the past it never ceased to amaze me how Many different things that Liverpool fans found to blame defeats on everything other then their team. Despite the obvious poor big decision I am glad no unitEd fan has reverted to this sad desperation.

In terms of people slagging nani . Shame on you sad cases. When he is out of line, by all means highlight it. When he is attacked like that keep your mouth shut if you can't even accept when he is badly wronged! The guy had to go off injured ffs!

Well i blame Gillett and Hicks, Hodgson, and Penelope Keith for todays defeat.

K-9 · 06-03-2011 07:07PM

Liam O wrote: »

no it wasn't, it was two footed and a bad tackle that deserved a red but I've never seen a leg broken from a tackle like that, I have however seen it multiple times from tackles like Carragher's.

Also I'm sick of how nobody seems to have anything to say about Carragher's other than 'Well Rafael made a bad tackle after' Carragher should have been off and while there is no excuse for Rafael's tackle it wouldn't have happened if Carragher had been sent off.

So there is an excuse for Rafael's tackle!

06-03-2011 07:08PM

colly10 wrote: »

It wasn't along the ground, I don't know what people are arguing about, both were red cards. I felt Rafs tackle was worse, both feet were off the ground and all his weight was behind it. On the other hand it's harder to argue Carra didn't mean it.
The level of bias on here is unreal, both should have been sent off, neither were, so ye'd want to be biased to claim favouritism here

when have I said Rafael's shouldn't have been a red :rolleyes:

why is everyone twisting my words in this thread?

flahavaj · 06-03-2011 07:08PM

#15 wrote: »

Good points but I think 2009 and 2010 were not breaking points for Ferguson. There was always a reason to avoid buying:
-Carrick had a dip
-Fletcher is developing, ditto Anderson
-Hargreaves will be back
-Scholes can do one more season

I think all of those reasons are pretty much gone, bar Anderson, who is still developing.

I guess it comes down to believing if SAF can fix the midfield or not. I think he can do it. I'm writing this off as a transition period for Utd - I think we're in the process of building the next team.
Some of the blocks are in place (Rafael, Hernandez, Smalling, Nani, Fletcher, Rooney?, Valencia, Fabio, Evans, Anderson, plus a few more squad players) - I think that's our core group going forward. I anticipate a few solid long-term additions in one form or another, over the next two/three years.

Of course Fergie can fix the midfield, there are dozens of players out there who would improve the situation. The big question is -

1. Does Fergie still believe that "getting away with it" like we have done and relying on out defence and attack to get the job done is sustainable for another season. Because looking around, there;s nothing that threatening in the rest of the league and apart from Barca nothing too frightening out there in Europe. If he got the midfield right there s a huge opportunity there for us to end his United career with a sizeable haul of trophies.

2. Will he be backed? No one knows the answer to this unfortunately. I certainly don't believe the boll*x in the papers about there being £100m to spend anyway.

06-03-2011 07:08PM

Pro. F wrote: »

In the posts that I quoted. You were trying to deflect criticism from him for making a swipe at the dude.

Again, No I didn't. I merely said I could understand his hurt and upset. I don't think I once condoned it.

Drumpot · 06-03-2011 07:09PM

monkey9 wrote: »

See what differently?? It was a red card, no Liverpool fan is disputing this.

You're making up an arguement that isn't there and arguing with yourself.

Did u bother reading what my post was n reply to?

And I have seen posts here and have had texts from pool fans justifying bad Liverpool tackles with rafaels poor tackle. When you suck lemons long enough you can't taste much else.

stevoslice · 06-03-2011 07:09PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta4gmQuVwz4

It was a badly timed challenge by carragher alright, and he was lucky not to be sent off, but he was definitely going for the ball imo. On Nani's side, for a guy that was supposedly seriously hurt, it was a bit of a keystone cops dive after he got up.

PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

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